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== New Business ==
 
== New Business ==
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* AI review
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** RTSC provisioning - form filled out. Not sure about legal paperwork.
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** P3ML (no update)
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*** Last email: Philippe needs help getting it through legal.
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* NAB on train
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** Shigeki emailed cross projects.
 
* DSDP Incubator project
 
* DSDP Incubator project
 
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** Shigeki thinks it will be helpful to create one for training.
== Old Business ==
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** Martin thinks it's a good idea, and also incubator subs on the sub-projects would be good.
 
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** Pawel - how does this work? Can they do releases? Will they be responsible for infrastructure? Web page? Who will be the project lead of the incubator?
* General topics
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** Unanimous approval to create the incubator. '''Doug will start the process of creating a DSDP incubator and will build the initial website.'''
** Voting
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* Project Plans Schedule
*** Please register a link to your votes on the main PMC page.
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** First draft in [[Development_Resources/Project_Plan|new format]] due: by August meeting
*** Martin doesn't want to reproduce the portal. Doug noted that the portal doesn't give the PMC the ability to conduct full votes right now. For committer elections and contributions, only 1 PMC member is required. Since we have a policy of discussing these things across the PMC, we have to use the mailing list for this.
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** Final version: Sept 15
** '''All: (Done) Review revised development process: {{Bug|220871}} [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php Dev Process Link]'''
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** Roadmap generation: Sept 30
*** Martin and Pawel have looked. No one else has any comments.
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** '''All: Start working on your project plans. First version: Aug 7. Version ready for roadmap: Sept 15.'''
** '''All: (Done) Review standard project plan format discussion {{Bug|215301}}.''' First implementation in June.
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** Discussion
*** No comments. Martin thinks this will make things easier.
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*** Martin: TM plan is done. It's really easy to do, and you can copy it.
** From EclipseCon: Sourceforge (or other) package for embedded and mobile development – Eclipse and non-eclipse components. Perhaps a Cloudsmith solution could work. Cloudsmith is working on this now. '''Martin: Distribute notes on embedded/mobile package and start a wiki to track ideas.''' Link to cross projects [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg02319.html discussion].
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*** Dave - comments of plan changes.
** Inactive committers cleanup
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*** Pawel - DD is a release this year.
*** In progress on DD and TM. eRCP already done. No others required.
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*** Eric - sounds good. Timing works out.
** Search CVS
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*** Christian - we're confident that we're joining the train.
*** Here is a general description of [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Search_CVS SearchCVS]
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*** Shigeki - wants to follow an example.
*** Here is the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/searchcvs.php TM Page] to try it out live
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* ESE
*** Here are the notes about [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Releng_SVN_Support Subversion]
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** Uriel - eRCP/Expeditor/Titan
** Website maintenance
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** TM/TCF - Martin, Michael
*** Doug’s working on getting Eclipse PDT setup. '''Doug: write-up some instructions for using Eclipse PDT for website maintenance.'''
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** Debugging - Pawel
*** Dave needs to migrate an internal Media Wiki and some PHP to Eclipse. '''Dave: start a conversation with the webmasters about how to best migrate internal media wiki and php code to Eclipse servers.'''
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** MTJ - travel is not likely. '''Christian: Submit a talk and investigate a trip for ESE.'''
*** Eric may want commit rights on the main DSDP page at some point.
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** RTSC - dave is in a similar travel situation. '''Dave: Submit a talk and investigate a trip for ESE.'''
 
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** NAB - probably can't go.
* Project Updates (copied from last meeting so we can review the action items)
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* [[DSDP/Package|Packaging proposal]]
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** The wiki page has ideas, roadmap, initial steps, and initial package list.
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** Dave thinks it's a great idea. Dave would like to get RTSC into the package at some point in the future.
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** Words of support from Doug.
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* Project Updates
 
** DD
 
** DD
*** Ramping down for Ganymede. Basically in feature freeze at this point.
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*** Ganymede release! Still need to update the website.
*** Disasm view is last major feature to make DD 1.0 a full-featured debugger.
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*** Working on 1.1 release now. Non-stop multi-threading and multi-process debugging. WR is working on debugger view improvements.
** eRCP
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** eRCP (no update)
*** Developing new functionality for 1.2 release – on target for July.
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*** eRCP in OSGi standardization - approved at board.
*** In the case of Windows Mobile, there will be only partial support in 1.2.
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*** P3ML in eRCP - not getting critical mass.
*** S60 is still in progress, though. Need to talk to Gorkem.
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*** Made some progress on trying to get weekly builds done. Native builds are done. Java portions in progress. Uriel is talking to Ted today.
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*** eRCP in OSGi standardization.
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**** Ed Cobb is no longer on the Board.
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**** '''Mark: Follow up with Jeff McAfer to discuss Eclipse Board support for eRCP standardization.'''
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*** Terminal on eRCP - Mark commented on Bug {{Bug|168197}}.
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**** Martin will work on a scaled back version of terminal, perhaps as an example.
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*** P3ML in eRCP  
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**** Gorkem not really in favor of this. Feels like competition with eSWT. Doesn't want to confuse users with multiple application models.
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**** '''Mark: check in with Philippe on approval for P3ML in eRCP.'''
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**** We'll need to decide what to do after that.
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*** '''(done) Mark: follow up with Sprint and Prosyst on EPL redistribution requirements as discussed on PMC call.'''
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**** Done. They are aware, and they are trying to figure out how they will do it.
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** MTJ
 
** MTJ
*** Nightly build from two weeks ago put up. (Progress!!)
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*** Sybase has joined the project.
*** Working on legal feedback from Eclipse team on some of Craig’s code.
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*** Craig is actively contributing.
*** Want to release a real milestone build next.
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*** Working on a 0.9.5 release of MTJ.
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*** EclipseME ramp-down likely in Q3, perhaps aligned with a 1.0 release.
 
** NAB
 
** NAB
*** Release 0.9.9 on the Ganymede train. Almost done. A few minor bugs to fix.
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*** Ganymede train.
*** '''Doug: talk to Bjorn about NAB 1.0 and then meet with Shigeki.'''
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*** Japan working group - released Eclipse 3.3 and 3.4 Japanese language pack.
*** Shigeki talked to Japan working group and individual developers – they really need a completely localized website and mailing list. Biggest problem is Bugzilla. We need a Japanese interface for this.
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*** Japanese bugzilla.
*** NAB community is mostly WideStudio currently.  
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** RTSC
 
** RTSC
*** Still not provisioned yet. Still working on it.
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*** Dual license for runtime.
*** '''(done) Dave: organize an open technical call to follow up on technical questions from the creation review.'''
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*** Provisioning form filled out.  
**** Found a good time. Will schedule a call today.
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*** Finishing internal release. '''Dave will ping the PMC when his internal release is done.'''
*** '''(in progress) Dave: follow up with TI on EPL and run-time components of RTSC as discussed on PMC call.'''
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*** Redoing internal documentation in wiki. Eventually to move to Eclipse.
**** A meeting is setup tomorrow with the TI legal team, also including Steve Blonstein.
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**** Questions about GPL linking to EPL code.
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** TM
 
** TM
*** Working on Ganymede now.
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*** Ganymede.
*** (ran out of time for a longer update - perhaps an update of Google SoC student next time.)
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*** Bug fixes and maintenance.
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*** Google summer of code student - mid-term evaluation in progress now.
 
** TmL
 
** TmL
*** First external commit in due diligence. Crypto issue. Will get back to after Java One.
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*** Yufen from MontaVista has made a code contribution and Otavio is analyzing
*** Had some discussions with Mark Burton from VPP. Looking for overlap, but nothing new to report yet.
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*** Daniel finish Eugene from MV code changes and we are trying to commit into CVS.
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*** We are looking at a TM/TmL integration and have some interest in using TCF for data acquisition/transfer.
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*** Otavio is working in a PoC using /proc filesystem.
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*** We are working on a first version of update site and we have asked Martin for help to make our build scripts.  The build system documentation is poor.  
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*** In parallel we are discussing some issues about Studio x TmL but just one or two small bugs.
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*** We have a talk on TmL at Linux World
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* Next Meeting: Aug 7
  
* Upcoming events (not discussed)
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== Old Business ==
  
 
* (Deferred) Introducing the [http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/vpp/ VPP] proposed project and Mark Burton
 
* (Deferred) Introducing the [http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/vpp/ VPP] proposed project and Mark Burton
* General stuff
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* (Info) Search CVS
** NAB: Feedback comes from WS community, which is why dev list is so quiet.  All feedback is in Japanese.  Bugzilla can't work because interface is in English, which is a problem. '''Doug to follow up with Bjorn and Denis'''
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** Here is a general description of [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Search_CVS SearchCVS]
** DSDP Website - dynamic content
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** Here is the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/searchcvs.php TM Page] to try it out live
** eclipse.dsdp Newsgroup - dynamic content
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** Here are the notes about [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Releng_SVN_Support Subversion]
** [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/ DSDP Info center]
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*** [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-pmc/msg00129.html Instructions]
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*** eRCP, NAB, MTJ? 
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*** '''AI: eRCP - work on posting info center docs after 1.0 release'''
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Latest revision as of 10:30, 3 July 2008

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Invited Attendees

  • Eric Cloninger
  • Doug Gaff
  • Christian Kurzke
  • Shigeki Moride
  • Martin Oberhuber
  • Pawel Piech
  • Mark Rogalski
  • Dave Russo

New Business

  • AI review
    • RTSC provisioning - form filled out. Not sure about legal paperwork.
    • P3ML (no update)
      • Last email: Philippe needs help getting it through legal.
  • NAB on train
    • Shigeki emailed cross projects.
  • DSDP Incubator project
    • Shigeki thinks it will be helpful to create one for training.
    • Martin thinks it's a good idea, and also incubator subs on the sub-projects would be good.
    • Pawel - how does this work? Can they do releases? Will they be responsible for infrastructure? Web page? Who will be the project lead of the incubator?
    • Unanimous approval to create the incubator. Doug will start the process of creating a DSDP incubator and will build the initial website.
  • Project Plans Schedule
    • First draft in new format due: by August meeting
    • Final version: Sept 15
    • Roadmap generation: Sept 30
    • All: Start working on your project plans. First version: Aug 7. Version ready for roadmap: Sept 15.
    • Discussion
      • Martin: TM plan is done. It's really easy to do, and you can copy it.
      • Dave - comments of plan changes.
      • Pawel - DD is a release this year.
      • Eric - sounds good. Timing works out.
      • Christian - we're confident that we're joining the train.
      • Shigeki - wants to follow an example.
  • ESE
    • Uriel - eRCP/Expeditor/Titan
    • TM/TCF - Martin, Michael
    • Debugging - Pawel
    • MTJ - travel is not likely. Christian: Submit a talk and investigate a trip for ESE.
    • RTSC - dave is in a similar travel situation. Dave: Submit a talk and investigate a trip for ESE.
    • NAB - probably can't go.
  • Packaging proposal
    • The wiki page has ideas, roadmap, initial steps, and initial package list.
    • Dave thinks it's a great idea. Dave would like to get RTSC into the package at some point in the future.
    • Words of support from Doug.
  • Project Updates
    • DD
      • Ganymede release! Still need to update the website.
      • Working on 1.1 release now. Non-stop multi-threading and multi-process debugging. WR is working on debugger view improvements.
    • eRCP (no update)
      • eRCP in OSGi standardization - approved at board.
      • P3ML in eRCP - not getting critical mass.
    • MTJ
      • Sybase has joined the project.
      • Craig is actively contributing.
      • Working on a 0.9.5 release of MTJ.
      • EclipseME ramp-down likely in Q3, perhaps aligned with a 1.0 release.
    • NAB
      • Ganymede train.
      • Japan working group - released Eclipse 3.3 and 3.4 Japanese language pack.
      • Japanese bugzilla.
    • RTSC
      • Dual license for runtime.
      • Provisioning form filled out.
      • Finishing internal release. Dave will ping the PMC when his internal release is done.
      • Redoing internal documentation in wiki. Eventually to move to Eclipse.
    • TM
      • Ganymede.
      • Bug fixes and maintenance.
      • Google summer of code student - mid-term evaluation in progress now.
    • TmL
      • Yufen from MontaVista has made a code contribution and Otavio is analyzing
      • Daniel finish Eugene from MV code changes and we are trying to commit into CVS.
      • We are looking at a TM/TmL integration and have some interest in using TCF for data acquisition/transfer.
      • Otavio is working in a PoC using /proc filesystem.
      • We are working on a first version of update site and we have asked Martin for help to make our build scripts. The build system documentation is poor.
      • In parallel we are discussing some issues about Studio x TmL but just one or two small bugs.
      • We have a talk on TmL at Linux World
  • Next Meeting: Aug 7

Old Business

  • (Deferred) Introducing the VPP proposed project and Mark Burton
  • (Info) Search CVS

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