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== Time ==

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| San Francisco (U.S.A. - California) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 6:00:00 AM || UTC-7 hours PDT
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| Austin (U.S.A. - Texas) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 8:00:00 AM || UTC-5 hours CDT
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| Boston (U.S.A. - Massachusetts) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 9:00:00 AM || UTC-4 hours EDT
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| Salzburg (Austria) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 2:00:00 PM || UTC+1 hour CET
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| Helsinki (Finland) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 3:00:00 PM || UTC+2 hours EET
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| Tokyo (Japan) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 10:00:00 PM || UTC+9 hours
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| Corresponding UTC (GMT) || Friday, November 2, 2007 at 13:00:00 || UTC	
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== Dial-in Info ==

* US: 800-741-0846
* International: 706-679-9532
* Passcode: 7817182169#

== Invited Attendees ==

* Mark Burton (traveling)
* Mika Hoikkala (absent)
* Martin Oberhuber
* Shigeki Moride
* Christian Kurzke
* Mark Rogalski
* Pawel Piech
* Doug Gaff

== New Business ==
* (Deferred) Introducing the [http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/vpp/ VPP] proposed project and Mark Burton

* EclipseCon submissions
** 2 weeks left until the submission deadline closes.  It's very important to get the submissions in ASAP.
** Allocation notes: I am trying to leave room for submissions that aren’t specifically DSDP, but are in the embedded/mobile space.  VPP and RTSC are newly proposed projects (only one has been officially announced).
** Doug S has offered a tutorial slot from CDT so that #3 below can be two slots long.
** Feedback during meeting: everyone is happy with the allocations below and will submit when the submission system opens up.
** Tutorials (3) 
*** (1) Target Management (Martin, Dave) 
*** (2) eRCP/eSWT (Gorkem, Mark) 
*** (3) Building a debugger on DSF and Flexible Hierarchy (Darin, Pawel) - Will maybe use CDT's slot.
** Long Talks (4) 
*** (1) Tools for Mobile Linux (Christian/Maureen) - implementor focus
*** (2) User focused talk / panel 
*** (3) User focused talk 
*** (4) User focused talk 
** Short Talks (10) 
*** What's new in Ganymede 
**** (1) Target Management (Martin) 
**** (2) Device Debugging (Pawel) 
**** (3) eRCP (Gorkem, Mark) 
**** (4) NAB (Shigeki) 
*** Emerging technology 
**** (5) TmL (Mauren) - demo
**** (6) VPP (Mark) 
**** (7) RTSC (proposed project lead) 
**** (8) MTJ update (Gustavo)
*** User focused talks (e.g. applications of eRCP, TM, NAB, OSGi in embedded, etc.) 
**** (9) User focused talk 
**** (10) User focused talk 

* Ganymede release train
** PC meeting in Reston next week
** [http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Ganymede_Simultaneous_Release Ganymede]
** 13-15 are new this year
** Martin - List looks OK except for #15 (plugin sizes in features), due to {{Bug|163406}}.  Without the resolution of the bug, this is useless.  #13 probably just means project should check that pack200 works, since it's automatic for the coordinated update site.  #14 should be easy since the bugs are fixed.
** Pawel - Requirements look good.  Ted was ok with the requirements.
** eRCP - Mark - difficult because they don't have the resources to keep up with milestones.
** NAB - Shigeki.  Hope to get on the train by M4.  Don't want to use orbit.  #1 test - how much testing do I need to do with other projects?  Need to investigate 5,6,13,14,15.
** TmL will try to release with the train but not participate.

* Upcoming events
** Mark: report on OSIM in Madrid.
*** Mostly about using Linux on mobile devices.  There were a few topics using Java code.  My presentation went well.  The slides are on the eRCP website.  Couple of leads for eRCP project.
** Doug/Martin/Pawel/Mark: [http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2007 Eclipse Summit Europe] wrap-up.
*** Doug: embedded symposium [http://douggaff.blogspot.com/2007/10/eclipse-summit-europe-day-one-device.html summary]. Detailed notes to follow.  One action item for Mark: desire for P3ML in eRCP.  UGL (universal graphics library).  eSWT sits on top of this.  P3ML also does.
*** Martin: Europe seems very focused on modeling. One interesting talk was gEclipse (project for Grid Computing - wide area networking) - doesn't really cover parallel programming or debugging, it's about the distribution mechanics.  Some potential usage of TM.
*** Pawel: Attendees were mixed: some people who really need the technology, and some who weren't familiar with the technology at all.  Really noticed a need for the tutorial for EclipseCon.
** Martin: Eclipse Now You Can wrap-up.
*** Small conference and specific to France. Some managers from major French companies.
*** embedded Java compiler - potential contribution.
** [http://www.ossummit.com/ OS Summit Asia] - 26-30 Nov
*** Shigeki: do you need anything else from us?
*** Mark needs to send some revisions to Shigeki this week.
** [https://developerdays.dev.java.net/ Java Developer Days] - 23-24 Jan
*** eRCP paper from Gorkem?
** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/ EclipseCon 08] - 17-20 Mar

* Project Updates
** DD
*** Most of the activity is around DSF.  On track for 1.0 in Ganymede.
*** The MI reference implementation needs to be evaluated to see if it will fit in CDT 5.0.
** eRCP
*** 1.0.3 maintenance release.
*** Working a lot on eRCP standardization.  Will likely have to dual license the Eclipse code, because OSGi doesn't want to provide a specification under EPL.  Will take this proposal forward at the next Eclipse Board meeting.  In December, the Eclipse Board will vote.
*** GTK runtime contribution. Waiting on IBM legal approval.
** MTJ
*** Meeting later today.
** NAB
*** Added some files to help build NAB.  Doug S has been giving them feedback.
** TM
*** Maintenance and lots of bug fixes for the terminal.  Next milestone is 2 weeks away.
*** TCF contribution is coming soon.
** TmL
*** Internal code scan done.  Ready to submit Eclipse CQ.
*** Working on continuous development approval.

== Old Business ==

* General stuff
** NAB: Feedback comes from WS community, which is why dev list is so quiet.  All feedback is in Japanese.  Bugzilla can't work because interface is in English, which is a problem.  '''Doug to follow up with Bjorn and Denis'''
** DSDP Website - dynamic content
** eclipse.dsdp Newsgroup - dynamic content
** [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/ DSDP Info center]
*** [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-pmc/msg00129.html Instructions]
*** eRCP, NAB, MTJ?  
*** '''AI: eRCP - work on posting info center docs after 1.0 release'''