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Architecture Council/Meetings/March 12 2009
Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
Date & Time: | Thursday March 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1200 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML | iCal |
Dial-in: | (+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440# |
Contents
Attendees
- Use the Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: | |
Gary Xue |
DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
DSDP: | |
Martin Oberhuber |
Eclipse: | |
Mike Wilson |
Modeling: | |
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RT: | |
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STP: | Oisin Hurley | |
Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
Tools: | |
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TPTP: | Eugene Chan | |
WTP: | |
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- Signed-up: John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Neil Hauge, Markus Knauer, Bernd Kolb, Andrew Overholt, Michael Scharf, Mark VandenBrink
- Regrets: Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Mary Ruddy, Darin Swanson, Gunnar Wagenknecht
- No-Show: David Carver, Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Tim deBoer, Naci Dai, Sven Efftinge, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Mik Kersten, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, David Williams, Darin Wright
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009
- Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
- AC Wiki: aren't we done?
- IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only
- Action Items
- [Image:Ok_green.gif] Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
- [Image:Ok_green.gif] Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
- (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
- (old) All PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by filing an AC bug)
- Everyone review/edit the various Architecture Council wiki pages, particularly the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel/FAQ and Architecture Council/Links Collection. Add questions to the FAQ.
- New Category markup allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
- Better organize the AC homepage: collect feedback... AI Dave send links to other Wiki pages for review to check which ones we might want to emulate, also, everyone can make suggestions / create mock-up pages for review.
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
Administrative
- PMC Representation on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
- Backup still required for Tools PMC
- Modeling: Cedric
News from the EMO & Councils
- Anything?
New Topics
- EclipseCon - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
- Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
- This is a big chance to really move forward
- AI Everyone review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
- Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
- AI Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
- Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
- McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 meeting?
- Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
- McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?
- Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice
- bug 257706 news on git
- MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
- Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF
- Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; perhaps not developing features as rapidly as some would like because of Jgit vs. just relying on command-line tool (but this is required for multi-OS support)
- Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
- Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
- In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
- git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
- IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
- 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
- Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
- We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
- Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
- How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices
Old items
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
Action Items
- AC Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Everyone add to the Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 agenda