Logistics
Meeting Title:
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Planning Council Conference Call
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Date & Time:
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Wednesday, September 2, 2015, at 1200 Noon Eastern
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Dial in:
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(See Asterisk service for complete details on SIP, potential new numbers, phone mute commands, etc.)
Phone Numbers: (Check Asterisk/Numbers for more or current phone numbers.)
- For all phone lines: Participant conference extension: 710 then enter pin 35498
- Ottawa (local call in Ottawa) 1-613-454-1403
- North America (toll free) 1-866-569-4992
- Germany (local call anywhere in Germany) +49-692-2224-6059
- France (local call anywhere in France) +33-17-070-8535
- UK (toll free) 0800-033-7806
- Switzerland (local call anywhere in Switzerland) +41-44-580-2115
- call 710@asterisk.eclipse.org, then enter pin 35498.
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Members and Attendees
PMC (and Strategic) Reps
John Arthorne (occasional)
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Cloud (PMC)
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Chris Aniszczyk
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Technology (PMC)
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Dani Megert
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Eclipse (PMC)
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Y
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Steffen Pingel (Sam Davis)
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Mylyn (ALM) PMC
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D
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Brian Payton
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Datatools (PMC)
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Doug Schaefer
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Tools (PMC)
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Y
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Adrian Mos (Marc Dutoo )
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SOA (PMC)
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Ed Merks
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Modeling (PMC)
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Ian Bull
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Rt (PMC)
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Y
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Chuck Bridgham
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WTP (PMC)
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Wayne Beaton
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Eclipse Foundation (appointed)
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Y
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David Williams
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(appointed Chair)
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Y
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Strategic Reps
Nick Boldt
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Redhat (Strategic Developer)
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Y
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Remi Schnekenburger
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CEA List (Strategic Developer)
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Cedric Brun
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OBEO (Strategic Developer)
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Neil Hauge
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Oracle (Strategic Developer)
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Stephan Merker
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SAP AG (Strategic Developer)
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Markus Knauer
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Innoopract (Strategic Developer)
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Y?
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Rajeev Dayal
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Google (Strategic Developer)
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(PMC rep)
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Actuate (Strategic Developer)
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X
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(PMC rep)
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IBM (Strategic Developer)
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X
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Inactive
[no name]
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CA Inc. (Strategic Consumer)
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X
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[no name]
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Birt (PMC)
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X
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Note: "Inactive" refers to Strategic Members or PMCs we have not heard from for a while, and have been unable to convince to participate. Those members can become active again at any time. Contact David Williams if questions.
Note: feel free to correct any errors/omissions in above attendance record.
Y = Yes, attended
N = No, did not
R = regrets sent ahead of time
D = delegated
X = not expected
Announcements
Previous meeting minutes
- Review previous meeting minutes if you'd like. That is, review them before meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.
Mars Planning
- How is the "minor releases" in Mars.1 update going?
- - From the little I've seen, no radical change, but some change.
- - Some just being "more honest" about it (that's good).
- - Have seen the issue where changing "provisional API" to "API" is reason for the minor bump
- But, this can be "breaking" for anyone who was trying to use the provisional API (depending).
- Should we give any guidance in this area?
- - Have seen where "new features" would break translations.
- Should we give any guidance in this area?
- - I see where WTP is adding a "controversial" feature (but, just controversial "if its ready").
- That is, nothing violates Planning Council rules.
Neon Planning
- * - See "design" wiki page, which acts as centralized place to document the main ideas and plans.
- * - Rough scheduling alternatives ... what do we want to accomplish?
- * Current
- - June (3) September (5) February [(4) June]
- * Current plus one (equally spaced)
- - June (3) September (3) December (3) March [(3) June]
- Advantage; similar to current
- Disadvantage: hard and bad to release in (mid) December?
- * Equally spaced (based on May): (Similar to Doug's proposal?)
- - May, (3) August, (3) November, (3) February [(3) May]
- Advantages: predictable; each roughly 2, 6 week milestones
- Disadvantage: arbitrary?
- have to work around Thanksgiving holiday
- * quick plus long
- - June, (2) August, (5) January, (2) March [(3) June]
- Advantage: can have quick "service" after main releases,
- those features/projects that "just barely missed" main release points (June and January) won't have long to wait.
- Disadvantage: does not easily map to 6 week milestones
- still has as long period (5 months) of "no releases"
- but, that long period can be good for committers -- to have long period to focus on one stream.
- * In "signing section", I would like to add that jars that are already signed, must not be re-signed.
- It messes up pack200 "conditioning"
New Business
Next Meeting
- October 7, 2015 - Regular First Wednesday Meeting
Reference
- 2013 EclipseCon face-to-face follow-through action items. For original meeting notes, see Planning_Council/March_24_2013 and for discussion leading to action items, see Planning_Council/April_10_2013. For last status update, see Planning_Council/May_8_2013.
- Mars Wiki page
- Planning Council Members
- Simultaneous Release Roles and Simultaneous Release Roles/EMO