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Architecture Council/Meetings/November 12 2015

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday Nov 12, 2015 at 1100 Ottawa
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All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Wenbin He
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
Eclipse: Mike Wilson Dani Megert
Modeling: Ed Merks Eike Stepper
Mylyn: Steffen Pingel Mik Kersten
RT: Christian Campo Ian Bull
SOA: Adrian Mos Marc Dutoo
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
WTP: David Williams Neil Hauge

All Attendees

  • In attendance: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Konstantin Kommisarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, David Williams, Krum Tsvetkov
  • Regrets: Neil Hauge, Pascal Rapicault, Lars Vogel

Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

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Denis: User Storage Service

  • Based on Oomph "Preference Sharing", support putting Preferences on Eclipse Servers
  • REST-Enabled, targeting Mars.2; Oomph initially but goal to give out more widely eventually
  • Using the Eclipse Secure Storage model
  • Will inform AC + a wider community as soon as V1 is committed and a staging server is available (should be very soon)
    • Marcel interested in sharing simple things like username, E-Mail
    • Wayne got good feedback on related talk at Java1

Wayne: EDP 2015 Update

  • Tracked via a couple Bugzilla eg bug 463857 as root bug
    • Opening up more to infrastructure like Github
    • Changes have been approved by the Board of Directors
  • bug 481703 Do we require the projects to use build infrastructure ?
    • Today, we require the Downloads to be hosted on ; we do not require the builds to run on hardware
    • Marcel: Travis integrates nicely with Github, so forcing EMO would just be another pain point without too much value
    • Kosta: It's a problem if access to the Build Hardware is not possible for all committers, and if EMO can't intervene (in case the project becomes inactive)
    • David: Forcing EMO hardware would be a barrier for new projects to join Eclipse
  • Removed the "Two Mentor requirement" for new projects, replaced by an "" mailing list
    • Auto-subscribe all AC members auto-subscribed along with all new project committers
    • Opt-out process
    • The idea is that most questions will be generic about process rather than specific; have the ML act as a 2nd mentor
    • AI Wayne post on the AC mailing list before taking action

Wayne: FEEP Process

  • Initial but we need more
  • 12 bugs open already, prefixed with FEEP on the AC Bugzilla:
  • AI AC Members please discuss how to prioritize, start acting
  • Marcel thinks that some requests have a too large scope for FEEP eg "Editor Autosave" may take weeks or months ?
    • Is fixing bugs more important than anything else ?
    • Dani: "Editor Autosave" discussion is going in a direction where he doesn't want to spend committer resources ...
      • Was intended as a crash recovery mechanism
  • Marcel: Voting on Bugzilla isn't transparent ... would prefer something like a Google Doc
  • David: Would like to see some criteria eg size of the effort, # users affected, ...
  • AI Marcel provide an initial spreadsheet and send to the mailinglist to get this started, ranking within the next 5 days

Denis: Infrastructure

  • Added 4 HIPP servers recently - projects tend to prefer faster processors over more cores
  • Github Issues vs. Bugzilla discussion
    • Starting with a simple one-way "Save" such that we can continue in case something happens to GH
    • Not going to do a full sync, especially not a 2-way sync - Doug agrees

Marcel: Mars.Rolling Stream

  • David: Still on the Planning Council Agenda but not discussed in any detail yet
  • Doug: The question was more about "how to get updates / emergency fixes" out
    • Doug pushed 13 updates since the inception of CDT - thinks that supporting "Check for Updates" to fix bugs is really important (weigh out any risks) - Projects should enable their update sites
  • Kosta: Update Sites pointing to new functionality makes it very unclear what one gets
    • Today, it's almost impossible for anyone outside to produce a distribution with controlled update streams...
  • Doug: In the end it boils down to the projects - Nobody stepped up to execute on Kosta's proposal
  • Alex: Having update sites is valuable, should not instruct projects to stop doing that
  • AI Kosta dig up the original thread and resend

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