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= Documents =
 
= Documents =
 
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
'''September 19, 2012''' - McQ, Martin, John, Andrew, Dani
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'''May 12, 2021''' - McQ, Tom
* Martin: Juno patch feature for {{bug|381407}} and {{bug|383890}} ?
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* Meeting cut short
** This got fixed by a re-spin of RC4
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* Need to find a new time for PMC call
* McQ: '''4.x Performance''', and Platform committers
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** regular conflicts for planning council and board meetings
** Team is working on issues... like [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2012/09/17/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish/ Jochen Krause's blog]
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** LTS going to improve things
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'''April 28, 2021''' - Tom, Alex
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* Mac M1 changes are in to move to aarch64
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* Discussed progress on Jar signing issue for Java 16
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** Progress being made but will require some change in behavior of the Equinox SignedContent API
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** Will result in deprecation of at least one method
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** Working towards M3 solution.
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* Discussed move to PGP verification as alternative to signed JAR verification to p2
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** Progress being made there, hopefully get something for M3
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'''Mar 31, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars
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* Java 16 jar signing issue
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** Tom wants to replace equinox implementation with builtin Jar file implementation so changes don't have to be done in Equinox on each release
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* JSP/Jetty story in IDE
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** Do we still need same functionality?
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** Alex - get out of the business for help system. Dependencies (jetty, lucene) generate more releng work than we can handle.
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** McQ - url for plugin help would be simplest and open it in browser
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** Any change (e.g. JSP removal) has to go through standard deprecation period, announcements and etc.
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** Alex to initiate communication on longer term plan with Holger who works on improvements to help system lately
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'''Mar 31, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex
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* PMC call time
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** Overlaps with Planning council call and both Tom and Alex can't make both
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-> Decision: Skip PMC call every first Wed of the month
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* Webpage Hugo migration
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** Recommended by Eclipse Foundation and active contributor to do the conversion
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** Concerns about mixing old and new content are raised but they don't look severe
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** Supported by PMC
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-> Tom to handle initial communication on behalf of PMC
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* Planning process relevance
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** the planning process is not providing the detailed and usable plans from the past
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** not a pain point as fewer people participate it but looks like useless exercise quite often
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** to be discussed....
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'''Mar 24, 2021''' - Tom, Alex, Lars
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* Pack 200 - API removal in 2 years - 2023-06
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** Should we turn off all pack 200 features in one year, make it consistent across all Java versions.
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** 2022-06 - disable pack200 for all Java versions. Calling the deprecated API will be a no-op
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* Pack 200 - When can we stop generating? Agreed on 2021-09 release.  We should set the precedence as early as possible to stop producing pack200 artifacts.
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* split packages
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** Causing issues with mandatory directive and p2 {{bug|360659}} and with tycho.
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** Currently tycho requires some work arounds for usage of split packages
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** Can we work to get rid of split packages. We agreed to investigate the work and move to combine split packages if possible.
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'''Mar 17, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars
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* SWT Chromium support
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** Still no recent version of Chromium with security patches
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** Will be dropped in M1 (if no recent version is provided in the next weeks or if no one steps up)
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* Pack 2000 support
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** not supported anymore as of Java 14
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** will be deprecated and marked for removal
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* Moving Eclipse repos to Github
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** Moving to Github might simplify and therefore increase contributions
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** Huge amount of work in releng
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** Potentially we should all subprojects at the same time
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** We check if the foundation plans to move everything to Gitlab
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'''Mar 10, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex
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* Moving to Jetty 10 for next release
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* platform-dev discussion about move to GitHub
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** conversation is useful, but would take a lot of planning
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** lots of current rel eng dependencies on Gerrit
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*** need more community help for rel eng issues
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** a massive amount of history in our Bugzilla
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* release record and proto-plan created for 4.20
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'''Febr 17, 2021''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* Looks good for 4.19 release
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* Mac ARM has to wait for the 4.20 release, as the team fights multiple issues
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* Top-level project page can currently only be edited by Tom, other PMC members also have access to it https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse/who
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'''Dec 15, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* 06. January 2021 is the next meeting
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* How can PMC increase the awareness of the project leads / committers?
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** Maybe invite the project leads once per month to the PMC meeting?
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** Discussion how we can increase the JDT community
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'''Dec 01, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* RC1 is out; final touches on RC2
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* How can we remove the confusion about "e4" project?
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** e4 has always been intended to be a sandbox project where people could try things that are experimental or are on a longer timeline
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** Should be renamed to make it clear this isn't about leftovers from the Eclipse 4.0 work (maybe "eNext"?)
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** Should clean up repos
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*** Remove repos that just hold code that has already moved to the platform
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*** Remove repos that are no longer getting any investment
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*** Work toward moving things that are active/useful into the platform (e.g. "spies" to PDE)
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'''Nov 24, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* PMC is considering the potential of an SDK / IDE working group at the foundation
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* Discussion Do we need the extra releng work to create p2 repositories for milestones?
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** Lot of extra work and sometimes goes wrong
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** All I-Builds are anyway available
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-> PMC decided to drop the additional p2 repository
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-> Alex will be sending out an email about it to inform potential users of the special p2 repos
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** Discussion about the purpose of the milestone week at all
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-> Decision not to change the process for now, as the additional testing and focus has also some benefits
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'''Nov 17, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Release 4.18 winding down
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** SWT churn for Linux and Mac Big Sur
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** Does not appear the Foundation got the new Mac Hardware for testing
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* Planning Council discussion
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** Dani filled the Eclipse TLP representation role on the Council
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** Alex can take the lead to that role
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** Alex will look to find a replacement for the tools TLP representative
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'''Nov 10, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Still dealing with the loss of Dani
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* Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
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* Stabilizing for M3
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* Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
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* Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency
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'''Nov 10, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Still dealing with the loss of Dani
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* Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
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* Stabilizing for M3
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* Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
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* Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency
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'''Nov 3, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Dani!
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'''Oct 27, 2020''' - Lars, Tom
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* Nothing to discuss
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'''Oct 20, 2020''' - Lars, Tom, McQ, Alex
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* EclipseCon is running virtual this week
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* Agreement that removal of API should only before M1 release
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* Proof of concept for using Java 11 http client instead of ECF should be done
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* if we remove ECF we should send out an announcement and keep it for at least one release
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* Decision to start using the @Deprecated(since = "x.y.z", forRemoval = true) for planned API removals if the bundle can use Java 11, wiki for API removal should be updated
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'''Oct 6, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, McQ, Alex
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* M1 under control
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* Release train materials being worked
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* Moved to Jetty 9.4.32
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* ECF — need to simplify how we consume http client
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** could use Java11 http client instead, but this would require significant development effort
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** Tom/Alex to take an initial stab at understanding scope + open bugs
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* Proposal: remove API once a year
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** Given the already long time for consumers to respond to API deprecation, PMC decision was to continue to allow API removal in any release. It was felt that the incremental benefit was outweighed by the need to be able to move forward quickly.
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'''Sep 15, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, Lars, Alex
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* M1
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** Next week M1 - Alex to send reminder note
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** Holiday in India on this Friday
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* Y-Build for Java 16
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** Builds should be fixed and can continue to progress on Java 16
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* SCR upgrade
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** Some issues with EBR maven plugin
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** causes versions to be incorrectly represented in p2 meta-data
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** Orbit needs a new lead, will end up impacting us if no replacement found
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* Tycho being updated to be able to OSGi-fy JARs if they are not there yet.
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** How to use this for a feature?
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** Behaves much like Orbit to produce new versions of the artifact.
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** Could be the solution for Orbit needs.
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'''Sep 22, 2020''' - no meeting
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'''Sep 15, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom, Alex
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* Dani: Java 15 released today
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** 4.17 release together with Marketplace for Java 15 support are ready
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** JDT Java 15 to be merged this week
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* Dani: Zoom call with password unless each of the PMC members can be added as meeting owner so can start the meeting
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* Alex: 4.18 stream opened and releng work calmed down
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* Lars: Cleanup of migration guides
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** Dani: this will break existing links, so existing content have to stay unless someone does all the work to fix our plans and other links that will break
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** McQ: help system needs work to focus on the latest stuff/release, what should we do to achieve it? How can we better shape the help system now that having all content ofline is not a requirement?
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** Alex: do not ship migration, n&n,etc. but rather point to website url from help system
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** Alex: this would also reduce manual work for releng (+1 by Dani)
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** ACTION ITEM: Alex to work on n&n in help system to use the website content directly as a proof of concept for further work
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'''Sep 01, 2020''' - Lars, Alex
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* RC1 is fine, no additional requests for RC2
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'''August 25, 2020''' - Tom, Lars, Alex, Dani
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* Dani: sent out Endgame plan, RC1 this week, vacation starting on Friday
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* Alex informed about Red Hat's Releng participation
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'''August 18, 2020''' - Tom, Lars, Dani
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* Dani to create and send out Endgame plan
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* Looking into Mac Big Sur launching issue ({{bug|565913}})
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'''August 11, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ
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* Eclipse Foundation is getting access to an Apple Silicon dev kit
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** Will make it available to SWT devs via cloud connectivity
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* M3 next week; RC1 following week
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* ARM64 port seems to be working fine, except for browser widget (still investigating)
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'''August 4, 2020''' - Alex, Lars, Dani
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* no topics to discuss
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'''July 28, 2020''' - Tom, McQ
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* no topics to discuss
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'''July 21, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars
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* no topics to discuss
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* Alex on vacation next week
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'''July 14, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars
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* Project status
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** M1 shipped last week
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** Draft Plan for 4.17 posted - additional fixes done after review
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** Release record created for 4.17
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* CQ process discussion - new clearly defined process
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** Note sent to Wayne to get clarifications on handbook, Wayne has made some edits in response. We need to review latest handbook
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** Should simplify IP clearance for third party libraries
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*** If a bundle is approved by clearly defined it can be added with no CQ as long as the mavin URLs/coordinates are vetted by clearly defined
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*** Orbit should soon automate the linking to clearly defined approvals for bundles added.  Currently a work in progress by Roland at Orbit.
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*** The ratings system at clearly defined is not used.  Only the license check is used.
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** PMC needs to review latest handbook on the topic ... As of now we should move forward with the new process
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*** If concerns arise later we will need to take actions to correct
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* {{bug|565066}} - Needs some attention to the solution and testing
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** attempt to make incremental installation be consistent with resolution of a fresh install (or -clean).
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'''June 23, 2020''' - no call
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'''June 16, 2020''' - no call
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'''June 9, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom
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* McQ: message to guide the community got no public reactions so far
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* Dani: bug reports needed for JDT, do we have PMC agreement?
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** Alex: For me that was approved after jdt-dev vote ended
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** AGREED
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* Dani: RC2 done, no major bug so far but still monitoriing for regressions
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* Alex: 4.17 stream open, not finished until 4.16 if final so all apichecks and etc. are in proper shape
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* Tom: OSGi R8 merge after stabilizing 4.17 stream
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* Tom: OSGi Move to Java 8 right after that
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* Dani: Switch to Java 11 as min version as it was already announced to happen in 4.17 stream shortly
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'''June 2, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom
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* Inactive committer clean up for Eclipse project for the 4.16 release started via {{bug|563720}}
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* Infrastructure is really slow for RC2 release
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* RC2 bug queue is really low, one restart issue which is currently under investigated by Tom
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* Discussion about the JDT cleanup e-mails
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** Need to ensure community discussions are positive and respectful.
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** Expectations here should come from leadership
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*** LibreOffice did this in the past to great success.
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** Committers can vote against bugs but the tone of the discussion is important.
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** PMC will respond via the public mailing list within a week
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'''May 26, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ
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* Closed all M3 bugs; RC1 looking good
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* Tips&tricks, new&noteworthy, contributions to the newsletter in progress
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* Chromium integration CQ approved -- https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21808
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'''May 19, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex
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* Dani: Issues with the build infrastructure, might endanger M3, the team got a working build for testing
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* Dani: PowerPC hardware was donated so builds are starting again for it
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* Alex: CQ process might get simpler based on blog post from Wayne, Alex to test and validate with Wayne https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/wayne-beaton/revising-eclipse-ip-due-diligence-process-third-party-content
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* Lars: Question if we want to allow "EGit" commit style in Eclipse top-level project. Agreement was to allow it but not to recommend it or enforce it
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'''May 12, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, McQ, Lars, Alex
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* Update to themes
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** Preference being added for choosing square vs round tabs
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** Intern from Alex's team is taking up the work
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** Update to Windows theme to be Windows 10
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* Alex brings up changes to CQ requirements.  Need to read up on Wayne's post about this and discuss in a future call if we can change how the project does CQs
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* Who is running dark theme?
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** Need someone to cover test of Dark Theme on Linux.  Lars indicated that he runs with Linux Dark Theme and can help in coverage
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** Dani described the various members of his team that cover the rest of the platforms
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* Request to contribute to article on what is new in the release for a June newsletter.  Lars to contribute improvements in the Dark theme.  General request to others to contribute anything else.
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* ppc64le build troubles
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** Been having ongoing issues with the university hosted ppc64le machine we use to build support for ppc64le
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** Currently the ppc64le build has been disabled
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** Need to find alternatives
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*** May be able to use something from IBM public cloud
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*** Other suggestions: McQ - look towards using emulation, Alex - could do cross-compilation
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** Need to plan if ppc 10 will supported in the future
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'''May 5, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom
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* M2 shipped on time
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** Dark theme rebuild for M2 due to severe issue
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* ICU4J removal note sent
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** Lars - 2 years notice period needed?
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** Agreement: it's needed as we expose it in API and still have usages in internals so we need time to clean up ourself
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** EPPs cleanup - some blocked by JDT still using it, some by WTP, Rust probably the first one to be icu4j clean
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* Roundes vs square ctabfolder
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** Number of themes to be reduced
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** Performance not being measurable
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** Agreement: add preference to switch the rounded vs
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** Agreement: when preference is available Square is default
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* Windows theme update -
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** Fix colors to match Windows 10
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** GTK looks way more sane as more effort has been invested to keep it current
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** Don't set colors but use the colors from the OS theme is the recipe
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** Ugly white line on windows dark theme needs bugzilla open
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'''April 28, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, Lars
  
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* PMC decided that the OS specific themes should be removed, https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=562227
'''September 12, 2012''' - Andrew, Dani, John, Martin
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* Windows light theme should become better https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=551462
* John: '''CBI Build''' - good progress with Thanh from EMO visiting Platform Team's offices this week
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* Dani - This week is M2, no special freeze or testing but we will contribute our build from Friday to the simrel
** Focus on Juno Stream because LTS builds need to get done
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* Databinding analyis was done by Jens Lindstroem and it looks good for an API compliant solution
** Can produce an SDK but cannot produce many of the other artifacts (That's good enough for LTS which only needs a p2 repo)
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* Alex will prepare the information for cross that we will drop ibm icu from the SDK build
** Can claim readiness only when binary bits are the same (p2 comparator tool from Olivier - which does byte code level compare of class files, and binary comparison of other files)
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* John: '''4.x Performance''' - Several people on the team actively looking at issues, some problems identified, some not yet reproduced
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** Some work started on re-enabling Performance tests
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** start running on virtual machines to see whether dedicated machines are needed or not
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** How to improve the process integrating people / resources / donations from companies (EMO pushes towards more contributions)
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*** Need more committers for longer term, not only short-term patch contributors
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* Andrew: '''FOSDEM''' Europe (Brussels) coming up - Ian Skerret going to reserve a room, asking for people to join, good conference, lots of cross-pollination
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'''September 5, 2012''' - Andrew, Dani, Martin
 
* Martin: '''Windows 8''' testing ? - Filed {{bug|388560}} to get "Windows 8" added to bugzilla
 
** Dani: Initial testing by SWT team didn't reveal anything; Dani in favor of getting W8 deployed on Hudson once it is out officially
 
** Should consider adding to the Kepler plan; consider backports to Juno SR for issues found
 
* Martin: '''3.8 vs 4.2''' - posting on [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg08123.html cross-project list]
 
** Need to look at stack traces in detail eg {{bug|385272}}. Watch how that E-Mail thread evolves.
 
* Dani: '''Go/No-Go''' decision process for RC's - to be discussed in the Arch call
 
  
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'''April 21, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars
'''August 29, 2012:''' - John, Dani, Martin
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* Q: How do we deal with ICU removal from data binding?
* John: Bugzilla's new auto-duplicate-find ... Dani likes it but moved suggestions somewhere else with Greasemonkey to avoid interfering with typing
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** Need to follow standard API removal rules
* Tom Watson: Big changes coming in Equinox for Java modularity - thought about Kepler but will wait for another year in a branch
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*** Deprecate old API and offer new API
** Java 8 also won't be in Kepler ... so will likely be kind of a Maintenance Release
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*** Remove deprecated API after 2 years
* Dani: [[Version Numbering]] document is a bit unclear about upreving from a n.n.2
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** Can we put the old stuff in a fragment that could be removed?
** RESOLUTION: desire is clarifying the next is n.n.100
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* Theming: rounded tabs versus square tabs ({{bug|562221}})
* Dani: '''Delete files from CVS projects''' and add a README ?
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** Should we offer it at all?
** Yes if it can be done in an automated way .. to avoid confusion about outdated sources
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** Alex: Don’t increase the number of themes or options
*** eg README points to a Wiki page
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** Lars: Square tabs are faster
*** John: Keep the .project in place such that jumping from version to version doesn't break a workspace
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** If speed is significant, we should consider changing the default
*** Martin: Acceptance criterion that importing from scmurl in MANIFEST.MF still works (when choosing the tag ... choosing HEAD should bring up the README)
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* John: '''Plan Update upcoming'''
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'''August 15, 2012:''' - John, Dani, Andrew
 
* Do we support removal of bugzilla CLOSED state? Resolved: yes we do
 
* Discussion of long term release plans beyond Kepler
 
  
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'''April 14, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars
'''August 8, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* Dani
* Dani: News from Jeff
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** M1 shipped, no problems so far
* McQ vacation from August 13 to August 31
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** Using ECJ from M1 to build the SDK has some issues, there are people working on it
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** 4.16 plan to be published this week
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* Unanimous decision to continue to use Zoom as usual
  
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'''July 25, 2012:'''
 
* '''CBI Build'''
 
** For SR1, the build can produce what the Release Train needs ... but not all the extra validation
 
** Need to run both builds for now ... until the CBI team's bytecode verifier produces the same output
 
** CBI team continues to look at the list of diffs and improve their builder
 
** Platform team would be OK dropping the legacy build once the bytecode validator has no diffs
 
** Platform team can't commit more resources to CBI now (Paul Webster already heavily involved)
 
* '''Losing Commits on the Orion git repo'''
 
** Dozen commits or so
 
** Might be a defect in the Orion git tools, but the server side should prevent that !!!
 
** DenyNonFastForward should have protected ... need an extra layer of protection ?
 
  
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'''April 7, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars
'''June 27, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
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* Dani
* Eclipse Demo Camps - none in Ottawa
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** Created [https://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_16.xml 4.16 plan]
* Going to skip the arch calls for all of July - leave the PMC slot in place.
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** Created [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=561643 release record for 4.16]. Corresponding bug is {{bug|561643}}
* Should keep an eye on the Community feedback for Eclipse 4
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** Sent note to add planning bugs for 4.16
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** '''Please review and provide feedback if any'''
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** After some infrastructure issues we have a good test build and currently things look good for M1 this week
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* Alex seconded the infrastructure issues and missing test results
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* ICU4J ({{bug|560312}}): we decided to remove it piece by piece from projects where possible and where someone is interested to do it. The ICU bundle itself will stay, and we will follow the API removal process when we are ready to remove it, i.e. no usage in the SDK anymore
  
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'''June 13, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
 
  
* Discussed the ECF rebuild request ({{bug|382206}}). Arguments in favor: it is a safe change, it reverts the situation to where it was in RC3 and earlier. Arguments against summarized in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=382206#c20.
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'''March 31, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, McQ, Tom, Lars
* We will need to tag the release but we can wait until we are officially done (week of June 25th).
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* Dani: Contacted the ICU4J owner. He updated {{bug|560312}}, PMC members will review the comment and we will discuss next week
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* Dani: Planning bugs are created slowly for 4.16. Will send a reminder to the list to submit more. Started to work on plan and release record.
  
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'''June 6, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John, Andrew
 
  
* Discussion of how to handle test failures for final build. Most of the remaining failures are infrastructure issues related to our move to Hudson for tests. We will document the failures through bugs, and include a note on the build results page for the final build explaining the failures
+
'''March 24, 2020''' - Alex, McQ, Tom
* Discussion of whether we need a 3.9 release. Unanimous conclusion was that we do not see a need for it. Reducing to one stream will greatly reduce our development overhead and encourage consolidation around the single stream.
+
* Dani: Regrets for the call (Eclipse Board call)
* Discussion of how to handle the disappearance of org.eclipse.equinox.concurrent from our RC3 builds. This was never deliberately included in the platform, but was present due to a greedy optional dependency from ECF. By very close 3/2 decision PMC decided to leave it alone and document the disappearance in porting guide, readme file, release review material, and cross-project list.
+
* Alex: status updates
 +
** JDT merged Java 14 in master
 +
** Build instability due to infra status
 +
* Alex: OSGi R8 modules support - what is it?
 +
** Tom: ability to represent external content in the OSGi framework
 +
** Alex: Will it allow shipping eclipse plugins as JPMS modules to ease native library handling?
 +
** Tom: Haven't found any clear example how JPMS handles this, so good example is needed before could be looked further.
  
<hr/>
 
  
'''May 23, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin
+
'''March 17, 2020''' - Alex, McQ, Lars Tom, Dani
* McQ: '''CBI / Tycho builder''': Paul Webster driving Platform efforts (AI Martin notify about {{bug|359719}})
+
* ICU4J use still under discussion
* Martin: {{bug|380984}} ant / Orbit respin? - Unclear for now
+
** Dani still to contact ICU4J owner
* McQ: Finally figured out some long-standing bug eg "Variables view sometimes empty"
+
* Shipping Java 14 and 4.15 this week
** Dani: It's 2 issues: First-time switch to Perspective deferred to 4.2.1, but {{bug|379818}} is finally fixed
+
* Java 14 work will be merged to master on Wednesday
** The actual underlying defect had been in there for years
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''May 16, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
 
* Dani: '''Version Number''' in branding features gets auto-generated and 3.8 version is now higher than 4.2 (since 3.8 build runs after 3.8)
 
** John thinks it's not a big deal
 
* John: '''CBI Patches''' - CBI has lots of patches downstream in their POM's ... RC2 is the last chance getting that in
 
** Auto-generating the POM.XML would be nice but that's not how things work today
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 10, 2020''' - Lars, Tom
'''May 9, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani
+
* Dani: Regrets for the call (vacation)
* John: Classic update can still be enabled via capabilities - should we remove it?
+
* ICU4J use still under discussion
** Dani: in general "yes", but too late now
+
** if we can be confident that performance and language support are of *similar* quality, we should work towards removing icu4j because it reduces complexity for us, in addition allowing for smaller RCP apps
** McQ: too late, but make sure we do it for Kepler
+
** note that we already have mixed usage -- some components using icu4j and some not
 +
* to clarify approvals that require a project lead can be done by a project lead for any of the Eclipse Project subprojects
 +
** as usual, the project lead should take care to understand the change and its implications before approving
 +
* we will move to Jetty 10 (and thus to Java 11) for the fall release
 +
* RH will be leading releng for 4.16
  
<hr/>
 
'''May 2, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
 
* John: '''Forking of SWT''' 3.8 and 4.2 are now separate Streams with CTabFolder implementation being the only difference
 
* Dani: '''Icons''' (not discussed)
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 3, 2020''' - no meeting
'''April 18, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
+
* Martin: [[E4/Scripting]] initiative
+
** McQ thinks the E4 Application Model should be exposed as a DOM to scripting .. anything other than utilizing the e4 DOM for hiding a view feels wrong
+
*** Martin: Approach is very pragmatic - don't see anybody investing into new Frameworks at this point but converging on what already exists
+
*** If this goes towards macro recording, the recorder should utilize the e4 app model
+
** Signing up on the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse-scripting-dev eclipse-scripting-dev] mailing list will keep people in the loop (expect low volume)
+
* Dani: '''API Approval Process''' Approval on Bug plus sent to eclipse-pmc list (like last year)
+
* John: '''PDE Committers''' - perception of not being open
+
** McQ would like to see a plan item for next year "actively promote more committers from outside"
+
* Martin: [[Asterisk]] - will need a dialin for Dani in Switzerland; '''AI Dani''' forward his dialin to Martin for the time being
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''April 11, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
 
* Martin: '''LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream''' - Like John's reply making the link between the two
 
* McQ/John: '''Builds''' - Moving forward
 
* McQ: '''CBI Builds''' - Platform not going to take any ownership but will be a consumer like others - still shooting for Juno SR1
 
* Andrew: '''4.2 Builds in Fedora 17''' - Testing now
 
* McQ: '''IBM Ottawa Team moving to new building''' - expect delays during next couple days
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 25, 2020''' - Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex
'''April 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
+
* Dani: Created and sent Endgame plan
* Dani: '''VM Requirements''' - Help no longer works on Java 5, this surprised some people... but Project Plan talks about a Java 6 req now
+
* Dani: Submitted IP Log: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21716
** Martin suggestion: on the "Required JVM" table in the Project Plan, add a 2nd column with closure of BREE including all pre-reqs (continue having 1st column the BREE of the bundle itself auto-generated)
+
* Alex: SWT on Linux in 4.16 to require Gtk 3.20 to simplify CSS machinery and prep for GTK4
* Dani: '''Jeff still mentioned as PMC member'''
+
* Alex: ICU4J removal
** '''AI Dani''' send E-Mail
+
** Dani: ICU4J reacts faster to changes and supports more features (new Japanese era)
* Martin: '''Concern about Platform Quality''' - eg SWT Redraws on 3.7.x - Old-time committers moving away
+
** Alex: It might but Eclipse fails at keeping up so current version shipped with Eclipse misses features that the JVM supports (latest CLDR)
** McQ: Platform team's focus will continue being maintenance, and new Platform support ... team's capacity is going down, but SWT is not affected mosted
+
** Dani: Asks for a proof that JVM is better that ICU
** Martin: Code contributions are easy, hi-quality triage and review are harder
+
** Alex: Which metrics to be measured?
** Martin: Re-think the idea of having committers paid by the Foundation and Member Companies paying their share
+
** Dani: Will check with ICU guy about that and whether it's still needed
*** Example: Why would Pascal review p2 in his sparetime ... but if he gets paid per bug his experience can be extremely valuable
+
*** Be more creative on resourcing side
+
** McQ: In favor of putting more structure in place similar to LTS ("hire people for fixes") ... just continue with LTS ?
+
*** IBM will have a need for fixes for at least another 8 years .. but that's a very self-serving focus
+
** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' send E-Mail to Mike to keep the ball rolling
+
* Dani: {{bug|375292}} '''Reference to Marketplace in the SDK'''
+
** Martin: "Classic" is a Building Block but "Packages" are for end users
+
** McQ: The purity of the SDK in itself isn't relevant
+
*** Martin: Why not just create a new package "Classic" which is at +3 and pulls in egit + marketplace ... the process for building is all in place, may just need a package reviewer
+
*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' mail Markus
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''March 21, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Andrew, Martin
 
* McQ '''Oracle Java on Mac'''
 
* Dani '''denyNonFastForward'''
 
* McQ '''JDT Team might see some losses'''
 
* Andrew '''Running OpenJDK tests now on ARM''' :)
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 18, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom
'''March 14, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, John
+
* Dani: need to work on IP Log, Release Review and Endgame Plan
* Losing Eclipse project release engineer next week
+
* Lars: ECF - will we update to the latest
* David Williams is stepping in to help with our builds until Juno
+
** Alex: is in the works. Scott needs to provide us with the update
* Most immediate issue is that our build needs elevated privileges to tag, sign, and promote builds
+
* Tom: Found an issue with JUnit 5 launching but not reproducible with latest I-build
** kmoir was the only committer with sufficient privileges
+
** Dani: File a bug if you have steps or contact Noopur directly
** We either need to give another committer sufficient rights, or give build user access it needs
+
* Dani: Update on X-builds and tags
** Could use hooks to ensure build user isn't doing anything other than tagging
+
** All agreed the build user approach was the best option. John to open bug against foundation to carry it out
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''March 7, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Martin, John
 
* John: '''API Deletions''' {{bug|370248}} - PMC agrees.
 
* McQ: '''Common Build Infrastructure at the Foundation'''
 
** Shipping Platform Juno bits built by PDE ... but Foundation wants EPP packages built by Tycho; Platform can't support this
 
*** Reason might be that 4.2 is planned to be the start of LTS and VLTS .. ok for now if LTS bits are different since not publicly available
 
*** Plus, LTS really starts after Juno SR2 ... Platform might be in a better position for Tycho by then
 
*** In Linux, Fedora also builds by themselves ... but assumption is that people come to Fedora support first
 
** Martin, Andrew really concerned about fragmentation and duplication of effort ... eg what if the qualifiers don't match
 
** Should be treated as proof of concept but not publicly available until Juno SR2, in order to avoid fragmentation !
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 11, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom
'''February 29, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
+
* Alex: Infrastructure is very instable, how can be complain to the foundation?
* John: Orion team received a box full of '''Black Ducks''' to honour their Black Duck Rookie of the Year award
+
** Alex: Eclipse foundation server team not responding to complains and seem unclear about the source of the issue
* Dani: '''Gerrit Move'''
+
** Discussion about makes a stronger statement to the foundation about the bad state of the infrastructure
** John: Important information needs to stay in Bugzilla ... don't pull from outside git exclusively
+
** McQ: Suggestion to send a note as PMC to the foundation
* Andrew: '''Platform Defect Contest'''
+
** Dani: First we should ask webmaster why this takes so long
** McQ concern: Lots of duplicate bugs would take focus away from the team
+
** Alex: Marketplace infrastructure is also in bad state
** Martin: Could encourage triage as part of the contest, and only count good/new bugs
+
*** Dead marketplace entries are not getting removed https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=550713
** John: Some low-hanging fruit bugs in Platform UI but not necessarily in 4.x ("helpwanted")
+
*** No clean contact person from the foundation
** John: Re-introduce the "greatbug" keyword ?
+
*** Marketplace is also not Open Source hence we cannot fix thing ourself.
*** A greatbug is relevant, new, good description that helps understanding/finding the issue; ideally with a patch.
+
*** Resolution: '''AI John''' send note to Mike
+
* John: '''PDE API Moved'''
+
** Some internal, provisional API was migrated to full API in this release
+
** Someone from SAP (Dimitar Giormov) Asked adding back the provisional API such that they could support 2 versions of Eclipse with one codebase
+
** McQ: Would have helped them 4 years ago .. but at the moment don't have enough people
+
*** McQ: Question how pervasive their use of the old API is ... how much Reflection would they need to put int
+
*** One resolution could be OK but only if they provide all the patches
+
** This kind of duplication is error prone and adds a maintenance burden on the project
+
  
<hr/>
+
-> Alex to contact Denis and to cc the other PMC members
'''February 22, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Andrew
+
* Repeat of PDE build discussion from last week. We decided to nominate John Arthorne as a committer so we at least have someone to accept community patches. We will revisit after Juno and perhaps do a larger restructuring
+
* Communication with eGit: We have written some patches for eGit that have been growing stale. Dani will review the patches, and then send an email to eGit lead asking if there is a particular reason for not accepting them. If there is no problem with the patches we will track down an eGit committer to release them.
+
* Andrew asked about process for approving CQs:
+
** Any PMC member can feel free to approve CQs
+
** New versions of existing third party libraries are a no-brainer, typically just +1 right away
+
** For new third party libraries we may need a PMC discussion about why the library is needed, what feature it will live in, etc
+
** For code contributions just make sure the legal process has been followed and then +1. We generally trust the judgement of the committer who will process the contribution.
+
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 4, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Tom
'''February 15, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John
+
* OSGi Spec talk
* Some discussion of what to do with PDE Build, which lacks committers. PDE as a whole has barely enough committers to be a functioning project, so maybe we should be looking at a larger restructuring after
+
** OSGi R8 Core will be done this year.
Juno rather than one piece at a time. We lacked quorum to make a decision so we will defer discussion to another week.
+
** May be ready for 4.16, but no rush if it slips to 4.17
 +
** Will not put anything in master until spec is final which makes it more likely to be 4.17
  
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 28, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars
'''February 8, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, McQ
+
* Ongoing saga of the EPP packages
* Andrew: Eclipse stand at '''FOSDEM in Brussles'''
+
** Markus did it last week
** Lots of people just dropped by to say hi and thanks
+
** PMC discussed possible futures here, but no conclusions
** Mike Milinkovich was showing off Orion; Gunnar and Andrew did others (Web, EclipseRT, C/C++)
+
** Discussion also happening at the board level
* McQ: '''4.2 Quality''' ... current list of defects looks manageable to tick all off .. any messaging we want to do ?
+
* M2 is this week
 +
* Pushing for JUnit updates for M2
  
<hr/>
 
'''February 1, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, John
 
* Dani: '''No UA Committers any more''' - move UA under Platform UI such that at least somebody can apply patches
 
** AI John check with Wayne ... UA is a subcomponent now, may not even need a move review.
 
* Dani: {{bug|343150}} git '''DenyNonFastForward'''
 
** Orion could eventually add tooling to support easy workflows in spite of deny on the repo ... but not in this release
 
** Ping on the bug again and proceed
 
* John: Decide when to switch 4.2 builds from re-using 3.x binary bundles vs full 4.x builds
 
** Today, the 4.x testsuite just tests 4.x specific stuff; things like JDT tests just run against 3.8 today
 
** Today, cannot generate Javadocs in 4.x today sine it needs the full source
 
** Today, nightlies are running 3.x only (could change to running 4.x nightlies only)
 
** Today, 3.x builds run at IBM and 4.x builds run at Eclipse.org
 
** Only few test failures left in the 4.x builds --&gt; ready to switch
 
** AI: '''Kim''' to send 4.x test results to the mailing list, consider switching right after M5
 
** '''Performance Tests:''' Not yet run on 4.x yet - should be able to run on Denis' vserver
 
*** IBM is going to lose the physical machines for performance tests in 2 weeks ! (Going to migrate to vserver too!)
 
*** Need a new baseline
 
** Andrew: at '''FOSSLC''' in Brussels this week, going to represent Eclipse with Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and others
 
* '''Gerrit''': Platform won't jump in as an early adopter this time, wait for other projects first
 
** Not all Platform Unittests can run on Hudson today (need at least some fingerprint tests to get value from Gerrit)
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 21, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, Lars
'''January 25, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
+
* Dani: EPP builds still missing, Dani contacted Markus Knauer to update EPP for M1, release train is at risk if nobody steps up
* McQ: '''Note about 4.2 on Release Train'''
+
* New test failures are investigated, action plan is to restart the test, if they still fails restart the machine and if the tests still fail, see if a revert fixes the test
* Andrew: '''Eclipse 4.2 for Fedora''' - Feature note written for Eclipse Juno led to some discussion at Eng.Steering Committee, but finally approved
+
* Dani: Team down by 1 but no impact (Dani is going to take over responsibilities)
+
* John: '''Build Failures in UA, Update, PDE, p2 yesterday''' after the move to Java 7... nobody watching these, need to find caretakers
+
** UA tests often fail due to a link validity checker, these can be caused by anyone
+
** Certificate Validity issue (Jar signing)
+
  
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 14, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom
'''January 18, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
+
* Dani: Switch to SUSE Enterprise 15, team is in favor to drop 12
* McQ: '''4.2 quality''' and next steps
+
* Dani: Plan updated to remove Windows 7
** More resources found to enable 4.2 as the LTS base - encouraging, although some items still missing
+
* Alex: Felix Dependencies for SCR done
** Fedora 17 think about shipping 4.2m6 (work ongoing) - that would be a large stack on top of 4.2
+
** confirm fix for {{bug|544571}}
** John: '''Oracle Java 7 as Reference Platform''' now that the most severe issues are fixed (Java 6 EOL is June 2012 !) - that is Oracle, not OpenJDK
+
** releng disruptions during update, but recovered.  More disruptions expected as we update dependencies for March release.
*** Not remove Java 6 for now
+
** broken builds, need to get a list of issues. Seems to be more infrastructure issues.  Need to report back to the foundation. Example, the signing issue that broken the respin.
*** Fedora also does all tests on 7
+
* Some discussion about gitlab option at foundation. {{bug|537913}}
 +
** What happens to gerrit work flow for review?
 +
** Would dropping bugzilla happen or can we migrate all issues?
 +
** Without migration it is a no-go for us
 +
** Currently no plans to move Eclipse project to gitlab at this time.
  
<hr/>
 
'''January 11, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
* McQ: '''State of Presentation API's'''
 
** Different API's in 4.2 and 3.x -- will need to deprecate API in 3.x
 
** Christian suggested deleting API that's not implemented in 4.x to get compile errors ... John thinks that binary compatibility is more important
 
*** Plugins will be "mostly OK", presentation API is cosmetic anyways
 
** McQ: get in touch with clients who use presentation API, telling them what's best to do ... often newer 4.x infrastructure is much better than trying to keep 3.x around forever
 
* Andrew: '''Cairo and GTK3'''
 
* John: '''4.2 compiling now'''
 
* Martin: '''Updated JSch-0.1.44 version''' - how to announce properly
 
** AI Martin Announce on eclipse-dev and cross-project
 
** Should also put into migrtion notes and README
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 7, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars
'''January 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
+
* Dani: Created initial 4.15 plan - please have a look
* McQ: Pascal's note about p2 leadership .. not sure who could step in and make a commitment (may see the same fate as UA)
+
* Dani: Created release record for 4.15
** Tom Watson looking for candidates, but looks like none in McQ's team
+
* Dani: Sent a note to teams to create their 4.15 plan items/bugs
<hr/>
+
* Dani: Do we want to drop support for Windows 7 (remove from Target Environments only)
 +
** Unanimous decision: Yes
 +
* Dani: Discuss (again, see below) resolution for stale bugs
 +
** We want to ask the webmaster that stale bugs are directly closed. ACTION ITEM for Lars
 +
** We will only auto/mass close existing stale bugs with notification turned off
 +
* Change rules about x-internal exports ({{bug|553709}})
 +
** Decision:
 +
** - Newly added internal packages should not use x-internal exports unless there are very good reasons
 +
** - For existing packages the x-internal export can be removed with PMC approval
  
 
= Archive =
 
= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

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Documents

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Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

May 12, 2021 - McQ, Tom

  • Meeting cut short
  • Need to find a new time for PMC call
    • regular conflicts for planning council and board meetings


April 28, 2021 - Tom, Alex

  • Mac M1 changes are in to move to aarch64
  • Discussed progress on Jar signing issue for Java 16
    • Progress being made but will require some change in behavior of the Equinox SignedContent API
    • Will result in deprecation of at least one method
    • Working towards M3 solution.
  • Discussed move to PGP verification as alternative to signed JAR verification to p2
    • Progress being made there, hopefully get something for M3


Mar 31, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars

  • Java 16 jar signing issue
    • Tom wants to replace equinox implementation with builtin Jar file implementation so changes don't have to be done in Equinox on each release
  • JSP/Jetty story in IDE
    • Do we still need same functionality?
    • Alex - get out of the business for help system. Dependencies (jetty, lucene) generate more releng work than we can handle.
    • McQ - url for plugin help would be simplest and open it in browser
    • Any change (e.g. JSP removal) has to go through standard deprecation period, announcements and etc.
    • Alex to initiate communication on longer term plan with Holger who works on improvements to help system lately


Mar 31, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex

  • PMC call time
    • Overlaps with Planning council call and both Tom and Alex can't make both

-> Decision: Skip PMC call every first Wed of the month

  • Webpage Hugo migration
    • Recommended by Eclipse Foundation and active contributor to do the conversion
    • Concerns about mixing old and new content are raised but they don't look severe
    • Supported by PMC

-> Tom to handle initial communication on behalf of PMC

  • Planning process relevance
    • the planning process is not providing the detailed and usable plans from the past
    • not a pain point as fewer people participate it but looks like useless exercise quite often
    • to be discussed....


Mar 24, 2021 - Tom, Alex, Lars

  • Pack 200 - API removal in 2 years - 2023-06
    • Should we turn off all pack 200 features in one year, make it consistent across all Java versions.
    • 2022-06 - disable pack200 for all Java versions. Calling the deprecated API will be a no-op
  • Pack 200 - When can we stop generating? Agreed on 2021-09 release. We should set the precedence as early as possible to stop producing pack200 artifacts.
  • split packages
    • Causing issues with mandatory directive and p2 bug 360659 and with tycho.
    • Currently tycho requires some work arounds for usage of split packages
    • Can we work to get rid of split packages. We agreed to investigate the work and move to combine split packages if possible.


Mar 17, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars

  • SWT Chromium support
    • Still no recent version of Chromium with security patches
    • Will be dropped in M1 (if no recent version is provided in the next weeks or if no one steps up)
  • Pack 2000 support
    • not supported anymore as of Java 14
    • will be deprecated and marked for removal
  • Moving Eclipse repos to Github
    • Moving to Github might simplify and therefore increase contributions
    • Huge amount of work in releng
    • Potentially we should all subprojects at the same time
    • We check if the foundation plans to move everything to Gitlab


Mar 10, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex

  • Moving to Jetty 10 for next release
  • platform-dev discussion about move to GitHub
    • conversation is useful, but would take a lot of planning
    • lots of current rel eng dependencies on Gerrit
      • need more community help for rel eng issues
    • a massive amount of history in our Bugzilla
  • release record and proto-plan created for 4.20


Febr 17, 2021 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • Looks good for 4.19 release
  • Mac ARM has to wait for the 4.20 release, as the team fights multiple issues
  • Top-level project page can currently only be edited by Tom, other PMC members also have access to it https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse/who


Dec 15, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • 06. January 2021 is the next meeting
  • How can PMC increase the awareness of the project leads / committers?
    • Maybe invite the project leads once per month to the PMC meeting?
    • Discussion how we can increase the JDT community


Dec 01, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • RC1 is out; final touches on RC2
  • How can we remove the confusion about "e4" project?
    • e4 has always been intended to be a sandbox project where people could try things that are experimental or are on a longer timeline
    • Should be renamed to make it clear this isn't about leftovers from the Eclipse 4.0 work (maybe "eNext"?)
    • Should clean up repos
      • Remove repos that just hold code that has already moved to the platform
      • Remove repos that are no longer getting any investment
      • Work toward moving things that are active/useful into the platform (e.g. "spies" to PDE)

Nov 24, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • PMC is considering the potential of an SDK / IDE working group at the foundation
  • Discussion Do we need the extra releng work to create p2 repositories for milestones?
    • Lot of extra work and sometimes goes wrong
    • All I-Builds are anyway available

-> PMC decided to drop the additional p2 repository -> Alex will be sending out an email about it to inform potential users of the special p2 repos

    • Discussion about the purpose of the milestone week at all

-> Decision not to change the process for now, as the additional testing and focus has also some benefits


Nov 17, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Release 4.18 winding down
    • SWT churn for Linux and Mac Big Sur
    • Does not appear the Foundation got the new Mac Hardware for testing
  • Planning Council discussion
    • Dani filled the Eclipse TLP representation role on the Council
    • Alex can take the lead to that role
    • Alex will look to find a replacement for the tools TLP representative


Nov 10, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Still dealing with the loss of Dani
  • Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
  • Stabilizing for M3
  • Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
  • Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency


Nov 10, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Still dealing with the loss of Dani
  • Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
  • Stabilizing for M3
  • Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
  • Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency


Nov 3, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Dani!


Oct 27, 2020 - Lars, Tom

  • Nothing to discuss


Oct 20, 2020 - Lars, Tom, McQ, Alex

  • EclipseCon is running virtual this week
  • Agreement that removal of API should only before M1 release
  • Proof of concept for using Java 11 http client instead of ECF should be done
  • if we remove ECF we should send out an announcement and keep it for at least one release
  • Decision to start using the @Deprecated(since = "x.y.z", forRemoval = true) for planned API removals if the bundle can use Java 11, wiki for API removal should be updated

Oct 6, 2020 - Dani, Tom, McQ, Alex

  • M1 under control
  • Release train materials being worked
  • Moved to Jetty 9.4.32
  • ECF — need to simplify how we consume http client
    • could use Java11 http client instead, but this would require significant development effort
    • Tom/Alex to take an initial stab at understanding scope + open bugs
  • Proposal: remove API once a year
    • Given the already long time for consumers to respond to API deprecation, PMC decision was to continue to allow API removal in any release. It was felt that the incremental benefit was outweighed by the need to be able to move forward quickly.


Sep 15, 2020 - Dani, Tom, Lars, Alex

  • M1
    • Next week M1 - Alex to send reminder note
    • Holiday in India on this Friday
  • Y-Build for Java 16
    • Builds should be fixed and can continue to progress on Java 16
  • SCR upgrade
    • Some issues with EBR maven plugin
    • causes versions to be incorrectly represented in p2 meta-data
    • Orbit needs a new lead, will end up impacting us if no replacement found
  • Tycho being updated to be able to OSGi-fy JARs if they are not there yet.
    • How to use this for a feature?
    • Behaves much like Orbit to produce new versions of the artifact.
    • Could be the solution for Orbit needs.


Sep 22, 2020 - no meeting


Sep 15, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom, Alex

  • Dani: Java 15 released today
    • 4.17 release together with Marketplace for Java 15 support are ready
    • JDT Java 15 to be merged this week
  • Dani: Zoom call with password unless each of the PMC members can be added as meeting owner so can start the meeting
  • Alex: 4.18 stream opened and releng work calmed down
  • Lars: Cleanup of migration guides
    • Dani: this will break existing links, so existing content have to stay unless someone does all the work to fix our plans and other links that will break
    • McQ: help system needs work to focus on the latest stuff/release, what should we do to achieve it? How can we better shape the help system now that having all content ofline is not a requirement?
    • Alex: do not ship migration, n&n,etc. but rather point to website url from help system
    • Alex: this would also reduce manual work for releng (+1 by Dani)
    • ACTION ITEM: Alex to work on n&n in help system to use the website content directly as a proof of concept for further work


Sep 01, 2020 - Lars, Alex

  • RC1 is fine, no additional requests for RC2


August 25, 2020 - Tom, Lars, Alex, Dani

  • Dani: sent out Endgame plan, RC1 this week, vacation starting on Friday
  • Alex informed about Red Hat's Releng participation


August 18, 2020 - Tom, Lars, Dani

  • Dani to create and send out Endgame plan
  • Looking into Mac Big Sur launching issue (bug 565913)


August 11, 2020 - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ

  • Eclipse Foundation is getting access to an Apple Silicon dev kit
    • Will make it available to SWT devs via cloud connectivity
  • M3 next week; RC1 following week
  • ARM64 port seems to be working fine, except for browser widget (still investigating)


August 4, 2020 - Alex, Lars, Dani

  • no topics to discuss


July 28, 2020 - Tom, McQ

  • no topics to discuss


July 21, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars

  • no topics to discuss
  • Alex on vacation next week


July 14, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars

  • Project status
    • M1 shipped last week
    • Draft Plan for 4.17 posted - additional fixes done after review
    • Release record created for 4.17
  • CQ process discussion - new clearly defined process
    • Note sent to Wayne to get clarifications on handbook, Wayne has made some edits in response. We need to review latest handbook
    • Should simplify IP clearance for third party libraries
      • If a bundle is approved by clearly defined it can be added with no CQ as long as the mavin URLs/coordinates are vetted by clearly defined
      • Orbit should soon automate the linking to clearly defined approvals for bundles added. Currently a work in progress by Roland at Orbit.
      • The ratings system at clearly defined is not used. Only the license check is used.
    • PMC needs to review latest handbook on the topic ... As of now we should move forward with the new process
      • If concerns arise later we will need to take actions to correct
  • bug 565066 - Needs some attention to the solution and testing
    • attempt to make incremental installation be consistent with resolution of a fresh install (or -clean).


June 23, 2020 - no call

June 16, 2020 - no call

June 9, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom

  • McQ: message to guide the community got no public reactions so far
  • Dani: bug reports needed for JDT, do we have PMC agreement?
    • Alex: For me that was approved after jdt-dev vote ended
    • AGREED
  • Dani: RC2 done, no major bug so far but still monitoriing for regressions
  • Alex: 4.17 stream open, not finished until 4.16 if final so all apichecks and etc. are in proper shape
  • Tom: OSGi R8 merge after stabilizing 4.17 stream
  • Tom: OSGi Move to Java 8 right after that
  • Dani: Switch to Java 11 as min version as it was already announced to happen in 4.17 stream shortly


June 2, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom

  • Inactive committer clean up for Eclipse project for the 4.16 release started via bug 563720
  • Infrastructure is really slow for RC2 release
  • RC2 bug queue is really low, one restart issue which is currently under investigated by Tom
  • Discussion about the JDT cleanup e-mails
    • Need to ensure community discussions are positive and respectful.
    • Expectations here should come from leadership
      • LibreOffice did this in the past to great success.
    • Committers can vote against bugs but the tone of the discussion is important.
    • PMC will respond via the public mailing list within a week


May 26, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ


May 19, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex

  • Dani: Issues with the build infrastructure, might endanger M3, the team got a working build for testing
  • Dani: PowerPC hardware was donated so builds are starting again for it
  • Alex: CQ process might get simpler based on blog post from Wayne, Alex to test and validate with Wayne https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/wayne-beaton/revising-eclipse-ip-due-diligence-process-third-party-content
  • Lars: Question if we want to allow "EGit" commit style in Eclipse top-level project. Agreement was to allow it but not to recommend it or enforce it


May 12, 2020 - Tom, Dani, McQ, Lars, Alex

  • Update to themes
    • Preference being added for choosing square vs round tabs
    • Intern from Alex's team is taking up the work
    • Update to Windows theme to be Windows 10
  • Alex brings up changes to CQ requirements. Need to read up on Wayne's post about this and discuss in a future call if we can change how the project does CQs
  • Who is running dark theme?
    • Need someone to cover test of Dark Theme on Linux. Lars indicated that he runs with Linux Dark Theme and can help in coverage
    • Dani described the various members of his team that cover the rest of the platforms
  • Request to contribute to article on what is new in the release for a June newsletter. Lars to contribute improvements in the Dark theme. General request to others to contribute anything else.
  • ppc64le build troubles
    • Been having ongoing issues with the university hosted ppc64le machine we use to build support for ppc64le
    • Currently the ppc64le build has been disabled
    • Need to find alternatives
      • May be able to use something from IBM public cloud
      • Other suggestions: McQ - look towards using emulation, Alex - could do cross-compilation
    • Need to plan if ppc 10 will supported in the future


May 5, 2020 - Dani, Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom

  • M2 shipped on time
    • Dark theme rebuild for M2 due to severe issue
  • ICU4J removal note sent
    • Lars - 2 years notice period needed?
    • Agreement: it's needed as we expose it in API and still have usages in internals so we need time to clean up ourself
    • EPPs cleanup - some blocked by JDT still using it, some by WTP, Rust probably the first one to be icu4j clean
  • Roundes vs square ctabfolder
    • Number of themes to be reduced
    • Performance not being measurable
    • Agreement: add preference to switch the rounded vs
    • Agreement: when preference is available Square is default
  • Windows theme update -
    • Fix colors to match Windows 10
    • GTK looks way more sane as more effort has been invested to keep it current
    • Don't set colors but use the colors from the OS theme is the recipe
    • Ugly white line on windows dark theme needs bugzilla open


April 28, 2020 - Dani, Alex, Lars


April 21, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Q: How do we deal with ICU removal from data binding?
    • Need to follow standard API removal rules
      • Deprecate old API and offer new API
      • Remove deprecated API after 2 years
    • Can we put the old stuff in a fragment that could be removed?
  • Theming: rounded tabs versus square tabs (bug 562221)
    • Should we offer it at all?
    • Alex: Don’t increase the number of themes or options
    • Lars: Square tabs are faster
    • If speed is significant, we should consider changing the default


April 14, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Dani
    • M1 shipped, no problems so far
    • Using ECJ from M1 to build the SDK has some issues, there are people working on it
    • 4.16 plan to be published this week
  • Unanimous decision to continue to use Zoom as usual


April 7, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Dani
    • Created 4.16 plan
    • Created release record for 4.16. Corresponding bug is bug 561643
    • Sent note to add planning bugs for 4.16
    • Please review and provide feedback if any
    • After some infrastructure issues we have a good test build and currently things look good for M1 this week
  • Alex seconded the infrastructure issues and missing test results
  • ICU4J (bug 560312): we decided to remove it piece by piece from projects where possible and where someone is interested to do it. The ICU bundle itself will stay, and we will follow the API removal process when we are ready to remove it, i.e. no usage in the SDK anymore


March 31, 2020 - Dani, Alex, McQ, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: Contacted the ICU4J owner. He updated bug 560312, PMC members will review the comment and we will discuss next week
  • Dani: Planning bugs are created slowly for 4.16. Will send a reminder to the list to submit more. Started to work on plan and release record.


March 24, 2020 - Alex, McQ, Tom

  • Dani: Regrets for the call (Eclipse Board call)
  • Alex: status updates
    • JDT merged Java 14 in master
    • Build instability due to infra status
  • Alex: OSGi R8 modules support - what is it?
    • Tom: ability to represent external content in the OSGi framework
    • Alex: Will it allow shipping eclipse plugins as JPMS modules to ease native library handling?
    • Tom: Haven't found any clear example how JPMS handles this, so good example is needed before could be looked further.


March 17, 2020 - Alex, McQ, Lars Tom, Dani

  • ICU4J use still under discussion
    • Dani still to contact ICU4J owner
  • Shipping Java 14 and 4.15 this week
  • Java 14 work will be merged to master on Wednesday


March 10, 2020 - Lars, Tom

  • Dani: Regrets for the call (vacation)
  • ICU4J use still under discussion
    • if we can be confident that performance and language support are of *similar* quality, we should work towards removing icu4j because it reduces complexity for us, in addition allowing for smaller RCP apps
    • note that we already have mixed usage -- some components using icu4j and some not
  • to clarify approvals that require a project lead can be done by a project lead for any of the Eclipse Project subprojects
    • as usual, the project lead should take care to understand the change and its implications before approving
  • we will move to Jetty 10 (and thus to Java 11) for the fall release
  • RH will be leading releng for 4.16


March 3, 2020 - no meeting


February 25, 2020 - Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex

  • Dani: Created and sent Endgame plan
  • Dani: Submitted IP Log: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21716
  • Alex: SWT on Linux in 4.16 to require Gtk 3.20 to simplify CSS machinery and prep for GTK4
  • Alex: ICU4J removal
    • Dani: ICU4J reacts faster to changes and supports more features (new Japanese era)
    • Alex: It might but Eclipse fails at keeping up so current version shipped with Eclipse misses features that the JVM supports (latest CLDR)
    • Dani: Asks for a proof that JVM is better that ICU
    • Alex: Which metrics to be measured?
    • Dani: Will check with ICU guy about that and whether it's still needed


February 18, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom

  • Dani: need to work on IP Log, Release Review and Endgame Plan
  • Lars: ECF - will we update to the latest
    • Alex: is in the works. Scott needs to provide us with the update
  • Tom: Found an issue with JUnit 5 launching but not reproducible with latest I-build
    • Dani: File a bug if you have steps or contact Noopur directly
  • Dani: Update on X-builds and tags


February 11, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom

  • Alex: Infrastructure is very instable, how can be complain to the foundation?
    • Alex: Eclipse foundation server team not responding to complains and seem unclear about the source of the issue
    • Discussion about makes a stronger statement to the foundation about the bad state of the infrastructure
    • McQ: Suggestion to send a note as PMC to the foundation
    • Dani: First we should ask webmaster why this takes so long
    • Alex: Marketplace infrastructure is also in bad state

-> Alex to contact Denis and to cc the other PMC members

February 4, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Tom

  • OSGi Spec talk
    • OSGi R8 Core will be done this year.
    • May be ready for 4.16, but no rush if it slips to 4.17
    • Will not put anything in master until spec is final which makes it more likely to be 4.17


January 28, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Ongoing saga of the EPP packages
    • Markus did it last week
    • PMC discussed possible futures here, but no conclusions
    • Discussion also happening at the board level
  • M2 is this week
  • Pushing for JUnit updates for M2


January 21, 2020 - Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: EPP builds still missing, Dani contacted Markus Knauer to update EPP for M1, release train is at risk if nobody steps up
  • New test failures are investigated, action plan is to restart the test, if they still fails restart the machine and if the tests still fail, see if a revert fixes the test


January 14, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom

  • Dani: Switch to SUSE Enterprise 15, team is in favor to drop 12
  • Dani: Plan updated to remove Windows 7
  • Alex: Felix Dependencies for SCR done
    • confirm fix for bug 544571
    • releng disruptions during update, but recovered. More disruptions expected as we update dependencies for March release.
    • broken builds, need to get a list of issues. Seems to be more infrastructure issues. Need to report back to the foundation. Example, the signing issue that broken the respin.
  • Some discussion about gitlab option at foundation. bug 537913
    • What happens to gerrit work flow for review?
    • Would dropping bugzilla happen or can we migrate all issues?
    • Without migration it is a no-go for us
    • Currently no plans to move Eclipse project to gitlab at this time.


January 7, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: Created initial 4.15 plan - please have a look
  • Dani: Created release record for 4.15
  • Dani: Sent a note to teams to create their 4.15 plan items/bugs
  • Dani: Do we want to drop support for Windows 7 (remove from Target Environments only)
    • Unanimous decision: Yes
  • Dani: Discuss (again, see below) resolution for stale bugs
    • We want to ask the webmaster that stale bugs are directly closed. ACTION ITEM for Lars
    • We will only auto/mass close existing stale bugs with notification turned off
  • Change rules about x-internal exports (bug 553709)
    • Decision:
    • - Newly added internal packages should not use x-internal exports unless there are very good reasons
    • - For existing packages the x-internal export can be removed with PMC approval

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