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DSDP/PMC/PMC Minutes 14Jun07



San Francisco (U.S.A. - California) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 6:00:00 AM UTC-7 hours PDT
Austin (U.S.A. - Texas) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 8:00:00 AM UTC-5 hours CDT
Boston (U.S.A. - Massachusetts) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 9:00:00 AM UTC-4 hours EDT
Salzburg (Austria) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 3:00:00 PM UTC+2 hour CEST
Helsinki (Finland) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 4:00:00 PM UTC+3 hours EEST
Tokyo (Japan) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 10:00:00 PM UTC+9 hours
Corresponding UTC (GMT) Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 13:00:00 UTC

World Clock

Dial-in Info

  • US: 800-741-0846
  • International: 706-679-953
  • Passcode: 7817182169#

Invited Attendees

  • Mika Hoikkala
  • Martin Oberhuber (on vacation)
  • Shigeki Moride
  • Christian Kurzke
  • Mark Rogalski
  • Pawel Piech
  • Doug Gaff
  • As decided at our last PMC meeting at EclipseCon, projects leads are allowed to send designates.

New Business

  • Introductions - Pawel P
    • Working for WR for 7 years. Working for Doug for the past couple of years.
    • Summary of Pawel's plans for DD
  • MTJ project discussion
    • Mika
      • Main challenge: Resourcing - they've lost several of the folks that Nokia originally had on the MTJ project. Have had to use sub-contracting, and this is not working too well. Arto is coordinating them and collecting their bug fixes. Work is not being tracked in Bugzilla.
      • Other problems: How to be more transparent, especially with bugzilla.
      • EMF model generation discussion. Kevin hasn't been able to duplicate Arto's results. Arguments are escalating.
    • Christian
      • Moto is a natural fit for this project.
      • Using EclipseME right now. They don't feel that MTJ is addressing the same problems that EclipseME is. MTJ is focused on fragmentation, EclipseME is focused on UEI. The team at Mot would be a lot more comfortable joining MTJ if the project was more focused on getting a cleaned up EclipseME code base. Would like to see Craig Setera more involved in MTJ.
    • Mika: I can see the need to merge EclipseME and MTJ. Craig doesn't have as much time to contribute to this effort, though, and he's waiting for MTJ stabilization first. But Mika is very interested in seeing Motorola's needs met by the project.
    • Christian: Eric Hildum would be a good candidate to get more active on the MTJ project. Now is a good time for him to engage. AI: Eric to introduce himself and communicate what Mot needs. But Eric can't be full-time, unless Christian can get some commitment from Dino.
    • AI: Mika to call a meeting with the MTJ team to discuss all of these issues. Mika to review the Eclipse development process withthe MTJ team. Mika to guide the regular MTJ meetings for the time being.
    • Doug
      • See my email.
      • Fundamental challenge in understanding the Eclipse development process. Transparency and openness are the biggest issues.
      • Really need an engaged project lead like Petri used to be.
    • Mika: yes, I complete agree. Right now, there is no one available in Nokia to do this. Very open to having this role come from another company. Ok with Moto taking a more active role in leadership.
    • Christian: I will talk to Dino today to try to get Eric on a more long-term assignment.
    • Christian: we need to start pragmatically and get something like EclipseME out first, then expand into more of the additional capabilities of MTJ.
  • TmL project progress discussion
    • TmL has staffing issues, too. Met with Mike M. We are still very committed. We've gotten approval to commit to MTJ, but as I've said, we need to get EclipseME on the roadmap.
    • Member committer agreement - they have a precedent for Eclipse committers from eRCP. Hoping this will finally be the catalyst to get the agreement signed.
  • Eclipse Summit Europe
    • October 9-11, 2007
    • Submissions due June 29
    • Program Committee requests of DSDP
      • They want embedded and mobile content
      • They want the updates from the DSDP projects, just as we did last year, but now with more time / talk
      • They are looking for 'cool demos', either open or commercial based on our technology
      • They also want to conduct one or two 'embedded symposia' or 'working groups' again. They are struggling with themes for them and are looking for suggestions.
    • TmL - cannot attend.
    • MTJ - cannot attend, Mika will follow up with Kevin on attending and doing demo.
    • Shigeki - cannot attend.
    • eRCP - Gorkem will submit a talk and emo.
    • TM - Thinks Michael can go.
    • DD - Pawel will submit a talk proposal.
    • Doug - may submit an overall talk proposal.
    • Everyone: email dsdp-pmc-dev after you've submitted a proposal.
    • Symposia ideas
      • What does the mobile development community need from Eclipse? NetBeans vs. MTJ - but project is not in a state that makes sense.
      • Everyone: symposia ideas

Old Business

  • General stuff
    • Mark going to OpenSource in Mobile in September in Madrid - will present eRCP, but also some information on DSDP. 25 minute talk. Also asked him to participate in a panel.
    • NAB: Feedback comes from WS community, which is why dev list is so quiet. All feedback is in Japanese. Bugzilla can't work because interface is in English, which is a problem. Doug to follow up with Bjorn and Denis
    • DSDP Website - dynamic content
    • eclipse.dsdp Newsgroup - dynamic content
    • DSDP Info center
      • Instructions
      • eRCP, NAB, MTJ?
      • AI: eRCP - work on posting info center docs after 1.0 release
    • My Foundation Portal (coming soon)
  • Discussion about PMC participation
    • Doug's goals for the PMC
      • Mentoring! Help each other on processes, community building, etc.
      • Discuss and work on community growth for each project
      • Align plans and get on the next Eclipse train
      • Coordinated press activity and conference activity
      • Generate more dynamic content for website, newsgroups, blogs
      • Common usage of the virtual server for documentation
    • Other's goals?
      • What do you want to get out of the PMC?
        • Martin: Doug should kick people to communicate, keep websites up-to-date, etc. Sometimes they need a kick, and he thinks its a good idea.
        • Mark, Shigeki: Agrees with this list.
        • Christian: Mentoring is especially important to him. Worried about burdening the group.
        • Doug: Everyone should subscribe to the dsdp-pmc mailing list. Anyone should feel comfortable asking questions, making comments, reporting on issues. We should also spend more time sharing our project challenges with the group so that others can learn. We should also help each other out with networking, e.g. when a project needs a technical contribution in a particular area, we should tell the PMC about it. Perhaps another company has a strategic interest in the technology and might be able to help out.
      • What are your time constraints?
        • The monthly meetings are fine.
        • Some folks have trouble keeping up with the website or getting material on the help server. This will hopefully change soon.
        • The PMC agreed that it's ok for the project lead to send a designated representative to ensure that each project has representation at the PMC meeting.
    • Keeping websites up to date
      • When Rauno's commit rights come through, MTJ will be able to update. Most other projects believe they are compliant.

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