Planning Council/2019-09-04

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Planning Council Conference Call

Date & Time:

Wednesday, September 4, 2019, at 11:00 EST

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Members

Planning Council Chair: Mélanie Bats

Eclipse Foundation

Wayne Beaton
Frederic Gurr
Mikael Barbero

Strategic Members

CA Technologies
CEA LIST
Fujitsu Limited
IBM (Thomas Watson)
Obeo (Melanie Bats)
Oracle (Neil Hauge)
Payara Services Ltd.
Red Hat, Inc. (Nick Boldt)
Robert Bosch GmbH
SAP SE (Stephan Merker)
Tomitribe

PMC Representatives

Eclipse Cloud Development PMC (Martin Lippert)
Eclipse Project PMC (Dani Megert)
Eclipse Enterprise for Java PMC
IoT PMC
Eclipse Modeling Project PMC (Ed Merks)
Mylyn (Application Lifecycle Tools) PMC (Sam Davis)
PolarSys PMC
Eclipse Runtime Project (RT) PMC
Eclipse Science PMC
Service Oriented Architecture PMC (Adrian Mos)
Eclipse Technology PMC (Gunnar Wagenknecht)
Tools Project PMC (Alexander Kurtakov)
Eclipse Web Tools Platform Project (WTP) PMC (Nitin Dahyabhai)

Appointed Members

Appointed (Mikael Barbero)
Appointed (Markus Knauer)
Appointed (Mike Milinkovich)
Appointed (Sopot Cela)
Appointed (Wayne Beaton)

Previous meeting minutes

Review previous meeting minutes if you'd like. That is, review them before the meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.

https://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/2019-06-05

Attendance

Nitin Dahyabhai
Mikaël Barbero
Wayne Beaton
Tom Watson
Martin Lippert
Fred Gurr
Mélanie Bats

Regrets

Ed Merks

Agenda

Simrel updates & MAc signing
Discuss 2020-03 & 2020-06 planning
Managing opt-in/opt-out
- Is the participation page (e.g. 2019-09 considered useful?
Planning Council to be removed from the Eclipse Foundation Bylaws (and EDP)
- Acknowledge that the Planning Council is entirely focused on Eclipse IDE Simultaneous Release

Actions follow-up

None

Notes

Simrel update

RC1 due on friday RC2 next friday Hopefully GA will be ontime

Some improvements were done on the Simrel wiki pages : https://www.eclipse.org/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg03252.html

Mac signing

With the next MacOS release Catalina, each apps need to be authorized despite we sign the Eclipse bnudle, it is not authorized. It is mostly fixed for the next release but this means that no previous release will run on new MacOS. So Mikaël is working on making the mac version being authorised on Catalina. The latest build runs, there is still more testing to do.

Bylaws

Planning Council will be removed from the Eclipse Foundation Bylaws (and EDP). We acknowledge that the Planning Council is entirely focused on Eclipse IDE Simultaneous Release. So the idea is to move everything under EPP project and just continue to work as an Eclipse project. Other working groups are organized differently, they could be inspired by the IDE Simrel (JakartaEE communities, Science working group) but that's all.

Managing opt-in/opt-out

Opt-in process is broken, it relies too heavily on Wayne (identifying not listening projects, contact them, ...) We decided last year to be based on the touch of the aggr file to determine who's in or out. In anyway, after few cycles, Wayne thinks that it seems ridiculous. The question is : do we need opt-in/opt-out ? How could we find how many projects are listening ? Proposal was done by Nitin to automatize this based on the PMI. We could add a section to declare that a release is part of the xxxx-yy Simrel. The purpose is to make sure that projects pay attention and to prevent that something will not break the build in last stage.

We should discuss how to modify PMI ? Mikael proposed also to implement checks. For example, that verify that a contribition is not older than one year old, in order to find easily which project needs to be contacted and see with them if we should remove them ?

Mélanie asked if Wayne will not be anymore in charge of contacting the project, who will do that as it seems to be a very consuming task. Should it be done by the planning council's chair ? Mélanie raised the fact that she will not have the time to do that alone. So another idea would be to share this on the planning council members. It was decided to continue this discussion on the mailing list, Wayne will start at thread.

2020-03 & 2020-06 schedules

2020-03

17/01 M1
07/02 M2
28/02 M3
06/03 RC1
13/03 RC2
13/03 - 17/03 Quiet Period
18/03 GA

Fred: Dates LGTM! Martin: Dates LGTM!

2020-06

17/04 M1
08/05 M2
29/05 M3
05/06 RC1
12/06 RC2
12/06 - 16/06 Quiet Period
17/06 GA

Martin: Dates LGTM!

Actions

Wayne starts a discussion on the mailing list about the opt-in/opt-out process & who will be in charge of ?
Mélanie starts a discussion on the mailing list to validate 2020-03 & 2020-06 schedules

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