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The Machine-to-Machine Industry Working Group is holding weekly calls.<br>Participation to these calls is restricted to members of the IWG, but the minutes are public.  
 
The Machine-to-Machine Industry Working Group is holding weekly calls.<br>Participation to these calls is restricted to members of the IWG, but the minutes are public.  
  
The meetings are held via teleconference. The regular call-in numbers are as follows (if possible, please used caller paid numbers)
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The meetings are held via teleconference. The regular call-in numbers are as follows (if possible, please used caller paid numbers)  
  
Passcode: 874 515 514#
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Passcode: 874 515 514#  
  
* Canada Caller Paid: 416-840-9801 / 1-877-727-8553
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*Canada Caller Paid: 416-840-9801 / 1-877-727-8553
  
* US Caller Paid: 480-629-1624 / 1-866-394-4146
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*US Caller Paid: 480-629-1624 / 1-866-394-4146
  
* Germany Caller paid 49-6958-999-0561 / 0800-111-1193
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*Germany Caller paid 49-6958-999-0561 / 0800-111-1193
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* UK Caller Paid:  44-207-154-0023  /  0800-358-3473
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* France Caller Paid: 33-1-70-99-3261 / 0800-94-0253
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*UK Caller Paid: 44-207-154-0023 / 0800-358-3473
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*France Caller Paid: 33-1-70-99-3261 / 0800-94-0253
  
 
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= 2012-02-28 =
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= 2012-03-13  =
  
== Attendees ==  
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== Attendees ==
  
* Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
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*Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation  
* Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
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*Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless  
* Scott DeDeugd, IBM
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*Scott DeDeugd, IBM  
* Peter Niblett, IBM
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*Arlen Nipper, Eurotech  
* Dave Locke, IBM
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*Marco Carrer, Eurotech
* Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
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*James Branigan, Band XI
* Marco Carrer, Eurotech
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''note: due to time zone changes, some members could not attend''
* Andy Piper
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* Patrick Dempsey, Band XI
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* James Branigan, Band XI
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== M2M meta-model ==
 
  
(note from Benjamin: sorry that I likely did forget to write down some of the discussions around the model, feel free to complete!)
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== Discussion on Metamodel Description: ==
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Benjamin has updated the metamodel description on the Wiki with an  introduction and purpose. No specific comments yet. Benjamin will send a note out to the mailing list to encourage review and comments. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/M2MIWG/M2M_meta-model
  
* Benjamin will add a preamble to the wiki page to describe in more details the purpose of the meta-model
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Question came up on whether the metamodel is intended for use in the tooling for application integration and development, or also for defining device parameters and data interface to external systems? Benjamin responded that it is intended primarily for application development but once defined it could also be used for open interface integration.
* Peter: how about devices and sensors acting as data feeds?
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* Arlen: it is more about devices and brokers than devices and servers.
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* Scott: oBIX may be a good model to describe data. Arlen had use cases with oBIX and MQTT.
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== M2M app anatomy, scenarios ==
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A request was made to include an example of instantiating the metamodel. Benjamin was agreeable to this but said he cannot get to it until after EclipseCon.
  
* Arlen and Scott will provide a first draft of the description of data manipulation: how to send it, how to receive it...
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== Discussion on Scenarios/Problems Description:  ==
 +
A proposed format and examples for the Scenarios and related Problems are now on the Wiki. Arlen was OK with format and will add some relevant scenarios. Scott will send a note out to the mailing list to encourage review, comments and contributions. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/M2MIWG/M2M_Scenarios
  
== Chairperson ==
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== Updates on Project work:  ==
 +
*Koneki: team is working to be part of Juno release stream
 +
*Paho: C code available now. Java code ready and is getting new package names before release.
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*M2M Sandbox Server: This is running now. Access control needs to be addressed. Ian will try to get someone from Eclipse IT to the F2F meeting. Arlen has some simple start-up documentation he will provide.
  
* Ian reminds that the chairperson is setting meetings agendas, and running the meetings
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== Agenda for EclipseCon meeting  ==
* The chairperson must be from a strategic or enterprise member company, and only IBM is falling into this category
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Scott will update Wiki with items discussed today.
* Scott to take the chairperson role
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*Sandbox access control
* It is suggested that the chairperson (and co-chairs if any) should be renewed every year
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*Discussion around a 2012 focus on “user experience” with Koneki, Paho and Sandbox.
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*Participants should add themselves to the dedicated [[Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Mar29|wiki page]]
  
== Agenda for EclipseCon meeting ==
 
  
* The meeting could start earlier if needed (even though there's the keynote in the morning)
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= 2012-02-28  =
* There will be a couple of newcomers (QNX, Thingworx, ...), maybe it'd make sense to present them the activities of the Group during the BoF and use the F2F meeting
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* The main topics would be the M2M meta-model and marketing.
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* Participants should add themselves to the dedicated [[Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Mar29|wiki page]]
+
  
== Paho update ==
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== Attendees  ==
  
* Dave to post update regarding ETA of the Paho initial contribution on paho-dev mailing-list.
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*Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
 +
*Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
 +
*Scott DeDeugd, IBM
 +
*Peter Niblett, IBM
 +
*Dave Locke, IBM
 +
*Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
 +
*Marco Carrer, Eurotech
 +
*Andy Piper
 +
*Patrick Dempsey, Band XI
 +
*James Branigan, Band XI
  
= 2012-02-21 =
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== M2M meta-model  ==
  
== Attendees ==
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(note from Benjamin: sorry that I likely did forget to write down some of the discussions around the model, feel free to complete!)
  
* Andy Piper
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*Benjamin will add a preamble to the wiki page to describe in more details the purpose of the meta-model
* Ian Skerrett
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*Peter: how about devices and sensors acting as data feeds?
* Gaétan Morice
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*Arlen: it is more about devices and brokers than devices and servers.
* Benjamin Cabé
+
*Scott: oBIX may be a good model to describe data. Arlen had use cases with oBIX and MQTT.
* Patrick Dempsey
+
  
 +
== M2M app anatomy, scenarios  ==
  
== M2M meta-model ==
+
*Arlen and Scott will provide a first draft of the description of data manipulation: how to send it, how to receive it...
  
* Benjamin has put a first version of the M2M meta-model requirements on the wiki
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== Chairperson  ==
** It is very data-centric atm (which was identified has something very important during the IWG kick-off though)
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** Members are encouraged to review it and provide feedback
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* Koneki team will provide a first implementation of the meta-model in EMF (hopefuly this week) ; and then tooling to edit model instances
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== M2M developers hub ==
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*Ian reminds that the chairperson is setting meetings agendas, and running the meetings
 +
*The chairperson must be from a strategic or enterprise member company, and only IBM is falling into this category
 +
*Scott to take the chairperson role
 +
*It is suggested that the chairperson (and co-chairs if any) should be renewed every year
  
* Drupal instance has been set up
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== Agenda for EclipseCon meeting  ==
** Ian to send credentials to Andy
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* Ian to send an e-mail to the mailing list to initiate discussions regarding graphical design (Arlen already mentioned that Robert from Eurotech could work on a logo ; Sierra graphical designer could work on UX ; ... )
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* EclipseCon will be the occasion to discuss when we want to put the site online (e.g. soft launch asap or wait until a more complete chain has been implemented?)
+
  
 +
*The meeting could start earlier if needed (even though there's the keynote in the morning)
 +
*There will be a couple of newcomers (QNX, Thingworx, ...), maybe it'd make sense to present them the activities of the Group during the BoF and use the F2F meeting
 +
*The main topics would be the M2M meta-model and marketing.
 +
*Participants should add themselves to the dedicated [[Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Mar29|wiki page]]
  
= 2012-02-14 =
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== Paho update  ==
  
== Attendees ==
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*Dave to post update regarding ETA of the Paho initial contribution on paho-dev mailing-list.
  
* Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
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= 2012-02-21  =
* Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
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* Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
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* Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
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* Nick O'Leary, IBM
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* Scott DeDeugd, IBM
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* Andy Piper
+
  
== Agenda ==  
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== Attendees  ==
- Follow up on f2f meeting actions
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- EclipseCon
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- Relationship with standard organizations
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== Relationship with standard organizations ==
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*Andy Piper
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*Ian Skerrett
 +
*Gaétan Morice
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*Benjamin Cabé
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*Patrick Dempsey
  
* Scott: ETSI is doing a lot in m2m space. MQTT particularly interested in OASIS. Continua health alliance …
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* Arlen: is there something to be done w/ CoAP?
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* Scott: should we engage a couple of vertical areas?
+
* Benjamin: standardization may not be the next important thing to focus on while we don't have much to share
+
* IBM and Eurotech are pushing MQTT to OASIS anyway, but the question is: would MQTT make sense for other standards orgs such as ETSI?
+
* Ian: no hurry while we don't have a better and common understanding of the m2m apps anatomy and so on
+
  
== Follow-up on f2f meeting actions ==
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== M2M meta-model  ==
* Metamodel first thoughts to be put by Benjamin on the wiki this week
+
* Benjamin to start discussing with Marco, Kai and Stefan to sync on the anatomy this week
+
* Ian: no progress on the communication perspective. need to get back in touch with Brian and Robert.
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* MQTT setup: need to hook the instance to Eclipse's LDAP
+
* Developer website: Denis is deploying a Drupal instance.
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* Paho code: Paho will follow parallel IP, Scott to update the group next week
+
  
== EclipseCon ==
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*Benjamin has put a first version of the M2M meta-model requirements on the wiki
* Meeting room reserved for wednesday afternoon for the group. May be reschedule in the morning if there are conflicts
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**It is very data-centric atm (which was identified has something very important during the IWG kick-off though)
* Scott, Andy, Arlen, Marco, Wes, Benjamin, Gaetan, … will be at the conference (editor's note: I may have forgotten names… sorry about that)
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**Members are encouraged to review it and provide feedback
* BoF on Wed. at 8.30pm
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*Koneki team will provide a first implementation of the meta-model in EMF (hopefuly this week)&nbsp;; and then tooling to edit model instances
  
 +
== M2M developers hub  ==
  
= 2012-02-07 =
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*Drupal instance has been set up
 +
**Ian to send credentials to Andy
 +
*Ian to send an e-mail to the mailing list to initiate discussions regarding graphical design (Arlen already mentioned that Robert from Eurotech could work on a logo&nbsp;; Sierra graphical designer could work on UX&nbsp;; ... )
 +
*EclipseCon will be the occasion to discuss when we want to put the site online (e.g. soft launch asap or wait until a more complete chain has been implemented?)
  
== Attendees ==
+
<br>
  
* Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
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= 2012-02-14  =
* Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
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* Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
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* Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
+
* Nick O'Leary, IBM
+
* Peter Niblett, IBM
+
* Scott DeDeugd, IBM
+
  
== Agenda ==
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== Attendees  ==
  
* Action items after kick-off
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*Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
 +
*Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
 +
*Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
 +
*Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
 +
*Nick O'Leary, IBM
 +
*Scott DeDeugd, IBM
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*Andy Piper
  
== Action items ==
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== Agenda  ==
  
* Developer hub/Web portal
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- Follow up on f2f meeting actions - EclipseCon - Relationship with standard organizations
** IBM to update the group about this item (wrt Andy leaving IBM)
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** Andy will probably still work on this though
+
** Sierra Wireless is interested in working on this hub, by providing Lua samples
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** Arlen: Eurotech would like to contribute its Java MQTT client
+
** Drupal instance to be set up at Eclipse
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*** m2m.eclipse.org would be the main URL
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*** m2m.eclipse.org/mqttsandbox would be the entry point for the Mosquitto broker that is to be deployed at eclipse
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** Robert to draft a logo for the M2MIWG portal
+
  
* M2M application anatomy: Marco and Kai to lead this
+
== Relationship with standard organizations  ==
  
* M2M metamodel: Benjamin to lead this
+
*Scott: ETSI is doing a lot in m2m space. MQTT particularly interested in OASIS. Continua health alliance …
** First thoughts should be put on the weeky before next week call
+
*Arlen: is there something to be done w/ CoAP?
** This will be food for thoughts for the M2M anatomy work package
+
*Scott: should we engage a couple of vertical areas?
 +
*Benjamin: standardization may not be the next important thing to focus on while we don't have much to share
 +
*IBM and Eurotech are pushing MQTT to OASIS anyway, but the question is: would MQTT make sense for other standards orgs such as ETSI?
 +
*Ian: no hurry while we don't have a better and common understanding of the m2m apps anatomy and so on
  
* The weekly IWG call will be used from now on to synchronize the different work items (metamodel, anatomy, marketecture, ...) and we will try to keep it 30-min long
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== Follow-up on f2f meeting actions  ==
  
 +
*Metamodel first thoughts to be put by Benjamin on the wiki this week
 +
*Benjamin to start discussing with Marco, Kai and Stefan to sync on the anatomy this week
 +
*Ian: no progress on the communication perspective. need to get back in touch with Brian and Robert.
 +
*MQTT setup: need to hook the instance to Eclipse's LDAP
 +
*Developer website: Denis is deploying a Drupal instance.
 +
*Paho code: Paho will follow parallel IP, Scott to update the group next week
  
= 2012-01-17 =
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== EclipseCon  ==
  
== Attendees ==
+
*Meeting room reserved for wednesday afternoon for the group. May be reschedule in the morning if there are conflicts
 +
*Scott, Andy, Arlen, Marco, Wes, Benjamin, Gaetan, … will be at the conference (editor's note: I may have forgotten names… sorry about that)
 +
*BoF on Wed. at 8.30pm
  
* Scott DeDeugd, IBM
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<br>
* Dave Locke, IBM
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* Andy Piper, IBM
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* Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
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* Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
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* Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
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* Kai Rudella, Bosch
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* Stefan Ferber, Bosch
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* Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
+
  
== Agenda ==
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= 2012-02-07  =
  
* Bosch introduction
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== Attendees  ==
* Paho
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* MQTT server at Eclipse
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* Marketing and Promotion ideas
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== Bosch introduction ==
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*Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
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*Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
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*Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
 +
*Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
 +
*Nick O'Leary, IBM
 +
*Peter Niblett, IBM
 +
*Scott DeDeugd, IBM
  
* IoT is something Bosch has a special interest in
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== Agenda  ==
* Bosch is manufacturer of "things" working autonomously and/or in interaction w/ other
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* Challenge: bring the Bosch product portfolio into the IoT
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* Bosch Software Innovation working on technology that would enable IoT for Bosch products
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* Bosch interested in seeing what Open Source community could provide
+
  
== Face-to-face meeting ==
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*Action items after kick-off
  
* Restaurant not picked up yet (will depend on the number of participants). Andy is coordinating this.
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== Action items  ==
  
== MQTT server at Eclipse ==
+
*Developer hub/Web portal
 +
**IBM to update the group about this item (wrt Andy leaving IBM)
 +
**Andy will probably still work on this though
 +
**Sierra Wireless is interested in working on this hub, by providing Lua samples
 +
**Arlen: Eurotech would like to contribute its Java MQTT client
 +
**Drupal instance to be set up at Eclipse  
 +
***m2m.eclipse.org would be the main URL
 +
***m2m.eclipse.org/mqttsandbox would be the entry point for the Mosquitto broker that is to be deployed at eclipse
 +
**Robert to draft a logo for the M2MIWG portal
  
* Arlen has been working with Eclipse IT and Roger Light
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*M2M application anatomy: Marco and Kai to lead this
* Arlen suggests that Eclipse users could have a dedicated topic if they asked for, so as everybody can make tests in their own sandboxes
+
  
== Marketing/Promotion ==
+
*M2M metamodel: Benjamin to lead this
 +
**First thoughts should be put on the weeky before next week call
 +
**This will be food for thoughts for the M2M anatomy work package
  
* This will be discussed during the Face-to-Face meeting
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*The weekly IWG call will be used from now on to synchronize the different work items (metamodel, anatomy, marketecture, ...) and we will try to keep it 30-min long
* There is an M2M event the 24th and the 25th of January in Berlin. Details will be posted on the list.
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<br>
  
= 2012-01-10 =
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= 2012-01-17  =
  
== Attendees ==  
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== Attendees ==
  
* Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
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*Scott DeDeugd, IBM
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
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*Dave Locke, IBM
* Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
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*Andy Piper, IBM
* Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
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*Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
* Andy Piper (IBM)
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*Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless  
* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
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*Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless  
* Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
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*Kai Rudella, Bosch
 +
*Stefan Ferber, Bosch
 +
*Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
  
== Agenda ==
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== Agenda ==
  
* Kick-off meeting preparation
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*Bosch introduction
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*Paho
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*MQTT server at Eclipse
 +
*Marketing and Promotion ideas
  
== Kick-off meeting ==
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== Bosch introduction  ==
  
* Ian has set up http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Jan31
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*IoT is something Bosch has a special interest in
* Andy needs to have the agenda and a more accurate list of the attendees to get badges and stuff
+
*Bosch is manufacturer of "things" working autonomously and/or in interaction w/ other
* Ian suggests that Sierra, IBM, Eurotech... make a 10-15 min presentation of their respective corporate strategy
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*Challenge: bring the Bosch product portfolio into the IoT
* Everybody working on inviting parties: Bosch, Intel/Windriver, Sensorlogic, ...
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*Bosch Software Innovation working on technology that would enable IoT for Bosch products
* Reminder that there will be a dinner the evening before the meeting
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*Bosch interested in seeing what Open Source community could provide
  
= 2011-12-13 =
+
== Face-to-face meeting  ==
  
== Attendees ==
+
*Restaurant not picked up yet (will depend on the number of participants). Andy is coordinating this.
  
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
+
== MQTT server at Eclipse ==
* Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
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* Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
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* Andy Piper (IBM)
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* Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
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* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
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* Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
+
  
== Agenda ==
+
*Arlen has been working with Eclipse IT and Roger Light
 +
*Arlen suggests that Eclipse users could have a dedicated topic if they asked for, so as everybody can make tests in their own sandboxes
  
* IWG charter and official creation
+
== Marketing/Promotion  ==
* Roadmap
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* Charter review
+
* Recruitment
+
  
== IWG charter and official creation ==
+
*This will be discussed during the Face-to-Face meeting
 +
*There is an M2M event the 24th and the 25th of January in Berlin. Details will be posted on the list.
  
* Ian will incorporate the suggested modification regarding Steerring Committee participation requirements.
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<br>
* Ian to send the announcement to the membership-at-large mailing-list later this week.
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* Sierra, IBM and Eurotech initial members of the Steering Committee.
+
  
== Roadmap ==
+
= 2012-01-10  =
  
* No progress.
+
== Attendees  ==
* Need to work on Paho and Koneki roadmaps before the F2F meeting.
+
  
== Recruitment ==
+
*Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
 +
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
 +
*Andy Piper (IBM)
 +
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
*Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
  
* Mike and Ian to talk to Axeda later today about their participation.
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== Agenda  ==
* Arlen to talk with someone from Telit.
+
* Mike: when would be the best timing to start recruiting projects? (eg Mosquitto)
+
** Arlen: we need to get the sandbox ready first
+
** Ben: it's important to define the structure of the Koneki and Paho projects to have a better understanding of where new projects would end up.
+
  
== Misc ==
+
*Kick-off meeting preparation
  
* Arlen and Scott will make a couple of M2M slidedecks available on the Wiki.
+
== Kick-off meeting ==
* '''Next call will be on Jan, 10th.'''
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* Face-to-face meeting: try to schedule a dinner for the day before the meeting (Jan 30th).
+
* Mike will share the address of a suggested hotel.
+
* Ian will advertise the meeting on his blog so as people interested can join.
+
* Andy will talk about the meeting at an IoT event in London tomorrow
+
  
= 2011-12-06 =
+
*Ian has set up http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Jan31
 +
*Andy needs to have the agenda and a more accurate list of the attendees to get badges and stuff
 +
*Ian suggests that Sierra, IBM, Eurotech... make a 10-15 min presentation of their respective corporate strategy
 +
*Everybody working on inviting parties: Bosch, Intel/Windriver, Sensorlogic, ...
 +
*Reminder that there will be a dinner the evening before the meeting
  
== Attendees ==
+
= 2011-12-13  =
  
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
+
== Attendees  ==
* Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
+
* Andy Piper (IBM)
+
* Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
+
* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
+
* Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
+
  
== Agenda ==
+
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
 +
*Andy Piper (IBM)
 +
*Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
 +
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
*Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
  
* Koneki and Paho updates
+
== Agenda  ==
* Charter review
+
* Recruitment
+
  
== Paho update ==
+
*IWG charter and official creation
 +
*Roadmap
 +
*Charter review
 +
*Recruitment
  
* Refactoring of the code ongoing internally at IBM (package names renaming...)
+
== IWG charter and official creation  ==
* Eurotech also doing refactoring on its side.
+
  
== Koneki update ==
+
*Ian will incorporate the suggested modification regarding Steerring Committee participation requirements.
 +
*Ian to send the announcement to the membership-at-large mailing-list later this week.
 +
*Sierra, IBM and Eurotech initial members of the Steering Committee.
  
* Working on the project plan for the face-to-face meeting (application models, simulators)
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== Roadmap  ==
  
== Charter review ==
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*No progress.
 +
*Need to work on Paho and Koneki roadmaps before the F2F meeting.
  
* Benjamin: can we make it clearer what 2 ppl exactly means in the requirement to be part of the Steering Committee
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== Recruitment  ==
* Ian: We should clarify what it means to be actively participating: being an active committer, ...
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** ==> Ian to draft something in that direction
+
* Andy to check how many FTE actually working on M2MIWG related stuff
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* Additions in the "Interested parties" section of the charter: Axeda, Band XI.
+
  
== Face to Face meeting ==
+
*Mike and Ian to talk to Axeda later today about their participation.
 +
*Arlen to talk with someone from Telit.
 +
*Mike: when would be the best timing to start recruiting projects? (eg Mosquitto)
 +
**Arlen: we need to get the sandbox ready first
 +
**Ben: it's important to define the structure of the Koneki and Paho projects to have a better understanding of where new projects would end up.
  
* Jan. 31st is confirmed.
+
== Misc  ==
  
== Recruitment ==
+
*Arlen and Scott will make a couple of M2M slidedecks available on the Wiki.
 +
*'''Next call will be on Jan, 10th.'''
 +
*Face-to-face meeting: try to schedule a dinner for the day before the meeting (Jan 30th).
 +
*Mike will share the address of a suggested hotel.
 +
*Ian will advertise the meeting on his blog so as people interested can join.
 +
*Andy will talk about the meeting at an IoT event in London tomorrow
  
* Axeda is joining the Eclipse Foundation and interested in joining the IWG.
+
= 2011-12-06  =
* Mike highlights that we need to stimulate the participation of other companies.
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* Ian: we should invite companies to our F2F meeting, even though this is a members meeting.
+
* Bosch, Pachube, Windriver
+
* Ian suggest we try to invite a carrier. Benjamin to check for a contact at Sprint.
+
* Ian: from the outside(feedback from Thingworx, for example), the IWG initiative looks very MQTT-centric, maybe we need to clarify this.
+
  
== Misc. ==
+
== Attendees  ==
  
* Mike to check with Arlen how things are going regarding the setup of the Mosquitto sandbox
+
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
* EclipseCon
+
*Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
** IWG talk has been declined, 1 Koneki talk (Lua Development Tools), 1 Paho talk.
+
*Andy Piper (IBM)
** Ian: if we want to have a F2F meeting at EclipseCon, it is possible to book meeting rooms
+
*Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)  
 +
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
*Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
  
= 2011-11-29 =
+
== Agenda  ==
  
== Attendees ==
+
*Koneki and Paho updates
 +
*Charter review
 +
*Recruitment
  
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
+
== Paho update  ==
* Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
+
* Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
+
* Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
+
* Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
+
* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
+
* Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
+
  
== Agenda ==
+
*Refactoring of the code ongoing internally at IBM (package names renaming...)
 +
*Eurotech also doing refactoring on its side.
  
* Charter review
+
== Koneki update ==
* Roadmap
+
* Recruiting update
+
  
== Charter review ==
+
*Working on the project plan for the face-to-face meeting (application models, simulators)
  
* Get rid of the tentative roadmap section because it is stale in terms of timeline and we now have a dedicated roadmap document
+
== Charter review ==
* Membership rules: two different levels of membership so as it is still meritocracy based even though the group is open to everyone
+
** Is 2 ppl the right number of full-time appointed resources needed to be part of the steering committee?
+
*** "Appoint at least 2 developers/technical resources to contribute to the creation of M2M WG technologies" means that resources can also work on sponsored projects
+
*** Everybody agrees on the way membership rules are formulated
+
** What would be the requirements in terms of advocacy?
+
** Ian to propose something going in this direction
+
* Creation could (should) happen on Dec. 8th (since review started Nov. 8th)
+
** The list of initial members of the Steering Committee has to be finalized by then
+
** Mike and Scott suggest to send a remainder so as more people can have a chance to look at the charter
+
** Mike reminds that any Eclipse Fdn member meeting the participation requirements is in.
+
** Scott: we're not in a hurry to formally start the WG.
+
** Sierra Wireless, IBM and Eurotech to internally confirm that they want/will be part of the SC.
+
  
== Roadmap ==
+
*Benjamin: can we make it clearer what 2 ppl exactly means in the requirement to be part of the Steering Committee
 +
*Ian: We should clarify what it means to be actively participating: being an active committer, ...
 +
**==&gt; Ian to draft something in that direction
 +
*Andy to check how many FTE actually working on M2MIWG related stuff
 +
*Additions in the "Interested parties" section of the charter: Axeda, Band XI.
  
* Programming model
+
== Face to Face meeting  ==
** Benjamin: more than programming model, what we certainly want to mention an "application model" (contract between embedded and server: description of data exchanged, communication interfaces, …)
+
** Patrick to have a look and see internally if Band XI would be interested
+
** Benjamin to provide more information regarding this model topic.
+
  
== Face-to-face meeting ==
+
*Jan. 31st is confirmed.
  
* Date of 31st Jan. in IBM Hursley still on
+
== Recruitment  ==
  
== Recruitment ==
+
*Axeda is joining the Eclipse Foundation and interested in joining the IWG.
 +
*Mike highlights that we need to stimulate the participation of other companies.
 +
*Ian: we should invite companies to our F2F meeting, even though this is a members meeting.
 +
*Bosch, Pachube, Windriver
 +
*Ian suggest we try to invite a carrier. Benjamin to check for a contact at Sprint.
 +
*Ian: from the outside(feedback from Thingworx, for example), the IWG initiative looks very MQTT-centric, maybe we need to clarify this.
  
* Ian to come back to the handful of interested parties to see what would be their timeframe to join and see how that fits with the tentative launch date of Dec, 8th.
+
== Misc.  ==
 +
 
 +
*Mike to check with Arlen how things are going regarding the setup of the Mosquitto sandbox
 +
*EclipseCon
 +
**IWG talk has been declined, 1 Koneki talk (Lua Development Tools), 1 Paho talk.
 +
**Ian: if we want to have a F2F meeting at EclipseCon, it is possible to book meeting rooms
 +
 
 +
= 2011-11-29  =
 +
 
 +
== Attendees  ==
 +
 
 +
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
 +
*Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
 +
*Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
 +
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
*Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
 
 +
== Agenda  ==
 +
 
 +
*Charter review
 +
*Roadmap
 +
*Recruiting update
 +
 
 +
== Charter review  ==
 +
 
 +
*Get rid of the tentative roadmap section because it is stale in terms of timeline and we now have a dedicated roadmap document
 +
*Membership rules: two different levels of membership so as it is still meritocracy based even though the group is open to everyone
 +
**Is 2 ppl the right number of full-time appointed resources needed to be part of the steering committee?
 +
***"Appoint at least 2 developers/technical resources to contribute to the creation of M2M WG technologies" means that resources can also work on sponsored projects
 +
***Everybody agrees on the way membership rules are formulated
 +
**What would be the requirements in terms of advocacy?
 +
**Ian to propose something going in this direction
 +
*Creation could (should) happen on Dec. 8th (since review started Nov. 8th)
 +
**The list of initial members of the Steering Committee has to be finalized by then
 +
**Mike and Scott suggest to send a remainder so as more people can have a chance to look at the charter
 +
**Mike reminds that any Eclipse Fdn member meeting the participation requirements is in.
 +
**Scott: we're not in a hurry to formally start the WG.
 +
**Sierra Wireless, IBM and Eurotech to internally confirm that they want/will be part of the SC.
 +
 
 +
== Roadmap  ==
 +
 
 +
*Programming model
 +
**Benjamin: more than programming model, what we certainly want to mention an "application model" (contract between embedded and server: description of data exchanged, communication interfaces, …)
 +
**Patrick to have a look and see internally if Band XI would be interested
 +
**Benjamin to provide more information regarding this model topic.
 +
 
 +
== Face-to-face meeting  ==
 +
 
 +
*Date of 31st Jan. in IBM Hursley still on
 +
 
 +
== Recruitment  ==
 +
 
 +
*Ian to come back to the handful of interested parties to see what would be their timeframe to join and see how that fits with the tentative launch date of Dec, 8th.
  
 
= 22nd Nov. 2011  =
 
= 22nd Nov. 2011  =
  
== Attendees ==
+
== Attendees ==
  
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
+
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)  
* Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
+
*Scott DeDeugd (IBM)  
* Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
+
*Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)  
* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
+
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)  
* Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
+
*Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)
  
== Agenda ==
+
== Agenda ==
  
* Review of the first draft of roadmap
+
*Review of the first draft of roadmap  
* Face to face meeting
+
*Face to face meeting  
* Recruitment  
+
*Recruitment  
* Mosquitto setup
+
*Mosquitto setup
  
== Review of the first draft of the roadmap ==
+
== Review of the first draft of the roadmap ==
  
* Overview and background
+
*Overview and background  
** Ian: we should define M2M better in the first section
+
**Ian: we should define M2M better in the first section  
** Ian: is the roadmap only related to Eclipse projects?
+
**Ian: is the roadmap only related to Eclipse projects?  
** Ian: highlight that we want to build an industry consortium
+
**Ian: highlight that we want to build an industry consortium  
* Basic Principles
+
*Basic Principles  
** Arlen: the feedback on MQTT recent announcements is that ppl think that everybody seems to pick his specific protocol and promote it / try to turn it into a standard
+
**Arlen: the feedback on MQTT recent announcements is that ppl think that everybody seems to pick his specific protocol and promote it / try to turn it into a standard  
** Mike & Arlen: we are fine with existing protocols (recent discussion about DNP 3.0 in MQTT google group), we don't aim at replacing them. We want to be above existing protocols.
+
**Mike &amp; Arlen: we are fine with existing protocols (recent discussion about DNP 3.0 in MQTT google group), we don't aim at replacing them. We want to be above existing protocols.  
** There are questions still open in this section. Let's keep them as is and put the roadmap draft on the wiki.
+
**There are questions still open in this section. Let's keep them as is and put the roadmap draft on the wiki.  
** Arlen: use cases definition is a difficult task ; especially if we have carriers involved (difficult to end up with use cases which are not too generic)
+
**Arlen: use cases definition is a difficult task&nbsp;; especially if we have carriers involved (difficult to end up with use cases which are not too generic)  
* M2M vision, purpose & scope
+
*M2M vision, purpose &amp; scope
  
''Mike reminds that the charter is not final yet. We are in a 30-day period where the community can give feedback. Even after that period of time, updates to the charter are still possible though.''
+
''Mike reminds that the charter is not final yet. We are in a 30-day period where the community can give feedback. Even after that period of time, updates to the charter are still possible though.'' ''The M2M Industry Working Group is part of an Open Source Foundation: we are looking at code contributions, not ending up with standards/open standards.''  
''The M2M Industry Working Group is part of an Open Source Foundation: we are looking at code contributions, not ending up with standards/open standards.''
+
  
** Ian: detail as much as possible where we want to go. What would be the success criteria for Koneki, for Paho
+
**Ian: detail as much as possible where we want to go. What would be the success criteria for Koneki, for Paho  
** Synchronize the roadmap of individual projects / be sure they are in sync with the global roadmap of the IWG itself.
+
**Synchronize the roadmap of individual projects / be sure they are in sync with the global roadmap of the IWG itself.  
** Mike: if Mosquitto is going to be hosted at Eclipse, it has to be in the scope
+
**Mike: if Mosquitto is going to be hosted at Eclipse, it has to be in the scope  
** Ian: we should have a bottom-up approach --> "Here is what we want to accomplish, do you want to help us?"
+
**Ian: we should have a bottom-up approach --&gt; "Here is what we want to accomplish, do you want to help us?"  
** Mike: need to have short iterations if possible
+
**Mike: need to have short iterations if possible  
* Near term direction
+
*Near term direction  
** Everybody agrees that 12-18 months is a good duration (revision of the roadmap in ~6 months if needed)
+
**Everybody agrees that 12-18 months is a good duration (revision of the roadmap in ~6 months if needed)  
** Ian: roadmap v1.0 will have to be voted (as well as how to revise it)
+
**Ian: roadmap v1.0 will have to be voted (as well as how to revise it)  
* Roadmap process:
+
*Roadmap process:  
** Mike: say that we solicit feedback from the community, but mentioning that the steering committee will have to vote/approve changes
+
**Mike: say that we solicit feedback from the community, but mentioning that the steering committee will have to vote/approve changes
  
== Face-to-face meeting ==
+
== Face-to-face meeting ==
  
* suggested date is Jan. 31st, in IBM Hursley
+
*suggested date is Jan. 31st, in IBM Hursley  
* TBC before Christmas.
+
*TBC before Christmas.
  
== Recruitment ==
+
== Recruitment ==
  
* Members of the IWG discussed about companies that might be interested in joining the IWG (and becoming members of the EF)
+
*Members of the IWG discussed about companies that might be interested in joining the IWG (and becoming members of the EF)  
* Recruiting universities and research institutes would be very valuable: they could run their projects as Eclipse projects…
+
*Recruiting universities and research institutes would be very valuable: they could run their projects as Eclipse projects…
  
== Mosquitto setup at Eclipse ==  
+
== Mosquitto setup at Eclipse ==
  
* Ian and Arlen still need to setup a meeting with Eclipse webmasters (user management, ACL, …)
+
*Ian and Arlen still need to setup a meeting with Eclipse webmasters (user management, ACL, …)
  
 
= 15th Nov. 2011  =
 
= 15th Nov. 2011  =
  
== Attendees ==
+
== Attendees ==
 +
 
 +
*Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Jean-Yves Reynaud (Sierra Wireless)
 +
*Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
 +
*Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
 +
*Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
 +
 
 +
== EclipseCon feedback  ==
 +
 
 +
*BoF
 +
**About 10-12 interested people: home automation hobbyists, ppl working in companies interested in M2M
 +
**We need to agree on a common terminology: Benjamin to initialize a page on the wiki
 +
**We need to come up with a "big picture"
 +
**People don't quite get how MQTT will address the fragmentation in terms of "local" protocols (Modbus, CANbus, …)
 +
***clarify what MQTT is and what MQTT is not
 +
**"Communication challenge" ahead: everybody has its own definition of M2M
 +
**We need a roadmap!
 +
*Modeling / Hobbyists
 +
**People really interested by the approach where you work on the abstraction of what the application is doing (e.g. get a temperature every 10 min)
 +
*Setup a Mosquitto instance at Eclipse to lower the barrier for people (inc. hobbyists) to prototype more easily?
 +
**Deploy an Ubuntu version of Mosquitto at eclipse.org
 +
**Set-up to be discussed with Eclipse webmaster (Arlen and Ian)
 +
 
 +
== Paho update  ==
 +
 
 +
*Code is ready to go. (3.0 version of MQTT)
 +
*CQ for IP review to be open soon
 +
*Proposal to be clarified re: server-side stuff
 +
 
 +
== Koneki update  ==
 +
 
 +
*Lua Dev Tools now available on the market
 +
*Great feedback so far from the Lua community
 +
 
 +
== EclipseCon 2012  ==
  
* Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
+
*Benjamin to submit the proposal, Benjamin and Scott speakers.
* Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
+
*Ian suggest to submit technical proposals by Friday 18th! (Target "Mobile" and "Embedded" tracks)
* Jean-Yves Reynaud (Sierra Wireless)
+
* Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
+
* Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
+
* Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
+
  
== EclipseCon feedback ==
+
== What next?  ==
* BoF
+
** About 10-12 interested people: home automation hobbyists, ppl working in companies interested in M2M
+
** We need to agree on a common terminology: Benjamin to initialize a page on the wiki
+
** We need to come up with a "big picture"
+
** People don't quite get how MQTT will address the fragmentation in terms of "local" protocols (Modbus, CANbus, …)
+
*** clarify what MQTT is and what MQTT is not
+
** "Communication challenge" ahead: everybody has its own definition of M2M
+
** We need a roadmap!
+
* Modeling / Hobbyists
+
** People really interested by the approach where you work on the abstraction of what the application is doing (e.g. get a temperature every 10 min)
+
* Setup a Mosquitto instance at Eclipse to lower the barrier for people (inc. hobbyists) to prototype more easily?
+
** Deploy an Ubuntu version of Mosquitto at eclipse.org
+
** Set-up to be discussed with Eclipse webmaster (Arlen and Ian)
+
  
==  Paho update ==
+
*Roadmap  
* Code is ready to go. (3.0 version of MQTT)
+
**Focus on what we think m2m/IoT should be  
* CQ for IP review to be open soon
+
**Define the marketecture / big picture  
* Proposal to be clarified re: server-side stuff
+
***Everybody is encouraged to put ideas on the wiki  
== Koneki update ==
+
***Scott to put a first draft on the wiki for next week  
* Lua Dev Tools now available on the market
+
**Arlen suggest to put together an FAQ  
* Great feedback so far from the Lua community
+
*Face-to-Face meeting  
== EclipseCon 2012 ==
+
**Ian: face-to-face meeting purpose would be to come up with version 1.0 of the roadmap  
* Benjamin to submit the proposal, Benjamin and Scott speakers.
+
**Face-to-Face meeting tentative at the end of January: 30th or 31st in London area  
* Ian suggest to submit technical proposals by Friday 18th! (Target "Mobile" and "Embedded" tracks)
+
*Interested parties  
==  What next? ==
+
**Ian: should we try to recruit at least one carrier in the IWG?  
* Roadmap
+
***Yes, but we need an actual roadmap first
** Focus on what we think m2m/IoT should be
+
** Define the marketecture / big picture
+
*** Everybody is encouraged to put ideas on the wiki
+
*** Scott to put a first draft on the wiki for next week
+
** Arlen suggest to put together an FAQ
+
* Face-to-Face meeting
+
** Ian: face-to-face meeting purpose would be to come up with version 1.0 of the roadmap
+
** Face-to-Face meeting tentative at the end of January: 30th or 31st in London area
+
* Interested parties
+
** Ian: should we try to recruit at least one carrier in the IWG?  
+
*** Yes, but we need an actual roadmap first
+

Revision as of 14:09, 15 March 2012

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2012-03-13

Attendees

  • Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
  • Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
  • Scott DeDeugd, IBM
  • Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
  • Marco Carrer, Eurotech
  • James Branigan, Band XI

note: due to time zone changes, some members could not attend


Discussion on Metamodel Description:

Benjamin has updated the metamodel description on the Wiki with an introduction and purpose. No specific comments yet. Benjamin will send a note out to the mailing list to encourage review and comments. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/M2MIWG/M2M_meta-model

Question came up on whether the metamodel is intended for use in the tooling for application integration and development, or also for defining device parameters and data interface to external systems? Benjamin responded that it is intended primarily for application development but once defined it could also be used for open interface integration.

A request was made to include an example of instantiating the metamodel. Benjamin was agreeable to this but said he cannot get to it until after EclipseCon.

Discussion on Scenarios/Problems Description:

A proposed format and examples for the Scenarios and related Problems are now on the Wiki. Arlen was OK with format and will add some relevant scenarios. Scott will send a note out to the mailing list to encourage review, comments and contributions. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/M2MIWG/M2M_Scenarios

Updates on Project work:

  • Koneki: team is working to be part of Juno release stream
  • Paho: C code available now. Java code ready and is getting new package names before release.
  • M2M Sandbox Server: This is running now. Access control needs to be addressed. Ian will try to get someone from Eclipse IT to the F2F meeting. Arlen has some simple start-up documentation he will provide.

Agenda for EclipseCon meeting

Scott will update Wiki with items discussed today.

  • Sandbox access control
  • Discussion around a 2012 focus on “user experience” with Koneki, Paho and Sandbox.
  • Participants should add themselves to the dedicated wiki page


2012-02-28

Attendees

  • Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
  • Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
  • Scott DeDeugd, IBM
  • Peter Niblett, IBM
  • Dave Locke, IBM
  • Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
  • Marco Carrer, Eurotech
  • Andy Piper
  • Patrick Dempsey, Band XI
  • James Branigan, Band XI

M2M meta-model

(note from Benjamin: sorry that I likely did forget to write down some of the discussions around the model, feel free to complete!)

  • Benjamin will add a preamble to the wiki page to describe in more details the purpose of the meta-model
  • Peter: how about devices and sensors acting as data feeds?
  • Arlen: it is more about devices and brokers than devices and servers.
  • Scott: oBIX may be a good model to describe data. Arlen had use cases with oBIX and MQTT.

M2M app anatomy, scenarios

  • Arlen and Scott will provide a first draft of the description of data manipulation: how to send it, how to receive it...

Chairperson

  • Ian reminds that the chairperson is setting meetings agendas, and running the meetings
  • The chairperson must be from a strategic or enterprise member company, and only IBM is falling into this category
  • Scott to take the chairperson role
  • It is suggested that the chairperson (and co-chairs if any) should be renewed every year

Agenda for EclipseCon meeting

  • The meeting could start earlier if needed (even though there's the keynote in the morning)
  • There will be a couple of newcomers (QNX, Thingworx, ...), maybe it'd make sense to present them the activities of the Group during the BoF and use the F2F meeting
  • The main topics would be the M2M meta-model and marketing.
  • Participants should add themselves to the dedicated wiki page

Paho update

  • Dave to post update regarding ETA of the Paho initial contribution on paho-dev mailing-list.

2012-02-21

Attendees

  • Andy Piper
  • Ian Skerrett
  • Gaétan Morice
  • Benjamin Cabé
  • Patrick Dempsey


M2M meta-model

  • Benjamin has put a first version of the M2M meta-model requirements on the wiki
    • It is very data-centric atm (which was identified has something very important during the IWG kick-off though)
    • Members are encouraged to review it and provide feedback
  • Koneki team will provide a first implementation of the meta-model in EMF (hopefuly this week) ; and then tooling to edit model instances

M2M developers hub

  • Drupal instance has been set up
    • Ian to send credentials to Andy
  • Ian to send an e-mail to the mailing list to initiate discussions regarding graphical design (Arlen already mentioned that Robert from Eurotech could work on a logo ; Sierra graphical designer could work on UX ; ... )
  • EclipseCon will be the occasion to discuss when we want to put the site online (e.g. soft launch asap or wait until a more complete chain has been implemented?)


2012-02-14

Attendees

  • Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
  • Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
  • Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
  • Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
  • Nick O'Leary, IBM
  • Scott DeDeugd, IBM
  • Andy Piper

Agenda

- Follow up on f2f meeting actions - EclipseCon - Relationship with standard organizations

Relationship with standard organizations

  • Scott: ETSI is doing a lot in m2m space. MQTT particularly interested in OASIS. Continua health alliance …
  • Arlen: is there something to be done w/ CoAP?
  • Scott: should we engage a couple of vertical areas?
  • Benjamin: standardization may not be the next important thing to focus on while we don't have much to share
  • IBM and Eurotech are pushing MQTT to OASIS anyway, but the question is: would MQTT make sense for other standards orgs such as ETSI?
  • Ian: no hurry while we don't have a better and common understanding of the m2m apps anatomy and so on

Follow-up on f2f meeting actions

  • Metamodel first thoughts to be put by Benjamin on the wiki this week
  • Benjamin to start discussing with Marco, Kai and Stefan to sync on the anatomy this week
  • Ian: no progress on the communication perspective. need to get back in touch with Brian and Robert.
  • MQTT setup: need to hook the instance to Eclipse's LDAP
  • Developer website: Denis is deploying a Drupal instance.
  • Paho code: Paho will follow parallel IP, Scott to update the group next week

EclipseCon

  • Meeting room reserved for wednesday afternoon for the group. May be reschedule in the morning if there are conflicts
  • Scott, Andy, Arlen, Marco, Wes, Benjamin, Gaetan, … will be at the conference (editor's note: I may have forgotten names… sorry about that)
  • BoF on Wed. at 8.30pm


2012-02-07

Attendees

  • Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
  • Arlen Nipper, Eurotech
  • Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
  • Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
  • Nick O'Leary, IBM
  • Peter Niblett, IBM
  • Scott DeDeugd, IBM

Agenda

  • Action items after kick-off

Action items

  • Developer hub/Web portal
    • IBM to update the group about this item (wrt Andy leaving IBM)
    • Andy will probably still work on this though
    • Sierra Wireless is interested in working on this hub, by providing Lua samples
    • Arlen: Eurotech would like to contribute its Java MQTT client
    • Drupal instance to be set up at Eclipse
      • m2m.eclipse.org would be the main URL
      • m2m.eclipse.org/mqttsandbox would be the entry point for the Mosquitto broker that is to be deployed at eclipse
    • Robert to draft a logo for the M2MIWG portal
  • M2M application anatomy: Marco and Kai to lead this
  • M2M metamodel: Benjamin to lead this
    • First thoughts should be put on the weeky before next week call
    • This will be food for thoughts for the M2M anatomy work package
  • The weekly IWG call will be used from now on to synchronize the different work items (metamodel, anatomy, marketecture, ...) and we will try to keep it 30-min long


2012-01-17

Attendees

  • Scott DeDeugd, IBM
  • Dave Locke, IBM
  • Andy Piper, IBM
  • Ian Skerrett, Eclipse Foundation
  • Benjamin Cabé, Sierra Wireless
  • Gaétan Morice, Sierra Wireless
  • Kai Rudella, Bosch
  • Stefan Ferber, Bosch
  • Arlen Nipper, Eurotech

Agenda

  • Bosch introduction
  • Paho
  • MQTT server at Eclipse
  • Marketing and Promotion ideas

Bosch introduction

  • IoT is something Bosch has a special interest in
  • Bosch is manufacturer of "things" working autonomously and/or in interaction w/ other
  • Challenge: bring the Bosch product portfolio into the IoT
  • Bosch Software Innovation working on technology that would enable IoT for Bosch products
  • Bosch interested in seeing what Open Source community could provide

Face-to-face meeting

  • Restaurant not picked up yet (will depend on the number of participants). Andy is coordinating this.

MQTT server at Eclipse

  • Arlen has been working with Eclipse IT and Roger Light
  • Arlen suggests that Eclipse users could have a dedicated topic if they asked for, so as everybody can make tests in their own sandboxes

Marketing/Promotion

  • This will be discussed during the Face-to-Face meeting
  • There is an M2M event the 24th and the 25th of January in Berlin. Details will be posted on the list.


2012-01-10

Attendees

  • Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
  • Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
  • Andy Piper (IBM)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
  • Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)

Agenda

  • Kick-off meeting preparation

Kick-off meeting

  • Ian has set up http://wiki.eclipse.org/Machine-to-Machine/Face-2-Face-Meeting-Jan31
  • Andy needs to have the agenda and a more accurate list of the attendees to get badges and stuff
  • Ian suggests that Sierra, IBM, Eurotech... make a 10-15 min presentation of their respective corporate strategy
  • Everybody working on inviting parties: Bosch, Intel/Windriver, Sensorlogic, ...
  • Reminder that there will be a dinner the evening before the meeting

2011-12-13

Attendees

  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
  • Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
  • Andy Piper (IBM)
  • Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
  • Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)

Agenda

  • IWG charter and official creation
  • Roadmap
  • Charter review
  • Recruitment

IWG charter and official creation

  • Ian will incorporate the suggested modification regarding Steerring Committee participation requirements.
  • Ian to send the announcement to the membership-at-large mailing-list later this week.
  • Sierra, IBM and Eurotech initial members of the Steering Committee.

Roadmap

  • No progress.
  • Need to work on Paho and Koneki roadmaps before the F2F meeting.

Recruitment

  • Mike and Ian to talk to Axeda later today about their participation.
  • Arlen to talk with someone from Telit.
  • Mike: when would be the best timing to start recruiting projects? (eg Mosquitto)
    • Arlen: we need to get the sandbox ready first
    • Ben: it's important to define the structure of the Koneki and Paho projects to have a better understanding of where new projects would end up.

Misc

  • Arlen and Scott will make a couple of M2M slidedecks available on the Wiki.
  • Next call will be on Jan, 10th.
  • Face-to-face meeting: try to schedule a dinner for the day before the meeting (Jan 30th).
  • Mike will share the address of a suggested hotel.
  • Ian will advertise the meeting on his blog so as people interested can join.
  • Andy will talk about the meeting at an IoT event in London tomorrow

2011-12-06

Attendees

  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
  • Andy Piper (IBM)
  • Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
  • Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)

Agenda

  • Koneki and Paho updates
  • Charter review
  • Recruitment

Paho update

  • Refactoring of the code ongoing internally at IBM (package names renaming...)
  • Eurotech also doing refactoring on its side.

Koneki update

  • Working on the project plan for the face-to-face meeting (application models, simulators)

Charter review

  • Benjamin: can we make it clearer what 2 ppl exactly means in the requirement to be part of the Steering Committee
  • Ian: We should clarify what it means to be actively participating: being an active committer, ...
    • ==> Ian to draft something in that direction
  • Andy to check how many FTE actually working on M2MIWG related stuff
  • Additions in the "Interested parties" section of the charter: Axeda, Band XI.

Face to Face meeting

  • Jan. 31st is confirmed.

Recruitment

  • Axeda is joining the Eclipse Foundation and interested in joining the IWG.
  • Mike highlights that we need to stimulate the participation of other companies.
  • Ian: we should invite companies to our F2F meeting, even though this is a members meeting.
  • Bosch, Pachube, Windriver
  • Ian suggest we try to invite a carrier. Benjamin to check for a contact at Sprint.
  • Ian: from the outside(feedback from Thingworx, for example), the IWG initiative looks very MQTT-centric, maybe we need to clarify this.

Misc.

  • Mike to check with Arlen how things are going regarding the setup of the Mosquitto sandbox
  • EclipseCon
    • IWG talk has been declined, 1 Koneki talk (Lua Development Tools), 1 Paho talk.
    • Ian: if we want to have a F2F meeting at EclipseCon, it is possible to book meeting rooms

2011-11-29

Attendees

  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
  • Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
  • Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
  • Patrick Dempsey (Band XI)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
  • Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)

Agenda

  • Charter review
  • Roadmap
  • Recruiting update

Charter review

  • Get rid of the tentative roadmap section because it is stale in terms of timeline and we now have a dedicated roadmap document
  • Membership rules: two different levels of membership so as it is still meritocracy based even though the group is open to everyone
    • Is 2 ppl the right number of full-time appointed resources needed to be part of the steering committee?
      • "Appoint at least 2 developers/technical resources to contribute to the creation of M2M WG technologies" means that resources can also work on sponsored projects
      • Everybody agrees on the way membership rules are formulated
    • What would be the requirements in terms of advocacy?
    • Ian to propose something going in this direction
  • Creation could (should) happen on Dec. 8th (since review started Nov. 8th)
    • The list of initial members of the Steering Committee has to be finalized by then
    • Mike and Scott suggest to send a remainder so as more people can have a chance to look at the charter
    • Mike reminds that any Eclipse Fdn member meeting the participation requirements is in.
    • Scott: we're not in a hurry to formally start the WG.
    • Sierra Wireless, IBM and Eurotech to internally confirm that they want/will be part of the SC.

Roadmap

  • Programming model
    • Benjamin: more than programming model, what we certainly want to mention an "application model" (contract between embedded and server: description of data exchanged, communication interfaces, …)
    • Patrick to have a look and see internally if Band XI would be interested
    • Benjamin to provide more information regarding this model topic.

Face-to-face meeting

  • Date of 31st Jan. in IBM Hursley still on

Recruitment

  • Ian to come back to the handful of interested parties to see what would be their timeframe to join and see how that fits with the tentative launch date of Dec, 8th.

22nd Nov. 2011

Attendees

  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
  • Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)
  • Mike Milinkovich (Eclipse Fdn)

Agenda

  • Review of the first draft of roadmap
  • Face to face meeting
  • Recruitment
  • Mosquitto setup

Review of the first draft of the roadmap

  • Overview and background
    • Ian: we should define M2M better in the first section
    • Ian: is the roadmap only related to Eclipse projects?
    • Ian: highlight that we want to build an industry consortium
  • Basic Principles
    • Arlen: the feedback on MQTT recent announcements is that ppl think that everybody seems to pick his specific protocol and promote it / try to turn it into a standard
    • Mike & Arlen: we are fine with existing protocols (recent discussion about DNP 3.0 in MQTT google group), we don't aim at replacing them. We want to be above existing protocols.
    • There are questions still open in this section. Let's keep them as is and put the roadmap draft on the wiki.
    • Arlen: use cases definition is a difficult task ; especially if we have carriers involved (difficult to end up with use cases which are not too generic)
  • M2M vision, purpose & scope

Mike reminds that the charter is not final yet. We are in a 30-day period where the community can give feedback. Even after that period of time, updates to the charter are still possible though. The M2M Industry Working Group is part of an Open Source Foundation: we are looking at code contributions, not ending up with standards/open standards.

    • Ian: detail as much as possible where we want to go. What would be the success criteria for Koneki, for Paho
    • Synchronize the roadmap of individual projects / be sure they are in sync with the global roadmap of the IWG itself.
    • Mike: if Mosquitto is going to be hosted at Eclipse, it has to be in the scope
    • Ian: we should have a bottom-up approach --> "Here is what we want to accomplish, do you want to help us?"
    • Mike: need to have short iterations if possible
  • Near term direction
    • Everybody agrees that 12-18 months is a good duration (revision of the roadmap in ~6 months if needed)
    • Ian: roadmap v1.0 will have to be voted (as well as how to revise it)
  • Roadmap process:
    • Mike: say that we solicit feedback from the community, but mentioning that the steering committee will have to vote/approve changes

Face-to-face meeting

  • suggested date is Jan. 31st, in IBM Hursley
  • TBC before Christmas.

Recruitment

  • Members of the IWG discussed about companies that might be interested in joining the IWG (and becoming members of the EF)
  • Recruiting universities and research institutes would be very valuable: they could run their projects as Eclipse projects…

Mosquitto setup at Eclipse

  • Ian and Arlen still need to setup a meeting with Eclipse webmasters (user management, ACL, …)

15th Nov. 2011

Attendees

  • Benjamin Cabé (Sierra Wireless)
  • Gaétan Morice (Sierra Wireless)
  • Jean-Yves Reynaud (Sierra Wireless)
  • Scott DeDeugd (IBM)
  • Arlen Nipper (Eurotech)
  • Ian Skerrett (Eclipse Fdn)

EclipseCon feedback

  • BoF
    • About 10-12 interested people: home automation hobbyists, ppl working in companies interested in M2M
    • We need to agree on a common terminology: Benjamin to initialize a page on the wiki
    • We need to come up with a "big picture"
    • People don't quite get how MQTT will address the fragmentation in terms of "local" protocols (Modbus, CANbus, …)
      • clarify what MQTT is and what MQTT is not
    • "Communication challenge" ahead: everybody has its own definition of M2M
    • We need a roadmap!
  • Modeling / Hobbyists
    • People really interested by the approach where you work on the abstraction of what the application is doing (e.g. get a temperature every 10 min)
  • Setup a Mosquitto instance at Eclipse to lower the barrier for people (inc. hobbyists) to prototype more easily?
    • Deploy an Ubuntu version of Mosquitto at eclipse.org
    • Set-up to be discussed with Eclipse webmaster (Arlen and Ian)

Paho update

  • Code is ready to go. (3.0 version of MQTT)
  • CQ for IP review to be open soon
  • Proposal to be clarified re: server-side stuff

Koneki update

  • Lua Dev Tools now available on the market
  • Great feedback so far from the Lua community

EclipseCon 2012

  • Benjamin to submit the proposal, Benjamin and Scott speakers.
  • Ian suggest to submit technical proposals by Friday 18th! (Target "Mobile" and "Embedded" tracks)

What next?

  • Roadmap
    • Focus on what we think m2m/IoT should be
    • Define the marketecture / big picture
      • Everybody is encouraged to put ideas on the wiki
      • Scott to put a first draft on the wiki for next week
    • Arlen suggest to put together an FAQ
  • Face-to-Face meeting
    • Ian: face-to-face meeting purpose would be to come up with version 1.0 of the roadmap
    • Face-to-Face meeting tentative at the end of January: 30th or 31st in London area
  • Interested parties
    • Ian: should we try to recruit at least one carrier in the IWG?
      • Yes, but we need an actual roadmap first

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