DSDP/Packaging/Meetings/Jan 26 2009

Attendees

• Wayne Parrot, Genuitec
• Eric Cloninger, Motorola
• Bob Frankel, TI
• Dave Russo, TI
• Doug Gaff, Wind River
• Martin Oberhuber, Wind River
• Doug Schaefer, Wind River

Notes

• Martin gives overview of what happened on Packaging so far
• Bob retiring from TI, doing own consultancy, increased on Universities (undergrads), what's being tought is too primitive (just flashing lights) - Eclipse/CDT is the IDE of choice
  • Challenge: Must be 100% turnkey, would also like a book or a course
  • TI still interested, willing to support any educational effort with (free) hardware
  • Interested in some sort of real-time Kernel (not Linux) - to run e.g. on TI 16-bit processor
  • Fears that if package tries to be "everything for everybody" it won't hit the spot.
  • TI has existing CDT-based (old) toolset for 16-bit processor, could that be the base? - Will be used for 4-hour RTSC tutorial; includes a hosted simulator (faster than the hardware)
• DougG: http://freertos.org
• Eric: From TmL point of view, requires 32-bit processor running Linux
  • No resources at this point
• Bob: BeagleBoard (150 USD)? - TI's OMAP device: http://beagleboard.org
• Wayne: FireFly (mobile web), appreciate real turnkey platform (for Java EE) WebKit, Opera, ...
  • Genuitec has technology for packaging, installers
  • Single package or separate package for mobile web?
  • Mobile web could be Firefly + WTP + some debugging (JavaScript) on the target
  • New kinds of apps that leverage the web; might eventually go for EPP package
  • Intersted in packaging in the long run, e.g. multiple TmL simulated devices
• Bob: Like kernel.org: Eclipse etc are just platforms - how to support individual entity to start a packaging (multiple vertically focused distros) - support other communities e.g. BeagleBoard
  • That's what we have today, nobody takes the initiative
  • distro-makers newsgroup?
• DougS: Wascana, p2 technology, could be re-used;
  • CDT cross-platform EclipseCon tutorial (QEMU in CDT, changing QEMU, Debian Linux)
  • Only intends to do ZIP files
  • Atmel has Eclipse toolchain to sell with their silicon: It's hard to be vendor neutral when talking about HW
• Dave Russo: RTSC to abstract the compiler toolchain
• Martin 3 flavors based on EclipseCon tutorials - do we just need to setup a website for people to download ZIP files? And call it the "package makers' project"

RTSC / TI ok with uploading stuff

• Doug CDT / Cross / QEMU: just wants to hand out DVDs, doesnt want to make his tutorial publicly available due to overhead/support cost - not interested in competing with Linux distro vendors
  • Doesn't see people contribute
  • Wascana going to download mingw directly from mingw site
• Why isn't there an Eclipse distro from BeagleBoard.org ?
  • Bob: TI / g-forge basd server?
• Dave: People are interested in single-source cross/native environment
  • Who could look at signing up for a site?

Action Items

• AI Bob to check for site until 3-4 weeks (want to be able to tell folks about site at EclipseCon)
• AI Dave to check for legal implications of redistributing RTSC tutorial
• AI Martin to schedule next meeting in approx 4 week's time