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| − | == | + | == Attendees == |
| − | * Wind River - | + | |
| − | * IBM - Dave | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Ted Williams, Michael Scharf |
| − | + | * IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal | |
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* Symbian - Javier Montalvo | * Symbian - Javier Montalvo | ||
| − | + | * Motorola - Christian Kurzke, Ruth Soliani, Maureen Brenner | |
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| − | * Motorola - Christian Kurzke | + | |
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| − | + | == Agenda == | |
| − | == | + | === Recent Download Statistics === |
| − | = | + | {|border="1" |
| + | |+ RSE 1.0 Download statistics as per 7-Nov-2006 | ||
| + | ! Component !! M4 !! M5 !! RC1 !! RC2 !! RC3 !! RC4 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | ! Date !! 18-Aug !! 22-Sep !! 08-Oct !! 20-Oct !! 30-Oct !! 03-Nov | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | RSE-SDK || 4 || 38 || 164 || 177 || 113 || 68 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | rseserver-windows || 1 || 11 || 70 || 62 || 24 || 34 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | rseserver-linux || 1 || 6 || 39 || 28 || 19 || 9 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | rse.core (Update Site) || || || 66 || 46 || 72 || 28 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | ! Total !! !! !! 230 !! 223 !! 185 !! | ||
| + | |} | ||
| − | * Update on RSE Status | + | * Download Statistics Analysis |
| − | * | + | ** RC1 was just after the "getting mature" blog (18-Sep) |
| − | + | ** RC2 was just after the "release test" blog (11-Oct); also, 20-Oct was the originally planned release date | |
| − | + | ** Most people still prefer the SDK, although the update site is gaining momentum | |
| − | + | *** On the update site, 60% get the .jar.pack.gz but 40 % get the .jar file | |
| − | + | ** Looking at RC1, Grouping by country is: | |
| − | + | *** RSE-SDK: Germany=38, China=26, US=25, France=10, Canada=8, Turkey=7, Austria=6 | |
| − | + | *** Update Site: US=23, France=10, Sweden=4, Austria=3 China=3, Denkmark=3, Germany=3, Italy=3 | |
| − | ** | + | *** rseserver: Germany=20, US=19, China=7, France=6, Belgium=6 |
| − | ** | + | |
| − | * | + | === Update on RSE Status === |
| − | *** | + | * All blockers towards RSE 1.0 resolved finally - about files review finally done by emo |
| − | ** | + | * New TM FAQ on [[TM and RSE FAQ]] |
| − | ** ' | + | * [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/plan.php Project Plan] status |
| − | + | ** CDT Launcher now works on dstore as well | |
| − | *** Questions? Requests? | + | ** Jakarta commons-net - working fine for FTP |
| − | + | ** JUnit tests - due to slow legal approval, we now have a framework but no tests yet | |
| − | ** Please fill in [[RSE 2.0 Planning]] | + | ** Going to join Europa Simultaneous Release |
| − | + | * Comments regarding the 1.0 release? | |
| + | ** Great work - using RSE almost daily (Michael Scharf) | ||
| + | |||
| + | ==== Documentation: Which are the best places to start with? ==== | ||
| + | * [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.rse.doc.isv/guide/rse_int.html RSE Developer Docs] | ||
| + | * From the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/tutorial/index.php TM Getting Started] page: [http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/dsdp/tm/presentations/2006-9-29_SummitEurope_TMOverview.pdf Eclipse Summit Europe Architecture Overview Slides] | ||
| + | ** From the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/doc/index.php Developer Docs]: [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/meetingnotes/ff01_chicago/DSDPTM_Brainstorming_2005-10-14.htm Chicago Meeting Brainstorming Notes], [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/meetingnotes/ff01_chicago/DSDPTM_Overview.ppt Chicago Meeting Overview Slides] | ||
| + | ** [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/doc/DSDPTM_Use_Cases_v1.1c.pdf Use Cases document] (old now but still up-to-date -- everybody agreed that this is where we want to get to) | ||
| + | ** Upcoming Tutorial for EclipseCon2007 | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Motorola - Christian Kurzke === | ||
| + | * Dev.environment for all Motorola hardware, going Eclipse now (also new TmL project) | ||
| + | ** Interested in contributing towards version 2: bring requirements to the table, TM for cellphones, embedded settop boxes | ||
| + | ** Looks like there is a lot of existing support for Linux workstations; new requirements coming for "bare metal" stuff; Motorola's requirements are somewhere in the middle | ||
| + | *** Maureen to get in closer touch technically | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Community's most wanted - who's working on what? === | ||
| + | * [http://eclipse-plugins.info/eclipse/plugin_details.jsp?id=1392 Wicked Shell] | ||
| + | * WR Terminalview: Michael Scharf currently heavily refactoring this, such that connection can be exchanged; hopes to be finished in the next few days --> FAQ | ||
| + | * There is usage for both commandview (line-based text output) and terminalview | ||
| + | * Plans to extend RSE more to the target? (native agent) FAQ | ||
| + | ** Until recently, the strategy was that companies already have proprietary agents, and they'd write extensions to RSE that integrates with the existing proprietary agent | ||
| + | ** There seems to be field demand for an Open Source agent solution; TPTP already has a Framework for agents; might investigate an integration of RSE with the TPTP agent in the future, rather than developing yet another agent. Symbian thinks about adding this to RSE 2.0 | ||
| + | ** TPTP is C++, which might be a problem on some very small devices; but Motorola to look at it | ||
| + | ** Motorola has proprietarty C-based agent now; want an agent framework that can be extended, such that agent extensions (modules) can be downloaded | ||
| + | ** Writing a native C implementation of the DStore agent might also be an option | ||
| + | ** Christian wrote something like an OSGi framework in native code for dynamic loading of modules, might be an interesting starting point | ||
| + | * Questions? Requests? | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Communications === | ||
| + | * After 1.0, committers will have a 6-week phase of maintenance, doc update, polishing etc. culminating in RSE 1.0.1 mid december; gives time to work on themes and priorities for RSE 2.0 | ||
| + | * Please fill in [[RSE 2.0 Planning]] - your "wishlist" | ||
| + | * Collaborations with other projects (Platform/Team, PTP, CDT, TPTP, WTP, ECF, Aperi, g-Eclipse) | ||
| + | ** Martin wants Platform/Team to get ssh2 preference page under category "Connections" | ||
| + | ** Javier in contact with ECF for service discovery | ||
| + | ** Michael: DD project has new views for async updates of trees; might be a better view for the RSE tree | ||
* Technology sub-groups | * Technology sub-groups | ||
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| − | |||
** Update on [[DSDP/TM/Autodetect|Autodetect]] (Javier) | ** Update on [[DSDP/TM/Autodetect|Autodetect]] (Javier) | ||
| − | * | + | *** Currently no plans to extend discovery beyond what's already there; waiting for community input |
| − | ** | + | * What's the preferred way of communicating - newsgroup or dev-mailing list? |
| + | ** The newsgroup is not very active, we are using the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dsdp-tm-dev dsdp-tm-dev list] for most communications (probably because most users are also interested in contributing) | ||
== Action Items to Review == | == Action Items to Review == | ||
* Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 4-Oct-2006]] | * Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 4-Oct-2006]] | ||
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== New Action Items == | == New Action Items == | ||
| + | * Everybody - Get latest RSE I-builds ([http://download.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/ download page]), sanity-check ([[RSE 1.0 Test Instructions]] page) and verify late bug fixes ([https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=FIXED&resolution=INVALID&resolution=WONTFIX&resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=WORKSFORME&chfieldfrom=7d&chfieldto=Now&chfield=resolution&cmdtype=doit Bugzilla: RSE bugs fixed last week]) | ||
| + | * Everybody - Review and edit the [[RSE 2.0 Planning]] page | ||
| + | * Maureen to try RSE, review docs, and get in contact with the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/dsdp-tm-dev dsdp-tm-dev list] (probably setup a 1-on-1 talk) | ||
| + | * Christian to look at options for Open Remote Agents (TPTP and others) | ||
| + | * Martin - add FAQ items for Commandview vs. Terminal, Remote Native Agents | ||
* DaveD - begin EMO review submission for SSH/Processes patch from MontaVista | * DaveD - begin EMO review submission for SSH/Processes patch from MontaVista | ||
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Dec-2006]] (Wednesday, 4 weeks) | * Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Dec-2006]] (Wednesday, 4 weeks) | ||
Latest revision as of 14:18, 8 November 2006
Dial-in numbers and passcodes have changed for this call only. We'll revert to our regular numbers next month.
| Meeting Title: | Conference Call on Target Management |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday November 8, 2006 at 1700 UTC / 9am PST |
| International Dial-in | +1 314 655 1411 |
| North American Dial-In | +1 877 422 0035 |
| Passcode: | 764918# |
Attendees
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Ted Williams, Michael Scharf
- IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo
- Motorola - Christian Kurzke, Ruth Soliani, Maureen Brenner
Agenda
Recent Download Statistics
| Component | M4 | M5 | RC1 | RC2 | RC3 | RC4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Date | 18-Aug | 22-Sep | 08-Oct | 20-Oct | 30-Oct | 03-Nov |
| RSE-SDK | 4 | 38 | 164 | 177 | 113 | 68 |
| rseserver-windows | 1 | 11 | 70 | 62 | 24 | 34 |
| rseserver-linux | 1 | 6 | 39 | 28 | 19 | 9 |
| rse.core (Update Site) | 66 | 46 | 72 | 28 | ||
| Total | 230 | 223 | 185 |
- Download Statistics Analysis
- RC1 was just after the "getting mature" blog (18-Sep)
- RC2 was just after the "release test" blog (11-Oct); also, 20-Oct was the originally planned release date
- Most people still prefer the SDK, although the update site is gaining momentum
- On the update site, 60% get the .jar.pack.gz but 40 % get the .jar file
- Looking at RC1, Grouping by country is:
- RSE-SDK: Germany=38, China=26, US=25, France=10, Canada=8, Turkey=7, Austria=6
- Update Site: US=23, France=10, Sweden=4, Austria=3 China=3, Denkmark=3, Germany=3, Italy=3
- rseserver: Germany=20, US=19, China=7, France=6, Belgium=6
Update on RSE Status
- All blockers towards RSE 1.0 resolved finally - about files review finally done by emo
- New TM FAQ on TM and RSE FAQ
- Project Plan status
- CDT Launcher now works on dstore as well
- Jakarta commons-net - working fine for FTP
- JUnit tests - due to slow legal approval, we now have a framework but no tests yet
- Going to join Europa Simultaneous Release
- Comments regarding the 1.0 release?
- Great work - using RSE almost daily (Michael Scharf)
Documentation: Which are the best places to start with?
- RSE Developer Docs
- From the TM Getting Started page: Eclipse Summit Europe Architecture Overview Slides
- From the Developer Docs: Chicago Meeting Brainstorming Notes, Chicago Meeting Overview Slides
- Use Cases document (old now but still up-to-date -- everybody agreed that this is where we want to get to)
- Upcoming Tutorial for EclipseCon2007
Motorola - Christian Kurzke
- Dev.environment for all Motorola hardware, going Eclipse now (also new TmL project)
- Interested in contributing towards version 2: bring requirements to the table, TM for cellphones, embedded settop boxes
- Looks like there is a lot of existing support for Linux workstations; new requirements coming for "bare metal" stuff; Motorola's requirements are somewhere in the middle
- Maureen to get in closer touch technically
Community's most wanted - who's working on what?
- Wicked Shell
- WR Terminalview: Michael Scharf currently heavily refactoring this, such that connection can be exchanged; hopes to be finished in the next few days --> FAQ
- There is usage for both commandview (line-based text output) and terminalview
- Plans to extend RSE more to the target? (native agent) FAQ
- Until recently, the strategy was that companies already have proprietary agents, and they'd write extensions to RSE that integrates with the existing proprietary agent
- There seems to be field demand for an Open Source agent solution; TPTP already has a Framework for agents; might investigate an integration of RSE with the TPTP agent in the future, rather than developing yet another agent. Symbian thinks about adding this to RSE 2.0
- TPTP is C++, which might be a problem on some very small devices; but Motorola to look at it
- Motorola has proprietarty C-based agent now; want an agent framework that can be extended, such that agent extensions (modules) can be downloaded
- Writing a native C implementation of the DStore agent might also be an option
- Christian wrote something like an OSGi framework in native code for dynamic loading of modules, might be an interesting starting point
- Questions? Requests?
Communications
- After 1.0, committers will have a 6-week phase of maintenance, doc update, polishing etc. culminating in RSE 1.0.1 mid december; gives time to work on themes and priorities for RSE 2.0
- Please fill in RSE 2.0 Planning - your "wishlist"
- Collaborations with other projects (Platform/Team, PTP, CDT, TPTP, WTP, ECF, Aperi, g-Eclipse)
- Martin wants Platform/Team to get ssh2 preference page under category "Connections"
- Javier in contact with ECF for service discovery
- Michael: DD project has new views for async updates of trees; might be a better view for the RSE tree
- Technology sub-groups
- Update on Autodetect (Javier)
- Currently no plans to extend discovery beyond what's already there; waiting for community input
- Update on Autodetect (Javier)
- What's the preferred way of communicating - newsgroup or dev-mailing list?
- The newsgroup is not very active, we are using the dsdp-tm-dev list for most communications (probably because most users are also interested in contributing)
Action Items to Review
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 4-Oct-2006
New Action Items
- Everybody - Get latest RSE I-builds (download page), sanity-check (RSE 1.0 Test Instructions page) and verify late bug fixes (Bugzilla: RSE bugs fixed last week)
- Everybody - Review and edit the RSE 2.0 Planning page
- Maureen to try RSE, review docs, and get in contact with the dsdp-tm-dev list (probably setup a 1-on-1 talk)
- Christian to look at options for Open Remote Agents (TPTP and others)
- Martin - add FAQ items for Commandview vs. Terminal, Remote Native Agents
- DaveD - begin EMO review submission for SSH/Processes patch from MontaVista
Next Meeting
- Next DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Dec-2006 (Wednesday, 4 weeks)