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Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every wednesday at 10.30am EST.

Meeting Minutes

March 20, 2013 - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew

  • Dani: Java 8 - jdt.core making very good progress - almost everything compiles in the editor
  • Dani: pom files update - to be discussed in the arch call
  • Martin: bug 402509 Context Menus - no feedback, ping again
  • Martin: bug 145635 Pin & Clone
    • Dani - the feature itself is good and makes sense, would also like it in JDT
    • The UI metaphor is new and would need some testing in the Field - McQ would like the patch in ASAP in a way that doesn't cause more swirl to start experimenting
    • CDT would need to adopt it, upstream changes needed
    • Current implementation showed quite a lot of ripples and bugs
      • Current impl breaks existing workflows, that's the big problem
    • John: only 1 milestone left, if it appears in M7 and breaks any adopters they have little time to react;
      • Can loop-in JDT and CDT, but there might be others ...
      • Was PTP involved in any way ? They could also be broken, they have very special requirements
    • McQ: Do we have ownership of this work ? - If we have a clear need and a clear owner working on it we could give it a try
    • AI Martin (1) Clarify with CDT why they didn't like the feature and what are their plans; all the rest comes after that eg PTP, Pawel, can it be done in a non-breaking way
  • John: bug 402912 Significant Memory Leak in M6 fixed this week: noticable if eclipse running for a long time
    • Workaround for M6: Turn off Workbench Autosave feature by setting it to 0
    • AI Post to cross-project - people doing demos at Eclipsecon might want to use the workaround
  • Martin: bug 397896 New Classic Package - initial package done but unusable while the SDK branding bundle's contents is not migrated
    • Martin will continue pushing for this to happen - fallback would be not
    • Not much risk in judging whether it's good or not, only binary diff needed
  • John: bug 380325 Java 7 filesystem fragment
    • McQ do we know performance implications, could we get rid of the native bundles ?
    • Martin would like to have the fragment in all builds, to make it easier to test performance etc implications
  • Martin: bug 403589 eclipse.inf
    • Different binary bits depending on distribution channel is bad ... Tycho removed
    • Defect in post-processing (why does it add eclipse.inf) or defect in bundle preparation (why isn't eclipse.inf in there) ?
    • Maybe related to pack200 conditioning - Martin thinks that eclipse.inf was used in the past as a marker to know whether pack200 conditioning has happened ... now downstream aggregator conditions and adds eclipse.inf
    • AI John investigate

March 13, 2013 - McQ, John, Martin, Dani

  • Andrew: bug 397896 final throughts on the EPP package
    • Move forward with [1]
    • Testing - could find someone if it's just "use during the test pass"
    • Q: Can the EPP build be done frequently so it's available 1 week before the milestone for testing ?
  • Martin: bug 402509 context menu filtering
    • Would like to get some advice from Platform on the approach; some trajectory of a solution moving forward
    • Not a must-have for Kepler, but would like to see where this is heading
    • AI McQ find Platform folk to discuss this
  • John: Eclipse 4 API Status
    • Publishing a "usable subset" of the former provisional API as final: model, core services; consume injection
    • Allows building a real Eclipse 4 App now on API
      • Mostly clean-up, documentation; removing some bad stuff
      • Writing an App on Kepler E4 API might actually be able to run on Juno
    • Some of the advanced stuff remains provisional for now, eg define injection
  • John: Plan Update - No permission to update in the PMI
  • McQ: CBI / Bad Launcher
    • Have an idea that doing some little extra work after the CBI build might be good enough for now
    • HP-UX CBI Build doesn't start out of the box (will likely stay a known issue for M6)
  • Martin: bug 380325 Java7 EFS Plugin: Build ?

March 6, 2013 - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew

  • Martin: bug 402509 context menu filtering
    • AI Martin ask engineers document what we're doing today
  • Martin: bug 397896 EPP vs Classic - how to proceed
    • Martin's recent findings on Marketplace
      • There's p2, Marketplace, Packages in the Open but they are only parts of the solution
      • There's commercial installers from EclipseSource (Yoxos), Genuitec, IBM
      • John: p2 simplified UI (eg Webtools Server Adaptors; Mylyn)
    • What's missing ? David too booked ?
  • John: CBI Builds in Kepler - SDK in good shape but repo and Equinox downloadpage not quite right yet, some might take until M6
  • John: Delete old Platform/UI Branches - any PMC Policy ? No, convert branches to tags
  • John: API Freeze next week - some (modest) new Eclipse 4 API's
    • McQ recommends going for a "complete, but minimal subset of what people will want to do", rather than too many convenience methods
    • John: Some API has been provisional for 3 years - can't make wholesale changes now for the fun of it
      • May phase in some changes by adding @noreference rather than deleting stuff
      • In some cases there's pressure to use interfaces rather than classes, in order to be able and leverage Java 8 constructs
  • Orion - anybody going to JSConf ?

February 27, 2013 - John, Andrew, Dani

  • Nothing noteworthy

February 20, 2013 - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew

  • John: Orion Release Review, please give feedback

February 13, 2013

February 6, 2013 - John, Dani, Martin

  • John: M5a and SR2 RC4
  • John: Pawel and Platform / Debug work (Pin & Clone)
    • Only adopt when it's really ready and satisfies all criteria, otherwise not into Kepler
    • Maybe pull out Debug plugins into a feature of their own ?

January 30, 2013 - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew

  • John: SR2 RC3 looking good - want to know about any remaining issues
  • Dani: Java 8 Update - Markus Keller will move from JDT UI to JDT Core, taking over JSR-308
  • John: NODE Dependency in Orion (exempt pre-req)
    • Not shipping NODE ourselves, pushing to NODE package manager instead (or clone from git)
    • Andrew: Is it a workswith ?
    • Martin: Is there any overlap with the Java portion ?
      • The server code is completely distinct from Java, but the same client can interact with both

January 24, 2013 -

  • Martin: 4.3 and 3.8 dual-stream - Webtools project plan
    • egit, mylyn, dtp have been doing both n + n-1 for a long time
    • Technically, running on both should be possible if Platform API is used (except for the changes in Theming)
    • The Eclipse Community needs to advance the latest (4.3)
    • IBM product teams have been told not to forward at all if they can't forward to 4.x - shipping on 4.2
    • John: Having wider ranges of tolerance is something we should be able to do (otherwise our plugin system is failing)
    • John: Java8 will be the first killer feature in 4.x
  • Dani: Java 8
    • Will provide feature patches as soon as it makes sense - early draft, participating in expert group
    • Want to have the compiler and editor ready when Java 8 goes GA - initial refactoring etc in SR1 - full feature set in the next release
  • John: CBI update
    • Consider switch after M5

January 17, 2013 - McQ, John, Martin

  • John: bug 397896 EPP vs Classic
    • Could volunteer to own the EPP package from Platform POV
    • Then Wayne would own the decision of RCP/RAP vs Classic - what's the difference, keep both or unify
  • John: Test Failures on I-Builds
    • Move away tests that have been failing for 9 months
    • Dani: Most tests are actually down to 0 failures
  • John: CBI / Maven Builds
    • Appears to be fragile at the moment - Maven .micro releases are breaking the build!

January 10, 2013 - McQ, John, Dani, Martin

  • McQ: CBI - Switching Platform build to CBI for SR2 is not doable
    • Want to make CBI work for Juno since it's the LTS stream
    • CBI SDK builds are good at this point, it's only a couple of minor issues (shape of repos, download page, ...
    • When to switch to CBI in the Kepler Stream ? - Proposal do do it immediately
  • CBI patches waiting for Platform to pick up

January 3, 2013 - McQ, Andrew, John, Dani

  • Andrew will recommend good conferences to promote Orion


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