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DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 26-Mar-2008

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Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.


  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, (Kevin Doyle n/a)
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, (Uwe Stieber n/a), (Eugene Tarassov n/a)
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).


EclipseCon 2008 in a Nutshell

  • Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
  • DSDP and TM stuff:
    • TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
    • TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
    • Blog Post about TCF
    • CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
    • DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
    • RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
  • Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - though the EMO likes to see things positive. Still, the facts are: no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
  • Eclipse 4.0 aka E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
    • In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
  • Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
  • Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
  • Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
  • Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
  • Most funny EclipseCon stuff: Vista SP1 Features, How to get IP approved quicly, the most awsome guy at Eclipse and its Fake, stuff from the Fake Steve Jobs blog

M6 Focus

  • M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
  • Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
  • NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6 - AI Javier, DaveM
  • Unit Tests - next priority after API
  • Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
  • Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
    • No action item for us right now, Martin will adopt after M6

Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches

  • bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog AI Rupen merge again, AI DaveM apply patch soon
  • bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
  • bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
    • Michael: we should probably help them making their Job easier by providing API for programmatic terminal connection
  • See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached

Bug Discussions

  • bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI Martin to ask Dave if questions - idea is an IAdaptable to adapt the Wizard Pages into something consumable in non-UI for configuring subsystems, e.g. Property Sets
  • bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - will keep as-is at DataStore.8.0.0 for now, doing protocol handshake after Ganymede. AI DaveM create a new bug for the protocol handshake assign to Future
    • Waiting for Code Contribution from another team - AI DaveM make them contribute real soon
    • Martin: Will not accept any new feature into M6 after this Friday. After M6, API changes are subject to discussion, nobody has a right to change API so in the worst case they may have missed the train and need to fork off their private branch of RSE / DStore.
  • bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
  • bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter - AI DaveM ask reporters
  • bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local - AI DaveM think about
  • bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - not for M6.
    • DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?

Committer Status and Report

  • Javier leaving Symbian, going to work in Barcelona - will remain involved with DSDP; somebody else from Symbian to take over
    • Fix NLS issues AI Javier
    • bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands AI Javier
    • Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
  • DaveD
    • bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - not for M6 - AI All comment on the bug
    • bug 189274 Import/export connections internal but TBD for M6
  • DaveM: -
    • bug 222404 Associate property sets with RSE objects and keep those associated in the event of a rename or move - an interesting feature in exchange for events - DaveD: Looks interesting but need to look at closely; Martin - should do Events suggestion for now; maybe could use an adapter factory for data payload, but need more investigation
    • EFS and encodings - No response from platform - off our radar for now
  • Kevin: -
  • Xuan: - Will only have time for PropertyFileAdapter stuff: Property adapters for User actions -- will need some NLS changes
    • Compile Commands Problem: Key in property sets is case insensitive in hashmap
    • IPZilla: Getting only notifications for WinCE - Martin: Commons Net 1.5 not yet filed, JSch-0.1.37 is approved and in Platform M6
  • Martin: - bug 215301 New project plan format -- Need to put Project Plan on the Web; AI Martin written ramp-down plan; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
    • Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and
    • JSch-0.1.37 done in Platform M6, Commons.Net 1.5.0 not yet released - AI Martin create placeholder CQ
    • Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
    • bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: - Merging multi-copy & rename
  • Michael: -
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

  • Martin in SFO Apr 14-18 for ESC and PluginFest
  • DaveD probably taking some time off

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: Review bug 217894 subsystem configuration families
  • Rupen: Merge bug 210682 multi-copy patch
  • DaveD: Finish profile import/export; Update bug 221211 IFileService multi-commands Javadoc
  • DaveM: NLS fixes in; contact IBM teams for bug 220892 new dstore features, and bug 220379 DStoreFileService API; apply Rupen's patch; think about bug 216252 SystemMessages global vs. local message ID; create a new "Future" bug for dstore protocol handshake, cloned from bug 220892
  • Xuan: Finish PropertyFileAdapter stuff; Use Kevin's Properties for Unit Tests
  • Kevin: Website Updates
  • Martin: New Project Plan; Ganymede Rampdown Plan; Commons Net Placeholder CQ; UI/Non-UI Splitting; finish new releng; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
  • Javier: NLS fixes in discovery and FTP; bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
  • Michael: Terminal improvements

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