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* [Wayne] Opt-in rules: announcement requirement? join-in/drop-out deadline? | * [Wayne] Opt-in rules: announcement requirement? join-in/drop-out deadline? | ||
| − | * [Wayne] Eclipse ''Placeholder'' IDE for Java Developers, 2018-12 Edition" is created from the "Eclipse ''Placeholder'' Simultaneous Release" | + | === Bonus Bikeshedding Topic === |
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| + | * [Wayne] Eclipse ''Placeholder'' IDE for Java Developers, 2018-12 Edition" is created from the "Eclipse ''Placeholder'' Simultaneous Release": what could we use for ''Placeholder''? | ||
== Regrets == | == Regrets == | ||
== Notes == | == Notes == | ||
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| + | === Schedule, Dates, Opt-in vs. Opt-out === | ||
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| + | Dani/Wayne: Rather than opting in, we throw everyone out (disable all aggregator files) and they re-add themselves if they're not a new project. | ||
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| + | Fred: We used to do this, but because some projects didn't reply in time, this broke some M1 builds. We decided to opt-out instead of opt-in to avoid needlessly broken early builds. | ||
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| + | Wayne: I can't recall which approach we prefer. | ||
| + | Dani: We decided not to throw out projects as this would be too disruptive (see Fred's comment). | ||
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| + | Dani: what's wrong with using the release record for opt-in? | ||
| + | |||
| + | Wayne: Even simpler than having to update release record, we would just have this opt-in recorded in aggregator files. | ||
| + | |||
| + | Dani/Wayne: we should enforce no /latest/ URLs in aggregator files, so it's more obvious that people are opting in, contributing new builds. | ||
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| + | Wayne: if you're new, you must announce yourself. Existing projects w/ breaking changes should announce those changes (eg., platform 4.10 dropping 32-bit support). | ||
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| + | '''AI''': Wayne: add a new date to the simrel schedule for when an announcement is send to cross-projects@, to report who we think is participating. If URLs are found w/ /latest/ or snapshot, they should be disabled? | ||
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| + | '''AI''': Wayne: send note to cross-projects@ to announce not opting in | ||
| + | |||
| + | Fred: auditing will be in place to prevent late changes / new features being added after M3, eg., as simple as disabling jenkins jobs? | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''AI''': Wayne: update "ASAP" re: "Create your release record (for new releases)". Actual date is on/before Oct 19. | ||
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| + | '''AI''': Wayne: create a wiki page for N&N so projects can choose to post their content. Deadline 2 weeks before GA (Dec 5). Offer of help from Lakshmi? | ||
| + | |||
| + | : '''AI''': Dani: to follow up if Wayne doesn't find Lakshmi's email | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''New''' projects must join by M1, Oct 19 (not Oct 5 as previously suggested). | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Bikeshedding === | ||
| + | |||
| + | 2 questions from the Foundation to solve: | ||
| + | * TLP rename | ||
| + | * simrel rename | ||
| + | |||
| + | |||
| + | Dani: (for TLP) show me the rules where it says the name must be trademarkable | ||
| + | |||
| + | Alex: who is responsible for maintaining this doc? how can we get it changed/evolved? | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''AI''': Wayne to produce documentation re: rules and send to planning-council list | ||
| + | |||
| + | === ECE Planning Council Meetup? === | ||
| + | |||
| + | Dani: who will be at ECE? Arch council has a breakfast. We could do a planning council meetup. Fred/Dani/Wayne to plan a meeting | ||
| + | |||
| + | Wayne: if you want informal we can do that; if more formal might require some effort to plan | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''AI''': Dani: send email to planning-council list to see who'll be at ECE and who would want to meetup. | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Simrel status === | ||
| + | |||
| + | 2018-09M1 had some challenges, but plans are in place to avoid those problems when we start up 2018-12 M1 soon. | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''AI''': Fred restrict pushing to simrel w/o gerrit review | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Portal sunset === | ||
| + | |||
| + | Everything should be moved over to https://accounts.eclipse.org/ already, but if you find anything that isn't please email wayne / open a BZ with links/details. | ||
Latest revision as of 06:03, 4 October 2018
Logistics
| Meeting Title: | Planning Council Conference Call |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday, Oct 3, 2018, at 11:00 EDT |
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Members
Temporary Planning Council Chair: Nick Boldt Planning Council Chair: Melanie Bats (returns Dec 2018)
Eclipse Foundation
- Wayne Beaton
- Frederic Gurr
- Mikael Barbero
Strategic Members
- CA Technologies
- CEA LIST
- Ericsson AB (Marc-Andre Laperle)
- IBM (Thomas Watson)
- itemis AG (Alexander Nyssen)
- Obeo (Melanie Bats)
- Oracle (Neil Hauge)
- Red Hat, Inc. (Nick Boldt)
- Robert Bosch GmbH
- SAP SE (Stephan Merker)
PMC Representatives
- Business Intelligence and Reporting Tools (BIRT) PMC (Gary Xue)
- Data Tools Platform PMC (Brian Payton)
- Eclipse Cloud Development PMC (Martin Lippert)
- Eclipse Project PMC (Dani Megert)
- IoT
- LocationTech Technology
- Eclipse Modeling Project PMC (Ed Merks)
- Mylyn (Application Lifecycle Tools) PMC (Sam Davis)
- PolarSys
- Eclipse Runtime Project (RT) PMC
- Eclipse Science
- Service Oriented Architecture PMC (Adrian Mos)
- Technology PMC (Chris Aniszczyk)
- Tools Project PMC (Aleksandar Kurtakov)
- Eclipse Web Tools Platform Project (WTP) PMC (Carl Anderson)
Previous meeting minutes
- Review previous meeting minutes if you'd like. That is, review them before the meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.
Attendance
Nick Boldt, Frederic Gurr, Martin Lippert, Pierre Charles David, Tom Watson, Dani, Mikael Barbero, Alex K
Agenda
- [Wayne] Simultaneous Release Dates for 2018-12 - https://www.eclipse.org/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg03148.html
- CQ submission deadline
- Nov 28 - IP log submission deadline
- Dec 5 - Review and N&N due
- Dec 19 - Release reviews
- Dec 19 - Eclipse SimRel 2018-12 GA
- [Wayne] Opt-in rules: announcement requirement? join-in/drop-out deadline?
Bonus Bikeshedding Topic
- [Wayne] Eclipse Placeholder IDE for Java Developers, 2018-12 Edition" is created from the "Eclipse Placeholder Simultaneous Release": what could we use for Placeholder?
Regrets
Notes
Schedule, Dates, Opt-in vs. Opt-out
Dani/Wayne: Rather than opting in, we throw everyone out (disable all aggregator files) and they re-add themselves if they're not a new project.
Fred: We used to do this, but because some projects didn't reply in time, this broke some M1 builds. We decided to opt-out instead of opt-in to avoid needlessly broken early builds.
Wayne: I can't recall which approach we prefer. Dani: We decided not to throw out projects as this would be too disruptive (see Fred's comment).
Dani: what's wrong with using the release record for opt-in?
Wayne: Even simpler than having to update release record, we would just have this opt-in recorded in aggregator files.
Dani/Wayne: we should enforce no /latest/ URLs in aggregator files, so it's more obvious that people are opting in, contributing new builds.
Wayne: if you're new, you must announce yourself. Existing projects w/ breaking changes should announce those changes (eg., platform 4.10 dropping 32-bit support).
AI: Wayne: add a new date to the simrel schedule for when an announcement is send to cross-projects@, to report who we think is participating. If URLs are found w/ /latest/ or snapshot, they should be disabled?
AI: Wayne: send note to cross-projects@ to announce not opting in
Fred: auditing will be in place to prevent late changes / new features being added after M3, eg., as simple as disabling jenkins jobs?
AI: Wayne: update "ASAP" re: "Create your release record (for new releases)". Actual date is on/before Oct 19.
AI: Wayne: create a wiki page for N&N so projects can choose to post their content. Deadline 2 weeks before GA (Dec 5). Offer of help from Lakshmi?
- AI: Dani: to follow up if Wayne doesn't find Lakshmi's email
New projects must join by M1, Oct 19 (not Oct 5 as previously suggested).
Bikeshedding
2 questions from the Foundation to solve:
- TLP rename
- simrel rename
Dani: (for TLP) show me the rules where it says the name must be trademarkable
Alex: who is responsible for maintaining this doc? how can we get it changed/evolved?
AI: Wayne to produce documentation re: rules and send to planning-council list
ECE Planning Council Meetup?
Dani: who will be at ECE? Arch council has a breakfast. We could do a planning council meetup. Fred/Dani/Wayne to plan a meeting
Wayne: if you want informal we can do that; if more formal might require some effort to plan
AI: Dani: send email to planning-council list to see who'll be at ECE and who would want to meetup.
Simrel status
2018-09M1 had some challenges, but plans are in place to avoid those problems when we start up 2018-12 M1 soon.
AI: Fred restrict pushing to simrel w/o gerrit review
Portal sunset
Everything should be moved over to https://accounts.eclipse.org/ already, but if you find anything that isn't please email wayne / open a BZ with links/details.