https://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&feed=atom&action=historyPlanning Council/March 07 2012 - Revision history2024-03-28T16:56:08ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.26.4https://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293248&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Other Business */2012-03-08T02:54:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Other Business</span></span></p>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293247&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Indigo SR2 */2012-03-08T02:54:06Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Indigo SR2</span></span></p>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293246&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Plans */2012-03-08T02:50:27Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Plans</span></span></p>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293245&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Plans */2012-03-08T02:48:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Plans</span></span></p>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293244&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Indigo SR2 */2012-03-08T02:47:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Indigo SR2</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* No bug yet, but I've gotten some email one might be open to "remove categories" from Indigo SR0 and SR1 repositories, to "complete" the fix for the problem caused by linuxtools changing feature IDs in SR2 (See {{bug|371302}}). As is, 6 features show up in "Linux tools" category, but 3 are for SR1 and 3 are for SR2 and they can not be all installed (all at once, that is, as most users would "pick them all" if they wanted Linux tools). While not exactly a blocking bug ... is it something that will last for years to come ... not to mention, I wonder if we should always only have one categorization for common repo? (discussed some in {{bug|314165}}.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* No bug yet, but I've gotten some email one might be open to "remove categories" from Indigo SR0 and SR1 repositories, to "complete" the fix for the problem caused by linuxtools changing feature IDs in SR2 (See {{bug|371302}}). As is, 6 features show up in "Linux tools" category, but 3 are for SR1 and 3 are for SR2 and they can not be all installed (all at once, that is, as most users would "pick them all" if they wanted Linux tools). While not exactly a blocking bug ... is it something that will last for years to come ... not to mention, I wonder if we should always only have one categorization for common repo? (discussed some in {{bug|314165}}.</div></td></tr>
</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293243&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Indigo SR2 */2012-03-08T02:46:45Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Indigo SR2</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* No bug yet, but I've gotten some email one might be open to "remove categories" from Indigo SR0 and SR1 repositories, to "complete" the fix for the problem caused by linuxtools changing feature IDs in SR2 (See {{bug|371302}}). As is, 6 features show up in "Linux tools" category, but 3 are for SR1 and 3 are for SR2 and they can not be all installed (all at once, that is, as most users would "pick them all" if they wanted Linux tools). While not exactly a blocking bug ... is it something that will last for years to come ... not to mention, I wonder if we should always only have one categorization for common repo? (discussed some in {{bug|314165}}.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* No bug yet, but I've gotten some email one might be open to "remove categories" from Indigo SR0 and SR1 repositories, to "complete" the fix for the problem caused by linuxtools changing feature IDs in SR2 (See {{bug|371302}}). As is, 6 features show up in "Linux tools" category, but 3 are for SR1 and 3 are for SR2 and they can not be all installed (all at once, that is, as most users would "pick them all" if they wanted Linux tools). While not exactly a blocking bug ... is it something that will last for years to come ... not to mention, I wonder if we should always only have one categorization for common repo? (discussed some in {{bug|314165}}.</div></td></tr>
</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293242&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Other Business */2012-03-08T02:43:16Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Other Business</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I added some info about p2.mirrorsURL and p2.index to  [[SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_Requirements#Provide_optimized_p2_repository_.28partially_tested.29| Provide_optimized_p2_repository section]]. I did this to help educate everyone, but, if anyone thinks I've added too much, please let me know.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I added some info about p2.mirrorsURL and p2.index to  [[SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_Requirements#Provide_optimized_p2_repository_.28partially_tested.29| Provide_optimized_p2_repository section]]. I did this to help educate everyone, but, if anyone thinks I've added too much, please let me know.  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Anything else?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Anything else?</div></td></tr>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293241&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Plans */2012-03-08T02:12:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Plans</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Markus did say he might be willing to try using CBI output in some "test builds" for evaluation, if anyone thought that would be useful, but would not want to "release" those, if the platform released something different in the common repository. The EPP packages all come from the "common repository" which he does not want to change -- that is a key part of the "coordinated" and "update" story at Eclipse. And, it is up to each project to decide what goes into that common repository (that is, they decide what they contribute), since it is their responsibility. And, the Platform team has decided that they will contribute the bits from the PDE build for SR0 in June ... but they are willing to consider changing build systems after June, if CBI proves ready by then, or even after SR1 (for SR2 release) if CBI not ready by September or not enough time to evaluate it by September.''  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Markus did say he might be willing to try using CBI output in some "test builds" for evaluation, if anyone thought that would be useful, but would not want to "release" those, if the platform released something different in the common repository. The EPP packages all come from the "common repository" which he does not want to change -- that is a key part of the "coordinated" and "update" story at Eclipse. And, it is up to each project to decide what goes into that common repository (that is, they decide what they contribute), since it is their responsibility. And, the Platform team has decided that they will contribute the bits from the PDE build for SR0 in June ... but they are willing to consider changing build systems after June, if CBI proves ready by then, or even after SR1 (for SR2 release) if CBI not ready by September or not enough time to evaluate it by September.''  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''The Planning Council agreed it would be a better plan to work "bottom up", to first prove the CBI can build the same thing as the platform build, and to then move the platform to a CBI build, and then end up with one set of bundles per release. It was felt that this might be feasible by SR1. Even that would have some risk of "making it on time"<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>but would <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">at least </del>allow some iteration and investigation and proof that it was adequate if not identical, before committing bundles "out in to the wild". Perhaps for Juno, "LTS" could "start with" SR2 ... though long term, Andrew told us, LTS members want to be able to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">even </del>have their own builds/fixes/streams <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">done </del>immediately after SR0, if they so desired.''</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''The Planning Council agreed it would be a better plan to work "bottom up", to first prove the CBI can build the same thing as the platform build, and to then move the platform to a CBI build, and then end up with one set of bundles per release. It was felt that this might be feasible by SR1. Even that would <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be aggressive, and </ins>have some risk of "making it on time" <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(without sacrificing quality of the builds produced) </ins>but would <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">feasibly </ins>allow <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">time </ins>some iteration and investigation and proof that it was adequate if not identical, before committing bundles "out in to the wild". Perhaps for Juno, "LTS" could "start with" SR2 ... though long term, Andrew told us, LTS members <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">do </ins>want to be able to have their own builds/fixes/streams <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">even </ins>immediately after SR0, if they so desired.''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''So, our recommendation is for CBI and LTS interests to come up with a plan to get the platform to move to CBI build by SR1, and not plan to release two sets of bundles <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">at SR0</del>, as well as work with the EPP project to make sure the project (and the package maintainers and committers) agree with any proposals made to change the way things are done.''</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''So, our recommendation is for CBI and LTS interests to come up with a plan to get the platform to move to CBI build by SR1 <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">or SR2</ins>, and not plan to release two sets of bundles, as well as work with the EPP project to make sure the project (and the package maintainers and committers) agree with any proposals made to change the way things are done.''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Planning Council members (or, members of their teams) can support the CBI and LTS efforts by at least opening bugs/feature requests on what's needed for CBI to "work for them" (in cbi bugzilla product), be explicit about acceptance criteria, as well as contribute man power to try the builds, test the results, etc., if not actually provide tools for CBI (the Common Build Infrastructure).''  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Planning Council members (or, members of their teams) can support the CBI and LTS efforts by at least opening bugs/feature requests on what's needed for CBI to "work for them" (in cbi bugzilla product), be explicit about acceptance criteria, as well as contribute man power to try the builds, test the results, etc., if not actually provide tools for CBI (the Common Build Infrastructure).''  </div></td></tr>
</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293240&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Plans */2012-03-08T02:09:06Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Plans</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Agreement that having "two versions" of bundles for one release is not tenable (for maintenance, predictable builds, updates, etc.) and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">perhaps </del>maybe just a case <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">that some thought that feasible due to </del>mis-communication or understanding the nuances of repositories, installs, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>adopter scenarios, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>Eclipse project decision processes.''</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Agreement that having "two versions" of bundles for one release is not tenable (for maintenance, predictable builds, updates, etc.) and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">would tarnish Eclipse's reputation for producing reliable, predictable releases. In some ways, it was speculated, that </ins>maybe <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the proposal made on cbi-dev list was </ins>just a case <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">of partial </ins>mis-communication or <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">terminology issues of not  </ins>understanding the nuances of repositories, installs, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">updates, </ins>adopter scenarios, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as well as the </ins>Eclipse <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">dev. process and the </ins>project decision processes.''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Markus did say he<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'d </del>be willing to try using CBI output in some "test builds" for evaluation, if anyone thought that useful, but would not want to "release" those, if the platform released something different. The EPP packages all come from the "common repository" which he does not want to change -- that is a key part of the "coordinated" and "update" story. And, it is up to each project to decide what goes into that common repository (that is, they decide what they contribute), since it is their responsibility. And, the Platform team has decided that they will contribute the bits from the PDE build ... but they are willing to consider changing build systems after June, if CBI proves ready by then.''  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''Markus did say he <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">might </ins>be willing to try using CBI output in some "test builds" for evaluation, if anyone thought that <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">would be </ins>useful, but would not want to "release" those, if the platform released something different <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">in the common repository</ins>. The EPP packages all come from the "common repository" which he does not want to change -- that is a key part of the "coordinated" and "update" story <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">at Eclipse</ins>. And, it is up to each project to decide what goes into that common repository (that is, they decide what they contribute), since it is their responsibility. And, the Platform team has decided that they will contribute the bits from the PDE build <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">for SR0 in June </ins>... but they are willing to consider changing build systems after June, if CBI proves ready by then<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, or even after SR1 (for SR2 release) if CBI not ready by September or not enough time to evaluate it by September</ins>.''  </div></td></tr>
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</table>David williams.acm.orghttps://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Planning_Council/March_07_2012&diff=293237&oldid=prevDavid williams.acm.org: /* Plans */2012-03-07T22:21:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Plans</span></span></p>
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