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Planning Council/September 4 2013

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Meeting Title: Planning Council Conference Call
Date & Time: Wednesday, September 4, 2013, at 1200 Noon Eastern
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Members and Attendees

PMC (and Strategic) Reps
Chris Aniszczyk Technology (PMC)
Dani Megert Eclipse (PMC) Y
Steffen Pingel Mylyn (ALM) PMC Y
Brian Payton Datatools (PMC)
Doug Schaefer Tools (PMC) Y
Adrian Mos (Marc Dutoo ) SOA (PMC) D
Ed Merks Modeling (PMC)
Ian Bull Rt (PMC) Y
Chuck Bridgham WTP (PMC) Y
Gary Xue Birt (PMC)
Wayne Beaton Eclipse Foundation (appointed) Y
David Williams (appointed Chair) Y
Strategic Reps
Cedric Brun OBEO (Strategic Developer)
Neil Hauge Oracle (Strategic Developer) Y
Stephan Merker SAP AG (Strategic Developer) Y
Markus Knauer Innoopract (Strategic Developer)
Markus Tiede BREDEX (Strategic Developer)
Rajeev Dayal Google (Strategic Developer)
(PMC rep) Actuate (Strategic Developer) X
(PMC rep) IBM (Strategic Developer) X
[no name] CA Inc. (Strategic Consumer) X

Note: "Inactive" refers to Strategic Members or PMCs we have not heard from for a while, and have been unable to convince to participate. Those members can become active again at any time. Contact David Williams if questions.

Note: feel free to correct any errors/omissions in above attendance record.
Y = Yes, attended
N = No, did not
R = regrets sent ahead of time
D = delegated
X = not expected


  •  ?

Kepler SR1

  • Two (known, approved) exceptions to "new features in SR1": Linux Tools, Stardust
  • Any issues?
None mentioned

Luna Planning

everyone agreed

  • Topics for possible discussion:
  • Who should we scold the most for not communicating well? :)
  • Change policy on disabling all in M1 to require "actively joining"?
Key aspects:
Projects to send note to cross-project list. (How to handle "individual projects" vs. those that release as a "group", e.g. WTP?, Platform?)
Planning Council (or, Wayne) enters their "entry" and +n date in database.
Deadline? M4 seems "late" for those already in? We've said "once in, always in". Hence, how does this interact with "disabling in aggregation"?
General agreement, though some questions still to work out ...
Action items:
Wayne will send note to Cross-project "in a day or two". For Luna, he will start with initial data from b3aggrcon files that have had contributions enabled.
DW to open 2 bugs:
1) What are best "deadlines", in relation to b3aggrcon files. The idea would be be something like "for those already in train, they would "stay enabled" until after M1", then if had not been heard from on cross-project list, they would be disabled. If not heard by end of M3, they would be removed (since M4 is deadline to be "in", even for new comers).
2) open (or find, and change priority of existing bug), that b3aggrcon files would be changed to conform to "project name" pattern.

  • Should "we" say anything about Java 5 vs. Java 6? (Have we already?)
Not really, we already mention it in SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_Requirements#Target_Environments.
Neil added agenda item to Arch. Council to discuss best practices around Execution_Environments
  • Should we revisit the policy about "release one month prior to SR"?
  • How can (or should) we better capture what new features are in an SR for adopters awareness?
There was agreement "we needed something", but flexible on exactly what.
Doug took action item of working on wording of new policy for Planning Council consideration and approval ... it'd be something like "feature freeze by (and in) RC1 and Release Review Materials complete by RC1". Release Materials would include "new feature" descriptions for adopters, so that'd be covered.

On going discussions

[Can we turn this first one into an action item, owned by someone?]

  • Do we need, or how can we help enable, "more frequent releases"? Including what, exactly, that means. Such as, currently projects can release whenever they want, but the issue seemed to be on EPP packages and/or "prime real estate" of "Eclipse Foundations Downloads" page?
We didn't address specifically, but may be covered by policy item above and Doug's work below?.
  • Doug mentioned taking over releng role? (Was going to work on prototype before making specific proposal) [Doug]
Doug briefly mentioned he was still working on prototype, but he didn't see it "taking the place" of any existing thing ... but, would be "an IDE Installer" ... perhaps yet another package that could be Downloaded from main EF DL page?

Progress on Action Items

  • Editing of "Requirements Document"? (Dani and Neil)
  • GSoC project for "Development Channel"? (Wayne)
  • Improved "aggregator examples/doc". (dw -- no progress).
  • [Orbit plan "by end of August". (dw -- no progress -- will likely be late, still "in September")]
  • Need to improve Luna wiki page (dw)

Kepler Retrospective

For reference, see Planning_Council/Juno_retrospective.

  • what worked:

  • what could be better:

Next Meeting

  • October 2, 2013 - Regular First Wednesday Meeting


EclipseCon face-to-face follow-through action items. For original meeting notes, see Planning_Council/March_24_2013 and for discussion leading to action items, see Planning_Council/April_10_2013. For last status update, see Planning_Council/May_8_2013.
Luna Wiki page
Kepler Wiki page
Planning Council/Juno retrospective
Planning Council Members
Simultaneous Release Roles and Simultaneous Release Roles/EMO

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