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* Passcode: 7817182169#
 
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== Invited Attendees ==
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== Invited Attendees (all present) ==
  
 
* Eric Cloninger
 
* Eric Cloninger
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== New Business ==
 
== New Business ==
  
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* Voting
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* General topics
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** Please register a link to your votes on the main PMC page.
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** Voting
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* From last meeting
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*** Please register a link to your votes on the main PMC page.
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** '''All: Review revised development process: {{Bug|220871}} [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php Dev Process Link]'''
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*** Martin doesn't want to reproduce the portal. Doug noted that the portal doesn't give the PMC the ability to conduct full votes right now. For committer elections and contributions, only 1 PMC member is required. Since we have a policy of discussing these things across the PMC, we have to use the mailing list for this.
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** '''All: Review standard project plan format discussion {{Bug|215301}}.''' First implementation in June.
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** '''All: (Done) Review revised development process: {{Bug|220871}} [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php Dev Process Link]'''
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** EPP package for embedded and mobile development
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*** Martin and Pawel have looked. No one else has any comments.
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** '''All: (Done) Review standard project plan format discussion {{Bug|215301}}.''' First implementation in June.
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*** No comments. Martin thinks this will make things easier.
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** From EclipseCon: Sourceforge (or other) package for embedded and mobile development – Eclipse and non-eclipse components. Perhaps a Cloudsmith solution could work. Cloudsmith is working on this now. '''Martin: Distribute notes on embedded/mobile package and start a wiki to track ideas.''' Link to cross projects [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg02319.html discussion].
 
** Inactive committers cleanup
 
** Inactive committers cleanup
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*** In progress on DD and TM. eRCP already done. No others required.
 
** Search CVS
 
** Search CVS
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*** Here is a general description of [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Search_CVS SearchCVS]
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* DSDP site mainteance
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*** Here is the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/searchcvs.php TM Page] to try it out live
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** Fabio can ask for commit rights, as can anyone else who wants to maintain the main web page.
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*** Here are the notes about [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Releng_SVN_Support Subversion]
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** Website maintenance
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*** Doug’s working on getting Eclipse PDT setup. '''Doug: write-up some instructions for using Eclipse PDT for website maintenance.'''
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*** Dave needs to migrate an internal Media Wiki and some PHP to Eclipse. '''Dave: start a conversation with the webmasters about how to best going about doing this.'''
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*** Eric may want commit rights on the main DSDP page at some point.
  
 
* Project Updates (copied from last meeting so we can review the action items)
 
* Project Updates (copied from last meeting so we can review the action items)
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** DD (Doug reported for Pawel)
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** DD
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*** Working on 1.0 in Ganymede.
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*** Ramping down for Ganymede. Basically in feature freeze at this point.
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*** 1.1 release planned for Fall - Ericsson and WR both need.
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*** Disasm view is last major feature to make DD 1.0 a full-featured debugger.
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*** Disasm view is last major feature.
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** eRCP
 
** eRCP
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*** 1.2 release coming up in July
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*** Developing new functionality for 1.2 release – on target for July.
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*** Move to RT project after 1.2 release
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*** In the case of Windows Mobile, there will be only partial support in 1.2.
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*** Terminal on eRCP - Martin filed a bug to help strip this down. Needs some advice. '''Mark: Please take a look at Martin's bug. {{Bug|168197}}'''
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*** S60 is still in progress, though. Need to talk to Gorkem.
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*** eRCP in OSGi standardization. '''Mark: please organize a call with Ed Cobb, Doug Gaff, Jeff McAfer to discuss board vote on standardization.'''  
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*** Made some progress on trying to get weekly builds done. Native builds are done. Java portions in progress. Uriel is talking to Ted today.
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*** P3ML in eRCP - still need a call with Philippe Krief. '''Mark: please check in with Philippe on approval for P3ML in eRCP.'''
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*** eRCP in OSGi standardization.  
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*** Build: native weekly builds post to cvs. After builds are done, hook up with Ted.
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**** Ed Cobb is no longer on the Board.
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*** '''Mark: follow up with Sprint and Prosyst on EPL redistribution requirements as discussed on PMC call.'''
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**** '''Mark: Follow up with Jeff McAfer to discuss Eclipse Board support for eRCP standardization.'''
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** MTJ (no update)
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*** Terminal on eRCP - Mark commented on Bug {{Bug|168197}}.
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** NAB (no update)
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**** Martin will work on a scaled back version of terminal, perhaps as an example.
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*** Doug thinks they need to go 1.0. Technology is mature. Transparency issues are partially cultural.
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*** P3ML in eRCP
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*** '''Doug: follow up with Shigeki about going to 1.0.'''
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**** Gorkem not really in favor of this. Feels like competition with eSWT. Doesn't want to confuse users with multiple application models.
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**** '''Mark: check in with Philippe on approval for P3ML in eRCP.'''
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**** We'll need to decide what to do after that.
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*** '''(done) Mark: follow up with Sprint and Prosyst on EPL redistribution requirements as discussed on PMC call.'''
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**** Done. They are aware, and they are trying to figure out how they will do it.
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** MTJ
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*** Nightly build from two weeks ago put up. (Progress!!)
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*** Working on legal feedback from Eclipse team on some of Craig’s code.
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*** Want to release a real milestone build next.
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** NAB
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*** Release 0.9.9 on the Ganymede train. Almost done. A few minor bugs to fix.
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*** '''Doug: talk to Bjorn about NAB 1.0 and then meet with Shigeki.'''
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*** Shigeki talked to Japan working group and individual developers – they really need a completely localized website and mailing list. Biggest problem is Bugzilla. We need a Japanese interface for this.
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*** NAB community is mostly WideStudio currently.
 
** RTSC
 
** RTSC
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*** Created last week.
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*** Still not provisioned yet. Still working on it.
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*** '''Dave: organize an open technical call to follow up on technical questions from the creation review.'''
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*** '''(done) Dave: organize an open technical call to follow up on technical questions from the creation review.'''
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*** '''Dave: follow up with TI on EPL and run-time components of RTSC as discussed on PMC call.'''
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**** Found a good time. Will schedule a call today.
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*** '''(in progress) Dave: follow up with TI on EPL and run-time components of RTSC as discussed on PMC call.'''
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**** A meeting is setup tomorrow with the TI legal team, also including Steve Blonstein.
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**** Questions about GPL linking to EPL code.
 
** TM
 
** TM
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*** Delay M6 by one week to clean up API. Using new API tooling from SDK.
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*** Working on Ganymede now.
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*** M7 is feature freeze. Still lots of work to do. 50 bugs.
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*** (ran out of time for a longer update - perhaps an update of Google SoC student next time.)
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*** WinCE subsystem contribution. Rado will become a committer. Marked as incubation.
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** TmL
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*** RSE terminal integration is also in. Working as a prototype right now. Marked as incubation. More bug fixes.
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*** First external commit in due diligence. Crypto issue. Will get back to after Java One.
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*** Open question around dual-license of the TCF agent.
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*** Had some discussions with Mark Burton from VPP. Looking for overlap, but nothing new to report yet.
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*** Proposed Felix Burton to become a TCF committer, mostly focused on plain C agent. '''Martin: circulate a separate vote for Felix Burton in parallel to TM vote.'''
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*** Google SoC mentor. Integration of RSE and Platform Team synchronization. Update/download of whole file trees will work. Folder comparison and synchronization in sync view. Student from Japan accepted. 3 hours per day for project. 12 weeks $4500 to student, $500 for mentor. there are 20 slots and 30 projects. Decisions will be decided on Friday. Martin's project is on the edge. Martin is concerned about student's time and responsiveness.
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** TmL (no update)
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*** Doug relayed Christian's desire to have Eric Cloninger as the new lead for TmL.
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*** '''Christian: nominate Eric as a commiter on Tml using Portal. Also circulate a vote on the PMC to make Eric the TmL lead and to add him to the PMC.'''
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== Old Business ==
 
== Old Business ==

Revision as of 15:10, 8 May 2008

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Invited Attendees (all present)

  • Eric Cloninger
  • Doug Gaff
  • Christian Kurzke
  • Shigeki Moride
  • Martin Oberhuber
  • Pawel Piech
  • Mark Rogalski
  • Dave Russo

New Business

  • General topics
    • Voting
      • Please register a link to your votes on the main PMC page.
      • Martin doesn't want to reproduce the portal. Doug noted that the portal doesn't give the PMC the ability to conduct full votes right now. For committer elections and contributions, only 1 PMC member is required. Since we have a policy of discussing these things across the PMC, we have to use the mailing list for this.
    • All: (Done) Review revised development process: bug 220871 Dev Process Link
      • Martin and Pawel have looked. No one else has any comments.
    • All: (Done) Review standard project plan format discussion bug 215301. First implementation in June.
      • No comments. Martin thinks this will make things easier.
    • From EclipseCon: Sourceforge (or other) package for embedded and mobile development – Eclipse and non-eclipse components. Perhaps a Cloudsmith solution could work. Cloudsmith is working on this now. Martin: Distribute notes on embedded/mobile package and start a wiki to track ideas. Link to cross projects discussion.
    • Inactive committers cleanup
      • In progress on DD and TM. eRCP already done. No others required.
    • Search CVS
    • Website maintenance
      • Doug’s working on getting Eclipse PDT setup. Doug: write-up some instructions for using Eclipse PDT for website maintenance.
      • Dave needs to migrate an internal Media Wiki and some PHP to Eclipse. Dave: start a conversation with the webmasters about how to best going about doing this.
      • Eric may want commit rights on the main DSDP page at some point.
  • Project Updates (copied from last meeting so we can review the action items)
    • DD
      • Ramping down for Ganymede. Basically in feature freeze at this point.
      • Disasm view is last major feature to make DD 1.0 a full-featured debugger.
    • eRCP
      • Developing new functionality for 1.2 release – on target for July.
      • In the case of Windows Mobile, there will be only partial support in 1.2.
      • S60 is still in progress, though. Need to talk to Gorkem.
      • Made some progress on trying to get weekly builds done. Native builds are done. Java portions in progress. Uriel is talking to Ted today.
      • eRCP in OSGi standardization.
        • Ed Cobb is no longer on the Board.
        • Mark: Follow up with Jeff McAfer to discuss Eclipse Board support for eRCP standardization.
      • Terminal on eRCP - Mark commented on Bug bug 168197.
        • Martin will work on a scaled back version of terminal, perhaps as an example.
      • P3ML in eRCP
        • Gorkem not really in favor of this. Feels like competition with eSWT. Doesn't want to confuse users with multiple application models.
        • Mark: check in with Philippe on approval for P3ML in eRCP.
        • We'll need to decide what to do after that.
      • (done) Mark: follow up with Sprint and Prosyst on EPL redistribution requirements as discussed on PMC call.
        • Done. They are aware, and they are trying to figure out how they will do it.
    • MTJ
      • Nightly build from two weeks ago put up. (Progress!!)
      • Working on legal feedback from Eclipse team on some of Craig’s code.
      • Want to release a real milestone build next.
    • NAB
      • Release 0.9.9 on the Ganymede train. Almost done. A few minor bugs to fix.
      • Doug: talk to Bjorn about NAB 1.0 and then meet with Shigeki.
      • Shigeki talked to Japan working group and individual developers – they really need a completely localized website and mailing list. Biggest problem is Bugzilla. We need a Japanese interface for this.
      • NAB community is mostly WideStudio currently.
    • RTSC
      • Still not provisioned yet. Still working on it.
      • (done) Dave: organize an open technical call to follow up on technical questions from the creation review.
        • Found a good time. Will schedule a call today.
      • (in progress) Dave: follow up with TI on EPL and run-time components of RTSC as discussed on PMC call.
        • A meeting is setup tomorrow with the TI legal team, also including Steve Blonstein.
        • Questions about GPL linking to EPL code.
    • TM
      • Working on Ganymede now.
      • (ran out of time for a longer update - perhaps an update of Google SoC student next time.)
    • TmL
      • First external commit in due diligence. Crypto issue. Will get back to after Java One.
      • Had some discussions with Mark Burton from VPP. Looking for overlap, but nothing new to report yet.

Old Business

  • Upcoming events (not discussed)
  • (Deferred) Introducing the VPP proposed project and Mark Burton
  • General stuff
    • NAB: Feedback comes from WS community, which is why dev list is so quiet. All feedback is in Japanese. Bugzilla can't work because interface is in English, which is a problem. Doug to follow up with Bjorn and Denis
    • DSDP Website - dynamic content
    • eclipse.dsdp Newsgroup - dynamic content
    • DSDP Info center
      • Instructions
      • eRCP, NAB, MTJ?
      • AI: eRCP - work on posting info center docs after 1.0 release
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