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| '''E4 Resources meeting'''
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| Date & Time: 
| Friday [[Apr 17, 2009]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=17&year=2009&hour=15&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 1500 UTC / 11am EDT / 8am PDT]<br>[[Image:Ical.gif]][http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ctri5teoag0n87t2qu9bla8u3g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics iCal],[[Image:Xml.gif]][http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/ctri5teoag0n87t2qu9bla8u3g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic ATOM News Feed],[[Image:Html.gif]][http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ctri5teoag0n87t2qu9bla8u3g%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Canada/Toronto HTML]
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== Attendees ==
* Doug Schaefer, Serge Beauchamp, Kenn Hussey, Szymon Brandys

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* Signed up:
** Wind River - Doug Schaefer, Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf
** Embarcadero - Kenn Hussey
** Freescale - Serge Beauchamp
** NVidia - Eric Frey
** Google - Terry Parker, Tom Ball, Sergey Prigogin
** IBM - John Arthorne, Szymon Brandys, Pawel Pogorzelski, Mike Wilson, Boris Bokowski, Chris Recoskie, 
** Nokia - Ken Ryall
** Broadcom - James Blackburn
** SAP - 
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== Agenda/Notes ==

* Not much new happened this week. Everyone has been busy on other things. A lot of people are busy working towards M7 of Galileo.

* Had a great discussion on REST and what it would look like for resources.
** Every resource is identified with URI
** Use search to find resources that are interesting
** But what do you do with the parent/child hierarchies and the project navigator?
*** The URI paths still represent structure like this, but no standard way to get list of children in REST
*** It's a new work flow, this structure is less important now that we have search
*** Doug after the meeting: We could derive the structure from the indexes driving the search to satisfy the curmudgeons

* This led to an interesting discussion on a big missing piece of e4, the IDE
** So focused on being more than an IDE at Eclipse that we're neglecting it
** We should look at workflow improvements as part of e4.
** Mylyn is doing to some really cool things, is there more of this we can do as part of e4?

* [[IRC]] irc://#eclipse-e4 parallel to the meeting

* '''e4 update''' from yesterday's [[e4/Meeting Minutes/Status 20090416]] call
** Nothing new there either.

* Next meeting slot (1-May) is a public holiday in many countries, how to proceed?
** We can have it anyway. My (Doug's) calendar is pretty full to move this to another day.

=== Review of Action Items ===
* Last Meeting: [[E4/Resources/Meeting/3-Apr-2009]]
* (old) '''Martin''' create SearchCVS service for e4 resources - started on database, query missing '''AI mail e4-dev'''
* (old) '''Martin''' send a proposal regarding experimental API tagging policy to the e4 mailing list - pending {{bug|261874}} AC discussion about provisional API
* (old) '''Ken''' put references to bugs which are interesting for him into the meeting notes
* (old) '''Ken''' have somebody from Symbian Foundation comment on {{bug|249745}} regarding their experiences with git and Mercurial
* '''Kenn''' to create bug for modeled resources
* '''Martin''' to ping Chris Recoskie
* '''Martin''' to create bug for RESTful resources discussions
* Open items moved to [[#Action Items]]

=== Discussion ===

=== Current work items (master bugs) ===
* {{bug|252647}} - Master plan item for e4 flexible resources (referenced on [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=eclipse e3.5 project plan])
** {{bug|252996}} - Serge: Resource Tree Filters - ''in e4 currently''
** {{Bug|229633}} - Serge: Linked resources with relative path / variable-based; grouping feature - ''in e4 currently''
** {{bug|245412}} - Martin: Physically nested projects - many related bugs e.g. James Blackburn {{bug|253898}} LaunchManager
** {{Bug|233939}} - Martin: Alias Management for symlinks - James Blackburn filed {{bug|253912}} common IResource for all aliases
** {{Bug|244979}} - Martin: Lazy Refresh
** {{Bug|253705}} - Szymon: Support for "branched" file systems (EFS for iSeries) - no coding yet but collected some iFS material
** {{bug|255425}} - Terry: Support for transactions when modifying ProjectDescription
** {{bug|215261}} - Chris: EFS logical/physical API
==== Additional items not (yet) linked off the master bug ====
* Metadata: Sharing/Linking/Inheritance of project settings? Pluggable Project Persistence? What to do for Build stuff
** {{bug|255371}} Modeled Preferences
* Faceted Project Framework - Eric Frey been looking at it, looks very interesting on the surface, would like to see it in CDT
** {{bug|102527}} Project refactoring - add and remove project natures
* Lightweight Resources: Terry Parker (tried TPTP now for profiling, now using JProfiler (slows down by 5-10x) - got pulled off into something else
* Remote File System: Chris Recoskie (currently releasing PTP/RDT, will jump on e4 later, no news)
** {{bug|253777}} Support async programming patterns in Core
** EFS Performance: tons of stat requests, should Resource layer do more caching or will we want a caching EFS implementation such as [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-incubator-e4-dev/msg00873.html Hadoop DFS]?
* {{Bug|198591}} Allow builder to specify scheduling rule (builder to operate on a single project only, or run in parallel to other WS operations)
* {{Bug|263671}} Project cloning and relocation capability
* Workspace Concept Separation
** '''John''' separate workspace from instance area bug - see [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245399#c2 bug 245399 comment 2]
** {{bug|245405}} workspace description files for pushing workspace prefs to team members / facilitated on-boarding
** {{bug|245399}} multi-workspace

* [[E4/Resources/Definitions of Terms]] what is a workspace?

It looks like we're building things bottom up.

== Action Items ==

== Next Meeting ==
* Next [[E4/Resources/Meeting/1-May-2009]] (2 weeks after)