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DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 20-Feb-2007

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Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Tuesday Feb 20, 2007 at 1700 UTC
Dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588
North America +1 (866) 6161738 (toll free)
UK National 08712460713
Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype fallback dial-in - only if less than 5 participants: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.


  • IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Kushal Munir
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orús
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Ted Williams

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).


  • Our top goals
    • Grow the Communities - active users and adopters --> tutorial, docs, mailinglist help: being responsive
    • Get the APIs Right --> enable public API discussion --> ISV docs, Wiki API discussion, [api] bugzilla's
    • Get our Processes in place --> JUnit, nightly builds, infocenter, update site

Latest News

Martin 50% Making stuff internal, preparing testing 100%
DaveD 80% UI/Non-UI refactorings 50%
DaveM 50% IContextObject for SystemView, SystemView bugs 60%
Kushal 100% Encodings, Streams for IFileService, EFS, SystemRegistry improvements for SD 70%
Javier 50% SD improvements, making FTP internal 50%
Ted 0% 0%
Uwe 100% dynamic systemTypes, newConnectionWizard extension point 90%
Michael 20% making Terminal internal, Terminal performance 20%

Upcoming Work

  • Top priority this week is getting M5 stable.
    • TM 2.0 M5 Testing
    • New build on I20070220-1126
      • New wizard problems fixed
      • Please test thoroughly today!
    • We'll have more I-builds at least once every day until M5. But lets find the issues first before we start fixing minor ones
    • Invest 2-3 hours of testing before starting the bugfix cycle
  • Current plan items and API things:
    • Changes in Platform M5 and M6:
      • Official API for ssh prefs
      • ssh now part of cvs feature
      • Helpserver changed, Userdocs not accessible right now; DaveD will check
    • (Bugzilla#173772) RSE New Connection Wizard Rework
    • 170909 (DaveD) User Actions & Import/Export
      • Attached on bugzilla; AI Martin will upload refactored version after M5
      • No need to rush anything into bugzilla, DaveD to work with Kushal on finishing the contribution
    • 170923 (DaveD) UI/Non-UI splitting
      • Preferences finished, these were the hardest; more stuff to do - DaveD really wants to get it done soon after M5
    • 170627 (DaveM) ISystemFilter in SystemViewElementAdapter.getChildren()
      • DaveM wants to get rid of the FilterString stuff in IRemoteFile now that IContextObject works
      • getImageDescriptor, getLabel should also get the context
      • more to do to get closer aligned with Platform (bugzilla bug exists)
    • 170922 (DaveM, Martin) Making as much as possible "internal": SystemView, SystemFilterReferenceAdapter, Subsystem Impls
      • What should be the recommended way of re-using existing subsystems against a new systemType
      • Registering FTP or ssh against Windows will not be case insensitive; roots, drives etc are all unix-style
      • DaveM: Dstore overrides SubSystemConfiguration for Windows in order to provide different filters etc; The SubsystemConfiguration defines the filters etc
      • If we make SubsystemConfiguration public, we'll also need to make stuff API that is being returned; probably make some methods final that return non-API interfaces
      • What people win: createDefaultFilterPools(), isCaseSensitive(), for UDA it might also be important
      • Decision: make the SubSystemConfigurations API again for M5, AI Martin make it API
      • Kushal: API Scanner? - Martin: too early to use yet, do it for M6
    • 170915 (DaveM) Getting rid of Platform "internal" access
      • AI Martin fix the ISV docs
    • 163820 (Kushal) Encodings
      • Test cases? Manual Tests?
    • 170916 (Kushal) EFS
      • Oliver Hardt looking at it; Kushal prepared Streams for ftp, ssh
      • Kushal trying to fix it for M5
    • Martin & DaveM work on EclipseCon tutorial: fix bugs as needed
      • AI Martin write bug for preselection
    • 170832 (Martin) Read-only setting on ssh - what about using EFS on the back-end? (dstore doesnt do streams)
      • AI Martin: timestamp, ro-flags still TBD for ssh
    • add unit tests for all new or modified API

Other Stuff to Do

  • Reduce number of plugins (once UI/Non-UI separation is done, have e.g. ssh.core and ssh.ui but not more)
    • Prerequisite: need to be able and disable registered stuff; TBD through Capabilities
    • Move org.eclipse.rse.connectorservice.local into org.eclipse.rse.subsystems.core
    • org.eclipse.rse.subsystems.core (collapse files.core, processes.core, shells.core)
    • org.eclipse.rse.subsystems.dstore (collapse files.dstore, processes.dstore, shells.dstore)
    • Have it split up now in order to allow people "get what they need"; and as an example for ISVs "here's how to do your processes" - having stuff bundled together gives people the impression that they can't change it
  • Add Montavista shell processes subsystem
    • Martin wants to put it into processes.core
    • DaveM: confusing for people who want to use it
    • Would it be better to have a Process Service to interface with the Shell Service rather than doing a subsystem --> Allows to take the ProcessServiceSubsystem and choose which service to use
    • Decision: Put it into its own plugin but part of the core feature for now, think about consolidating plugins in next iteration
  • Other stuff
    • Orbit bundles to be added differently
    • Unittests to run every night
    • AI Martin Version Number Changes in plugins and features - any more to do?
    • Copyright Year Changes


  • Europa Requirements
    • (done) TM 2.0 Ramp down Plan for Europa
    • (done) Update features and include the words "end-user" and "extender"
    • Avoiding non-API from other projects
      • AI Martin create bugzilla against CDT
    • Update Wiki to explan whether SDK contains examples --> AI Martin wait for Platform and adapt
  • For bugs, see the bug process page (assigned to inbox, plan items, status new, hi-priority, API, open with patch, assigned to M5) -- pretty many right now
  • Update Copyright Year to 2007 if you happen to think about it
  • (done) Fix N-builds (second workspace, use Ted's scripts)
  • Please continue on Compiler Warnings
  • Change Requests
  • Vacations, Holidays etc.
    • DaveM, MichaelS, Martin, Javier coming to EclipseCon - DaveM flying in Sunday afternoon, staying at the Hyatt;
      • AI Martin arrange a committer meeting in addition to the BoF
    • DaveD going to Florida in February for a week
  • Free discussion -- feelings, comments, critics

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • DaveD - Filter testing, Fix User Docs; Remove RSE Performance Logging; Refactoring UI/Non-UI; Persistence; Bugzilla bug for User Actions Contribution until Jan.31st; Bugs & Unit tests;
  • DaveM - EclipseCon; Bugs & Unit tests
  • Kushal - EFS; Talk to DaveD re Comm Server; Bugs & Unit Tests
  • Martin - EclipseCon tutorial; Check r/o flags and timestamps for ssh; Commit Montavista contrib; Migrate build to Ted's scripts; Migrate to single-file-jar; Bugs & Unit Tests; Personal Interviews via Skype; Work on TM and RSE FAQ, improve Wiki and Website (how to contribute);
  • Javier - Make discovery internal; Improve SD; Bugs & Unit Tests
  • Ted -
  • Michael - Terminal Performance Improvements
  • Uwe - Retargetable actions, Improved Refresh

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