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− | + | === '''EclipseCon 2008 Report''' === | |
− | ** | + | * Best EclipseCon Ever :-) |
− | ** {{Bug| | + | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=38 TM Tutorial] - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback |
− | * | + | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=39 TM Short Talk] - may re-use slides |
− | ** '''AI | + | * [http://tmober.blogspot.com/2008/03/target-communication-framework-tcf.html Blog Post about TCF] |
− | * Bug | + | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=323 CDT Remote / RDT] call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now |
+ | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=582 DSDP BOF] - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators | ||
+ | * Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather [http://douggaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipsecon-08-we-barely-knew-ye.html disappointing keynote] by Sam Ramji - no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace | ||
+ | * E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting | ||
+ | ** In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started | ||
+ | * Played with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=117 DTP / SQL Query Builder], [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=173 BIRT Charting] | ||
+ | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=272 Eclipse Command Language (ECL)] looked very interesting | ||
+ | * Automated UI testing: [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=440 RCP Robot and FIT] was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=238 Fixtures maintained by the developer] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=254 SWT Bot] for the actual test execution | ||
+ | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=213 RTSC] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=37 NAB] were excellent talks from DSDP | ||
+ | * Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about [http://www.eclipse.org/ecf ECF] especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now | ||
+ | * Most funny EclipseCon stuff: [http://jonathancarter.co.za/vista-toilet-paper Vista SP1 Features], How to [http://eclipsewebmaster.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipse-ip-done-easy.html get IP approved quicly], the most [http://pookzilla.net/wp/2008/03/are-you-experienced/ awsome guy at Eclipse] and its [http://inside-swt.blogspot.com/2008/03/fake-steve-northover.html Fake], stuff from the [http://eclipse-ecosystem.blogspot.com/2008/03/fake-steve-uncensored-eclipsecon.html Fake Steve Jobs] blog | ||
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+ | === '''M6 Focus''' === | ||
+ | * M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time | ||
+ | * Currently [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=3.0+M6&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit 39 bugs assigned M6] - especially DaveD - what can we really get done | ||
+ | * NLS Fixes - few still missing, see [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01723.html mailing list] - '''must have for M6''' | ||
+ | * '''Unit Tests''' - next priority after API | ||
+ | * Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API) | ||
+ | * Adopting [[Api Tooling]]: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed {{Bug|222905}} - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0 | ||
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+ | === '''Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches''' === | ||
+ | * {{Bug|210682}} Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog | ||
+ | * {{Bug|214887}} WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review | ||
+ | * {{Bug|170910}} RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell | ||
+ | * See the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/bug_process.php Bug Process Page] for a query for open bugs with patches attached | ||
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+ | === '''Bug Discussions''' === | ||
+ | * {{bug|190231}} subsystem UI -> Core: '''AI DaveD''' help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow | ||
+ | * {{Bug|220892}} reving down dstore protocol version - '''AI DaveM''' implement version handshake as discussed - this is API! | ||
+ | ** (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake) | ||
+ | * {{Bug|221211}} MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. '''AI DaveD/DaveM''' update Javadocs when it's clear what we want | ||
+ | * {{Bug|220379}} Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, '''AI Martin''' comment on bug (object reference idea) | ||
+ | * {{Bug|220547}} SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local | ||
+ | * {{bug|220995}} Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction | ||
+ | * {{bug|218947}} IRemotePath idea - '''AI DaveM''' create new defect for the API change | ||
+ | ** DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service? | ||
+ | ** Looks like we won't get to this for M6 | ||
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+ | * '''Bugzilla''': | ||
+ | ** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit Severity Major], [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&field0-0-0=priority&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=P%5B12%5D&field0-0-1=bug_severity&type0-0-1=regexp&value0-0-1=blocker%7Ccritical%7Cmajor hi-priority] | ||
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+ | * '''Quality, Backlog and Unit Tests''' | ||
+ | ** Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan | ||
** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests | ** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests | ||
** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap&negate0=1&field0-0-0=resolution&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=DUPLICATE this bugzilla report] | ** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap&negate0=1&field0-0-0=resolution&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=DUPLICATE this bugzilla report] | ||
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*** '''Total - 101''' | *** '''Total - 101''' | ||
*** Javier - 0 | *** Javier - 0 | ||
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+ | === Committer Status and Report === | ||
* '''Javier''' almost finished on Symbian assignment, will have some time for RSE but needs to talk to Manager | * '''Javier''' almost finished on Symbian assignment, will have some time for RSE but needs to talk to Manager | ||
** Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0 | ** Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0 | ||
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* '''Questions''' | * '''Questions''' | ||
− | * ''' | + | === Future and Planning === |
− | ** | + | * '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto |
+ | ** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review! | ||
+ | ** {{Bug|215301}} New Standard Project Plan Format | ||
+ | * TM Website | ||
+ | ** '''AI Kevin''' follow up on his website proposals | ||
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== Vacation, Away == | == Vacation, Away == |
Revision as of 10:19, 26 March 2008
Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
Date & Time: | Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg |
Dial-in: | Martin to call everybody by Skype |
Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #
MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.
Contents
Invited Attendees
- IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).
Agenda
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008
- Skype Call Quality
- Better redial if quality problems
EclipseCon 2008 Report
- Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
- TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
- TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
- Blog Post about TCF
- CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
- DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
- Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
- E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
- In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
- Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
- Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
- Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
- RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
- Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
- Most funny EclipseCon stuff: Vista SP1 Features, How to get IP approved quicly, the most awsome guy at Eclipse and its Fake, stuff from the Fake Steve Jobs blog
M6 Focus
- M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
- Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
- NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6
- Unit Tests - next priority after API
- Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
- Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches
- bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog
- bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
- bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
- See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached
Bug Discussions
- bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI DaveD help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow
- bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - AI DaveM implement version handshake as discussed - this is API!
- (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake)
- bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
- bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, AI Martin comment on bug (object reference idea)
- bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local
- bug 220995 Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction
- bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - AI DaveM create new defect for the API change
- DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
- Looks like we won't get to this for M6
- Bugzilla:
- Quality, Backlog and Unit Tests
- Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
- Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests
- Current situation is on this bugzilla report
- Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag //-test-author:YourName in front of it
- DaveM - 5
- DaveD - 22
- KevinD - 11
- MartinO - 3
- TobiasS - 3
- UweS - 7
- XuanC - 51
- Total - 101
- Javier - 0
Committer Status and Report
- Javier almost finished on Symbian assignment, will have some time for RSE but needs to talk to Manager
- Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
- bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands
- DaveD
- bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - subsystem category would be orthogonal to subsystem family -- family would be related to connector service -- change wizard pages from API into plugin.xml markup? AI All comment on the bug
- Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use one format for export only in the UI,, perhaps allow multiple providers for import (for migration), perhaps allow multiple kinds of export via API.
- DaveM: -
- EFS and encodings - No response from platform - suggstion alternative EFS provider, continue discussion on the defect
- Kevin: - bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
- Xuan: - Will mostly be busy with IBM / Migration work; add useractions to PII mapfile
- Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
- Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
- JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
- Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
- Uwe: -
- Rupen: -
- Michael: -
- Questions
Future and Planning
- Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
- Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
- bug 215301 New Standard Project Plan Format
- TM Website
- AI Kevin follow up on his website proposals
Vacation, Away
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- Everyone: Review bug 216252 SystemMessages refactoring
- DaveD:
- DaveM: Use Properties for Unit Tests
- Xuan: Use Properties for Unit Tests
- Kevin: Website Updates
- Martin: finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
- Javier: bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
- Michael: Terminal improvements
Next Meeting
- Next BugDay/March_2008 on Mar 28
- Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 2-Apr-2008 at 9am PST / 1600 UTC
- DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 9-Apr-2008 (2 weeks) at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1000 Rochester / 1100 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg -- take care of DST differences!