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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
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'''April 11, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
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* Martin: '''LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream''' - Like John's reply making the link between the two
 
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* McQ/John: '''Builds''' - Moving forward
 
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* McQ: '''CBI Builds''' - Platform not going to take any ownership but will be a consumer like others - still shooting for Juno SR1
 
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* Andrew: '''4.2 Builds in Fedora 17''' - Testing now
 
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* McQ: '''IBM Ottawa Team moving to new building''' - expect delays during next couple days
 
  
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
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'''April 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* Dani: '''VM Requirements''' - Help no longer works on Java 5, this surprised some people... but Project Plan talks about a Java 6 req now
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** Martin suggestion: on the "Required JVM" table in the Project Plan, add a 2nd column with closure of BREE including all pre-reqs (continue having 1st column the BREE of the bundle itself auto-generated)
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* Dani: '''Jeff still mentioned as PMC member'''
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** '''AI Dani''' send E-Mail
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* Martin: '''Concern about Platform Quality''' - eg SWT Redraws on 3.7.x - Old-time committers moving away
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** McQ: Platform team's focus will continue being maintenance, and new Platform support ... team's capacity is going down, but SWT is not affected mosted
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** Martin: Code contributions are easy, hi-quality triage and review are harder
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** Martin: Re-think the idea of having committers paid by the Foundation and Member Companies paying their share
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*** Example: Why would Pascal review p2 in his sparetime ... but if he gets paid per bug his experience can be extremely valuable
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*** Be more creative on resourcing side
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** McQ: In favor of putting more structure in place similar to LTS ("hire people for fixes") ... just continue with LTS ?
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*** IBM will have a need for fixes for at least another 8 years .. but that's a very self-serving focus
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** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' send E-Mail to Mike to keep the ball rolling
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* Dani: {{bug|375292}} '''Reference to Marketplace in the SDK'''
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** Martin: "Classic" is a Building Block but "Packages" are for end users
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** McQ: The purity of the SDK in itself isn't relevant
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*** Martin: Why not just create a new package "Classic" which is at +3 and pulls in egit + marketplace ... the process for building is all in place, may just need a package reviewer
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' mail Markus
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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'''March 21, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Andrew, Martin
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* McQ '''Oracle Java on Mac'''
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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* Dani '''denyNonFastForward'''
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.
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* McQ '''JDT Team might see some losses'''
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* Andrew '''Running OpenJDK tests now on ARM''' :)
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''March 14, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, John
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* Losing Eclipse project release engineer next week
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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* David Williams is stepping in to help with our builds until Juno
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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* Most immediate issue is that our build needs elevated privileges to tag, sign, and promote builds
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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** kmoir was the only committer with sufficient privileges
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
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** We either need to give another committer sufficient rights, or give build user access it needs
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** Could use hooks to ensure build user isn't doing anything other than tagging
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** All agreed the build user approach was the best option. John to open bug against foundation to carry it out
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'''March 7, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Martin, John
 
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* John: '''API Deletions''' {{bug|370248}} - PMC agrees.
 
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* McQ: '''Common Build Infrastructure at the Foundation'''
 
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** Shipping Platform Juno bits built by PDE ... but Foundation wants EPP packages built by Tycho; Platform can't support this
 
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*** Reason might be that 4.2 is planned to be the start of LTS and VLTS .. ok for now if LTS bits are different since not publicly available
 
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*** Plus, LTS really starts after Juno SR2 ... Platform might be in a better position for Tycho by then
 
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*** In Linux, Fedora also builds by themselves ... but assumption is that people come to Fedora support first
 
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** Martin, Andrew really concerned about fragmentation and duplication of effort ... eg what if the qualifiers don't match
 
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** Should be treated as proof of concept but not publicly available until Juno SR2, in order to avoid fragmentation !
 
  
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''February 29, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* John: Orion team received a box full of '''Black Ducks''' to honour their Black Duck Rookie of the Year award
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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* Dani: '''Gerrit Move'''
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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** John: Important information needs to stay in Bugzilla ... don't pull from outside git exclusively
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
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* Andrew: '''Platform Defect Contest'''
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** McQ concern: Lots of duplicate bugs would take focus away from the team
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** Martin: Could encourage triage as part of the contest, and only count good/new bugs
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** John: Some low-hanging fruit bugs in Platform UI but not necessarily in 4.x ("helpwanted")
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** John: Re-introduce the "greatbug" keyword ?
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*** A greatbug is relevant, new, good description that helps understanding/finding the issue; ideally with a patch.
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*** Resolution: '''AI John''' send note to Mike
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* John: '''PDE API Moved'''
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** Some internal, provisional API was migrated to full API in this release
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** Someone from SAP (Dimitar Giormov) Asked adding back the provisional API such that they could support 2 versions of Eclipse with one codebase
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** McQ: Would have helped them 4 years ago .. but at the moment don't have enough people
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*** McQ: Question how pervasive their use of the old API is ... how much Reflection would they need to put int
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*** One resolution could be OK but only if they provide all the patches
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** This kind of duplication is error prone and adds a maintenance burden on the project
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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'''February 22, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Andrew
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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* Repeat of PDE build discussion from last week. We decided to nominate John Arthorne as a committer so we at least have someone to accept community patches. We will revisit after Juno and perhaps do a larger restructuring
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** Well received so far
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* Communication with eGit: We have written some patches for eGit that have been growing stale. Dani will review the patches, and then send an email to eGit lead asking if there is a particular reason for not accepting them. If there is no problem with the patches we will track down an eGit committer to release them.
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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* Andrew asked about process for approving CQs:
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Any PMC member can feel free to approve CQs
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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** New versions of existing third party libraries are a no-brainer, typically just +1 right away
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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** For new third party libraries we may need a PMC discussion about why the library is needed, what feature it will live in, etc
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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** For code contributions just make sure the legal process has been followed and then +1. We generally trust the judgement of the committer who will process the contribution.
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* ECF relation
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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= Archive =
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'''February 15, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John
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* Some discussion of what to do with PDE Build, which lacks committers. PDE as a whole has barely enough committers to be a functioning project, so maybe we should be looking at a larger restructuring after
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Juno rather than one piece at a time. We lacked quorum to make a decision so we will defer discussion to another week.
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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'''February 8, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, McQ
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* Andrew: Eclipse stand at '''FOSDEM in Brussles'''
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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** Lots of people just dropped by to say hi and thanks
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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** Mike Milinkovich was showing off Orion; Gunnar and Andrew did others (Web, EclipseRT, C/C++)
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* McQ: '''4.2 Quality''' ... current list of defects looks manageable to tick all off .. any messaging we want to do ?
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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'''February 1, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, John
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
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* Dani: '''No UA Committers any more''' - move UA under Platform UI such that at least somebody can apply patches
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** AI John check with Wayne ... UA is a subcomponent now, may not even need a move review.
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* Dani: {{bug|343150}} git '''DenyNonFastForward'''
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** Orion could eventually add tooling to support easy workflows in spite of deny on the repo ... but not in this release
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** Ping on the bug again and proceed
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* John: Decide when to switch 4.2 builds from re-using 3.x binary bundles vs full 4.x builds
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** Today, the 4.x testsuite just tests 4.x specific stuff; things like JDT tests just run against 3.8 today
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** Today, cannot generate Javadocs in 4.x today sine it needs the full source
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** Today, nightlies are running 3.x only (could change to running 4.x nightlies only)
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** Today, 3.x builds run at IBM and 4.x builds run at Eclipse.org
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** Only few test failures left in the 4.x builds --&gt; ready to switch
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** AI: '''Kim''' to send 4.x test results to the mailing list, consider switching right after M5
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** '''Performance Tests:''' Not yet run on 4.x yet - should be able to run on Denis' vserver
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*** IBM is going to lose the physical machines for performance tests in 2 weeks ! (Going to migrate to vserver too!)
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*** Need a new baseline
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** Andrew: at '''FOSSLC''' in Brussels this week, going to represent Eclipse with Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and others
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* '''Gerrit''': Platform won't jump in as an early adopter this time, wait for other projects first
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** Not all Platform Unittests can run on Hudson today (need at least some fingerprint tests to get value from Gerrit)
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'''January 25, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
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* McQ: '''Note about 4.2 on Release Train'''
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* Andrew: '''Eclipse 4.2 for Fedora''' - Feature note written for Eclipse Juno led to some discussion at Eng.Steering Committee, but finally approved
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* Dani: Team down by 1 but no impact (Dani is going to take over responsibilities)
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* John: '''Build Failures in UA, Update, PDE, p2 yesterday''' after the move to Java 7... nobody watching these, need to find caretakers
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** UA tests often fail due to a link validity checker, these can be caused by anyone
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** Certificate Validity issue (Jar signing)
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'''January 18, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
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* McQ: '''4.2 quality''' and next steps
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** More resources found to enable 4.2 as the LTS base - encouraging, although some items still missing
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** Fedora 17 think about shipping 4.2m6 (work ongoing) - that would be a large stack on top of 4.2
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** John: '''Oracle Java 7 as Reference Platform''' now that the most severe issues are fixed (Java 6 EOL is June 2012 !) - that is Oracle, not OpenJDK
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*** Not remove Java 6 for now
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*** Fedora also does all tests on 7
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'''January 11, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* McQ: '''State of Presentation API's'''
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** Different API's in 4.2 and 3.x -- will need to deprecate API in 3.x
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** Christian suggested deleting API that's not implemented in 4.x to get compile errors ... John thinks that binary compatibility is more important
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*** Plugins will be "mostly OK", presentation API is cosmetic anyways
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** McQ: get in touch with clients who use presentation API, telling them what's best to do ... often newer 4.x infrastructure is much better than trying to keep 3.x around forever
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* Andrew: '''Cairo and GTK3'''
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* John: '''4.2 compiling now'''
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* Martin: '''Updated JSch-0.1.44 version''' - how to announce properly
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** AI Martin Announce on eclipse-dev and cross-project
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** Should also put into migrtion notes and README
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'''January 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* McQ: Pascal's note about p2 leadership .. not sure who could step in and make a commitment (may see the same fate as UA)
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** Tom Watson looking for candidates, but looks like none in McQ's team
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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