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DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 26-Mar-2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).


Current Work

  • Skype Call Quality
    • Better redial if quality problems
  • EclipseCon 2008 Report
    • Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
    • TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
    • TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
    • Blog Post about TCF
    • CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
    • DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
    • Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
    • E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
      • In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
    • Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
    • Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
    • Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
    • RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
    • Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
  • M6 Focus
    • M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
    • Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
    • NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6
    • Unit Tests - next priority after API
    • Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
    • Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
  • Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches
    • bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog
    • bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
    • bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
    • See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached
  • Bug Discussions
    • bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI DaveD help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow
    • bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - AI DaveM implement version handshake as discussed - this is API!
      • (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake)
    • bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
    • bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, AI Martin comment on bug (object reference idea)
    • bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local
    • bug 220995 Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction
    • bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - AI DaveM create new defect for the API change
      • DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
      • Looks like we won't get to this for M6
  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
    • bug 215301 New Standard Project Plan Format
  • TM Website
    • AI Kevin follow up on his website proposals
  • Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
    • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests
    • Current situation is on this bugzilla report
    • Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag //-test-author:YourName in front of it
      • DaveM - 5
      • DaveD - 22
      • KevinD - 11
      • MartinO - 3
      • TobiasS - 3
      • UweS - 7
      • XuanC - 51
      • Total - 101
      • Javier - 0
  • Javier almost finished on Symbian assignment, will have some time for RSE but needs to talk to Manager
    • Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
    • bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands
  • DaveD
    • bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - subsystem category would be orthogonal to subsystem family -- family would be related to connector service -- change wizard pages from API into plugin.xml markup? AI All comment on the bug
    • Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use one format for export only in the UI,, perhaps allow multiple providers for import (for migration), perhaps allow multiple kinds of export via API.
  • DaveM: -
    • EFS and encodings - No response from platform - suggstion alternative EFS provider, continue discussion on the defect
  • Kevin: - bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
  • Xuan: - Will mostly be busy with IBM / Migration work; add useractions to PII mapfile
  • Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
    • Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and
    • JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
    • Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: -
  • Michael: -
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: Review bug 216252 SystemMessages refactoring
  • DaveD:
  • DaveM: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Xuan: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Kevin: Website Updates
  • Martin: finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
  • Javier: bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
  • Michael: Terminal improvements

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