DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 8-Nov-2006

Dial-in numbers and passcodes have changed for this call only. We'll revert to our regular numbers next month.

Meeting Title:	Conference Call on Target Management
Date & Time:	Wednesday November 8, 2006 at 1700 UTC / 9am PST
International Dial-in	+1 314 655 1411
North American Dial-In	+1 877 422 0035
Passcode:	764918#

Attendees

• Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Ted Williams, Michael Scharf
• IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal
• Symbian - Javier Montalvo
• Motorola - Christian Kurzke, Ruth Soliani, Maureen Brenner

Agenda

Recent Download Statistics

RSE 1.0 Download statistics as per 7-Nov-2006

Component	M4	M5	RC1	RC2	RC3	RC4
Date	18-Aug	22-Sep	08-Oct	20-Oct	30-Oct	03-Nov
RSE-SDK	4	38	164	177	113	68
rseserver-windows	1	11	70	62	24	34
rseserver-linux	1	6	39	28	19	9
rse.core (Update Site)			66	46	72	28
Total			230	223	185

• Download Statistics Analysis
  • RC1 was just after the "getting mature" blog (18-Sep)
  • RC2 was just after the "release test" blog (11-Oct); also, 20-Oct was the originally planned release date
  • Most people still prefer the SDK, although the update site is gaining momentum
    • On the update site, 60% get the .jar.pack.gz but 40 % get the .jar file
  • Looking at RC1, Grouping by country is:
    • RSE-SDK: Germany=38, China=26, US=25, France=10, Canada=8, Turkey=7, Austria=6
    • Update Site: US=23, France=10, Sweden=4, Austria=3 China=3, Denkmark=3, Germany=3, Italy=3
    • rseserver: Germany=20, US=19, China=7, France=6, Belgium=6

Update on RSE Status

• All blockers towards RSE 1.0 resolved finally - about files review finally done by emo
• New TM FAQ on TM and RSE FAQ
• Project Plan status
  • CDT Launcher now works on dstore as well
  • Jakarta commons-net - working fine for FTP
  • JUnit tests - due to slow legal approval, we now have a framework but no tests yet
  • Going to join Europa Simultaneous Release
• Comments regarding the 1.0 release?
  • Great work - using RSE almost daily (Michael Scharf)

Documentation: Which are the best places to start with?

• RSE Developer Docs
• From the TM Getting Started page: Eclipse Summit Europe Architecture Overview Slides
  • From the Developer Docs: Chicago Meeting Brainstorming Notes, Chicago Meeting Overview Slides
  • Use Cases document (old now but still up-to-date -- everybody agreed that this is where we want to get to)
  • Upcoming Tutorial for EclipseCon2007

Motorola - Christian Kurzke

• Dev.environment for all Motorola hardware, going Eclipse now (also new TmL project)
  • Interested in contributing towards version 2: bring requirements to the table, TM for cellphones, embedded settop boxes
  • Looks like there is a lot of existing support for Linux workstations; new requirements coming for "bare metal" stuff; Motorola's requirements are somewhere in the middle
    • Maureen to get in closer touch technically

Community's most wanted - who's working on what?

• Wicked Shell
• WR Terminalview: Michael Scharf currently heavily refactoring this, such that connection can be exchanged; hopes to be finished in the next few days --> FAQ
• There is usage for both commandview (line-based text output) and terminalview
• Plans to extend RSE more to the target? (native agent) FAQ
  • Until recently, the strategy was that companies already have proprietary agents, and they'd write extensions to RSE that integrates with the existing proprietary agent
  • There seems to be field demand for an Open Source agent solution; TPTP already has a Framework for agents; might investigate an integration of RSE with the TPTP agent in the future, rather than developing yet another agent. Symbian thinks about adding this to RSE 2.0
  • TPTP is C++, which might be a problem on some very small devices; but Motorola to look at it
  • Motorola has proprietarty C-based agent now; want an agent framework that can be extended, such that agent extensions (modules) can be downloaded
  • Writing a native C implementation of the DStore agent might also be an option
  • Christian wrote something like an OSGi framework in native code for dynamic loading of modules, might be an interesting starting point
• Questions? Requests?

Communications

• After 1.0, committers will have a 6-week phase of maintenance, doc update, polishing etc. culminating in RSE 1.0.1 mid december; gives time to work on themes and priorities for RSE 2.0
• Please fill in RSE 2.0 Planning - your "wishlist"
• Collaborations with other projects (Platform/Team, PTP, CDT, TPTP, WTP, ECF, Aperi, g-Eclipse)
  • Martin wants Platform/Team to get ssh2 preference page under category "Connections"
  • Javier in contact with ECF for service discovery
  • Michael: DD project has new views for async updates of trees; might be a better view for the RSE tree
• Technology sub-groups
  • Update on Autodetect (Javier)
    • Currently no plans to extend discovery beyond what's already there; waiting for community input
• What's the preferred way of communicating - newsgroup or dev-mailing list?
  • The newsgroup is not very active, we are using the dsdp-tm-dev list for most communications (probably because most users are also interested in contributing)

Action Items to Review

• Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 4-Oct-2006

New Action Items

• Everybody - Get latest RSE I-builds (download page), sanity-check (RSE 1.0 Test Instructions page) and verify late bug fixes (Bugzilla: RSE bugs fixed last week)
• Everybody - Review and edit the RSE 2.0 Planning page
• Maureen to try RSE, review docs, and get in contact with the dsdp-tm-dev list (probably setup a 1-on-1 talk)
• Christian to look at options for Open Remote Agents (TPTP and others)
• Martin - add FAQ items for Commandview vs. Terminal, Remote Native Agents
• DaveD - begin EMO review submission for SSH/Processes patch from MontaVista

Next Meeting

• Next DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Dec-2006 (Wednesday, 4 weeks)