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EMIWG/MembersCall-29-January-2009

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Time

Berlin, Stockholm, Salzburg 5:00:00 PM UTC+1 hours
Helsinki (Finland) 6:00:00 PM UTC+2 hours
London (U.K.) 4:00:00 PM UTC+0 hour
San Francisco (U.S.A. - California) 8:00:00 AM UTC-8 hours
Sao Paulo (Brazil - São Paulo) 2:00:00 PM UTC-2 hours

Click here for Complete Listing of World Clock Timezones.

Dial-in Info

Toll free:

  • US & Canada: 1877 825 8522
  • UK: 0808 234 7914
  • Brazil: 0800 891 6634
  • Finland: 0800 11 6433
  • Sweden: 020 79 3867 or 020 088 4643
  • More international call-in Numbers, see: EMIWG/InternationalDialInNumbers

International Toll Number: US: +1 702 495 1500

Passcode: 9190565826 (CHANGED from last meeting!!)

Attendees (Tentative)

  • Eclipse Foundation (Ian Skerrett)
  • Motorola (Dino Brusco, Christian Kurzke, Gustavo, Eric Cloninger)
  • Nokia ([Rich Bartlett], Ronnie King (Carbide.c++) )
  • Craig Setera
  • RIM (Ken Wallis (eclipse team lead), Matt Whiteman, Adam Abramski, Cassidy Gentle)
  • Sony Ericsson (Thomas Westing)
  • Intel (Bob Spencer (OSS technologies, MobLin architect)
  • Genuitec (Wayne Parrott, Maher Masri, Todd Williams) project Firefly
  • Mark Rogalski (eRCP Project)


(Roll Call)

Proposed Agenda

Review of the Agenda

(anyone have some last minute Agenda items)


Brief Update from the Business Side

Dino Brusco:

Brief overview of proposed future Meeting Structure and Work Streams.

Clearer separation of

  • Technical working topics
  • Business topics

Inclusiveness of non-Java mobile devices. How to better proceed with:

  • Native target development (TML, Tools for Linux, etc)
  • Web development

Reminder of Member benefits for upcoming events:

  • Joint Marketing
  • Voting on
    • Deployment requirements and formats (topic discussed later)
    • Inclusion on the SDK download portal


Review of Current Work

Note: Craig is only available for 1/2 hour, so topics that relate to his work and MTJ are moved to the beginning of the meeting.


Mobile Tools for Java Device Support

There is an ongoing discussion about "Extension Points to register devices", see: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-mtj-dev/threads.html#00788

How this relates to the MADK:

  • The proposed "discovery and download" of vendor SDK's could use this mechanism to register devices which are supported by this SDK.
  • Without such a functionality, the MADK has no "official and documented" API to perform this functionality.

Members of the EMIWG are encouraged to review and participate in this discussion on the MTJ mailing list.

As a side-note: This proposed Extension Point will modify the API of MTJ, and has possible impact on a 1.0 release schedule. There is a risk that with current resources in MTJ project this change cannot be included in Galileo train release.

Craig Setera: Report on Device Fragmentation

Craig to go over his presentation of Device Fragmentation

Download slides HERE: https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/go/doc1363?nav=1

Questions:

  • Can this be applicable to "other than Java" developers?

Evaluation of alternative Eclipse Packaging mechanisms

Contacted Ian/Doug/Bjorn at the Foundation to find out details about the Eclipse Packaging Project. According to Foundation, the code is currently not in active development. Plans to re-activate project in spring timeframe.

When further investigating, it seems the EPP project had a different focus, and would actually create packages OF Eclipse, not FOR Eclipse.

Most promising avenue is currently using straight P2 Mechanism, see more about general P2 ideas at:


Proposal to create a UI Workflow for MADK similar to: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_UI_3.5_workflows Volunteers?


New Work Items

Impact of Packaging Mechanism on SDK vendors

Create a list of pro/con of using P2 packaging to distribute SDK.

Pro:

  • Easy, existing download mechanism and packaging format
  • Seamless integration into Eclipse
  • Benefit from automatic Update Manager mechanism

Con:

  • Requires re-package of existing distribution format
    • Volunteers to evaluate impact
  • May require server side changes?
    • How to handle Authentication/log-in on SDK vendor server? (e.g. Motodev user login, Ericsson Developer World, Forum Nokia & others)


Supported Platforms

In the Q2 Timeframe, which platforms should we focus on?

  • Windows (Vista??)
  • MacOS
  • Linux

Note: There is many mobile developers on Mac and Linux which currently are not supported by Netbeans Mobility pack


Road Map (Long Term) Work Items

Device Fragmentation

Evaluate Mobile Device fragmentation topics (as addressed in last call)


Mobile Distillery is also now shipping a plug-in to support Netbeans developers. Anyone has contacts there to see if there is interest to create an Eclipse version?


Native Development

How are we integrating to the TmL and Tools for Linux projects?

How can we support mobile Web development?


Evaluation of Wireless Toolkit 3.0

Volunteers to create a competitive analysis of WTK3?

There is several possible impacts of WTK.

  • Tight integration of Emulator and Netbeans
    • "SDK" cannot be downloaded without a mini-version of Netbeans.
  • Not clear if it still supports UEI
    • Will we be able to "import" WTK 3 into MTJ?
    • Does WTK3 support the import of UEI SDKs? (e.g. for 3rd parties)

It is also not clear if UEI has been changed/extended by WTK3. There is no official specification update released.

Upcoming Events

Next Steps, Action Items

Next Meeting

Review proposed date/time for Face to Face meeting: http://wiki.eclipse.org/EMIWG/Face2Face-EclipseCon2009

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