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(New Business)
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* Eric Cloninger
 
* Eric Cloninger
 
* Doug Gaff
 
* Doug Gaff
* Christian Kurzke
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X* Christian Kurzke
* Shigeki Moride
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X* Shigeki Moride
* Martin Oberhuber
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X* Martin Oberhuber
* Pawel Piech
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X* Pawel Piech
* Mark Rogalski
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X* Mark Rogalski
* Dave Russo
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* Dave Russo (sent regrets)
  
 
== New Business ==
 
== New Business ==
  
 
* AI review
 
* AI review
** P3ML - Philippe is trying to get this through legal.
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** P3ML - Waiting on IBM legal clearance. Gorkem wants to put this in eRCP, so it will be part of RT when eRCP moves.
*** Last email: Philippe needs help getting it through legal.
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*** Doug suggested that we use the DSDP incubator for it.
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* Project Plans Schedule (review progress)
 
* Project Plans Schedule (review progress)
 
** Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See [[Development Resources/Project Plan]] for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), '''converting from non-namespace variant''', and getting started with the XML.
 
** Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See [[Development Resources/Project Plan]] for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), '''converting from non-namespace variant''', and getting started with the XML.
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*** ''Need to convert to namespace'd variant'', Bugzillas in T&P to do?
 
*** ''Need to convert to namespace'd variant'', Bugzillas in T&P to do?
 
** First draft in [[Development_Resources/Project_Plan|new format]] due: by August meeting (done, except eRCP)
 
** First draft in [[Development_Resources/Project_Plan|new format]] due: by August meeting (done, except eRCP)
** Mostly complete: Aug 31
 
 
** PMC review: Sept 11 (next meeting)
 
** PMC review: Sept 11 (next meeting)
 
** Final version: Sept 15
 
** Final version: Sept 15
 
** Roadmap generation: Sept 30  
 
** Roadmap generation: Sept 30  
** '''All: Finish plans by Aug 31 so we can review in Sept meeting.'''
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** '''All: Finish plans by Sept 15 in prep for Board meeting.'''
* Committer voting
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* (no update) Committer voting - need to update this section from our email thread.
 
** Martin suggested we establish some official guideline for committers.
 
** Martin suggested we establish some official guideline for committers.
 
** Propose 3 good records of contribution: patches in bugzilla, good mailing list contributions. Ok if one of those records is from another project.
 
** Propose 3 good records of contribution: patches in bugzilla, good mailing list contributions. Ok if one of those records is from another project.
 
* DSDP presentation to Board in September
 
* DSDP presentation to Board in September
** See "Report Outline" in my separate email.
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** Reports are looking good. Feedback sent to individual folks.
** What I need from each project: write up information for items 2-6 as they specifically relate to your project.
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* (no update) EETimes India article
** This will be a written report, not a powerpoint.
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** '''ALL: Complete the draft by end of August. Word document.'''
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* EETimes India article
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** RTSC participation: '''Dave: Check with Steve B. again on an EETimes article.'''
 
** RTSC participation: '''Dave: Check with Steve B. again on an EETimes article.'''
 
** Anyone else? No one is interested.
 
** Anyone else? No one is interested.
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* Project Updates
 
* Project Updates
 
** DD
 
** DD
*** Working on 1.1 progressing as scheduled.
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*** 1.1 in November. M2 just completed. Features done. Stabilization in progress.
*** Talking about contributing lots of DD to the CDT project. Discussions started. He would become a component lead in CDT.
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*** CDT project discussion ongoing. Contingency is a stronger component model with better process.
*** Pawel would ultimately like to find a home for all components do that we can EOL the DD project.  
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** eRCP
 
** eRCP
*** Release review for eRCP 1.2 is next Wed. Charts approved.
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*** Respin of 1.2 release to refresh version numbers.
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*** Move to RT still planned, but not schedule. Gorkem would like eSWT to be a separate project. Mark isn't convinced.
 
*** Upcoming plan - S60 eRCP contribution at a 1.1 level. They are not committing to 1.2 level.
 
*** Upcoming plan - S60 eRCP contribution at a 1.1 level. They are not committing to 1.2 level.
*** Nokia diminishing involvement
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*** OSGi standardization - Eclipse asked for some assurances from the OSGi board about control of technology. OGSi meeting 15-16, hopefully will ratify that letter.
*** Maintenance release between 1.2 and 1.3.
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*** Moving to RT in September
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*** eRCP in OSGi standardization - approved at board. One caveat: OSGi cannot restrict what Eclipse can do. Mark working with OSGi now.
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*** eRCP 1.3 - next July following the Ganymede release - will be in RT project by then.
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*** Weekly build setup now.
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** MTJ
 
** MTJ
*** Nightly builds setup now.
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*** Preparing for release review.
*** Working on a 0.9.5 release of MTJ.
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*** '''All: Please vote for the MTJ release review on mailing list.'''
*** EclipseME ramp-down likely in Q3, perhaps aligned with a 1.0 release.
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*** Sybase committer coming on board.
*** Working on eliminating final legal dependencies.
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*** Craig is trying to encourage folks to move to MTJ after the 0.9 release.
*** RIM is lurking but not active yet.
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*** '''Christian: Write up an explanation of the EclipseME transition to MTJ and post on the Web. Explain the version numbering of Eclipse and make a statement about technical maturity of MTJ.'''
*** Next step is to get Sybase more formally involved.
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** NAB
 
** NAB
*** Still working on Japanese localization.
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*** 3 new features to NAB - entered on Bugzilla.
*** Japanese bugzilla - Bugzilla 3.2
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*** Discussing the schedule for these enhancements.
** RTSC
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*** Working on Japanese translation project.
*** Finished major internal release.
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*** Bugzilla 3.2 Japanese Template TBD.
*** Project-specific wiki via a vserver. All internal wiki docs transferred over.
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** RTSC (skip)
*** Next step: IP review and then code transfer.
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*** '''Dave: Contact Eclipse legal about best terms of use for their vserver wiki.'''
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*** Future discussion: Rights for who can modify the wiki.
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** TM
 
** TM
*** Lots of planning work this time.
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*** Maintenance and bug fixing of product-related bugs.
*** Project is going well. Lots of community requests. TCF is also seeing some uptake now. AnywhereTech, MontaVista
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*** TCF - MV is getting more active now.
*** GSoC student is making slow, but good progress.
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*** GSoC student - had to give him a negative remark because he wasn't able to finish his work.
*** Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
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*** (no update) Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
*** Martin is the chair of the AC now
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** TmL (no update)
**** 1 member from each strategic member, 1 PMC rep, plus appointed folks.
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**** Council that you can approach with your questions. Lots of mentoring and experience possibilities.
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** TmL (updated from an email)
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*** https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
 
*** https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
 
*** Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.  
 
*** Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.  
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*** We would like to nominate Yu-Fen Ko from MontaVista as a committer once TmL 0.1 is released, based on her contributions to the project. However, she will then be on maternity leave starting some time this fall.  The question is how to have her as a committer status "on hold" until she returns after the start of the year.
 
*** We would like to nominate Yu-Fen Ko from MontaVista as a committer once TmL 0.1 is released, based on her contributions to the project. However, she will then be on maternity leave starting some time this fall.  The question is how to have her as a committer status "on hold" until she returns after the start of the year.
 
*** Eric and Christian presenting TmL later today (Thursday) at Linux World in SFO.
 
*** Eric and Christian presenting TmL later today (Thursday) at Linux World in SFO.
* Next Meeting: Sept 11 (I have a conflict on Sept 4).
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* Next Meeting: TBD.
  
 
== Old Business ==
 
== Old Business ==

Revision as of 10:11, 11 September 2008

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Invited Attendees

  • Eric Cloninger
  • Doug Gaff

X* Christian Kurzke X* Shigeki Moride X* Martin Oberhuber X* Pawel Piech X* Mark Rogalski

  • Dave Russo (sent regrets)

New Business

  • AI review
    • P3ML - Waiting on IBM legal clearance. Gorkem wants to put this in eRCP, so it will be part of RT when eRCP moves.
  • Project Plans Schedule (review progress)
    • Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See Development Resources/Project Plan for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), converting from non-namespace variant, and getting started with the XML.
    • DD
      • Need to convert to namespace'd variant, T&P to do?
    • eRCP
      • Completely missing
      • Mark: Convert his eRCP plan slides to XML format by end of August
    • MTJ
      • Looks done
    • NAB
      • Need to convert to namespace'd variant, skeleton only - Doug suggests bugzillas in
    • RTSC
      • Done except for actual bugzilla's
    • TM
      • Done, found the plan document to be very powerful
      • Target Milestone field: any bug signed to a concrete milestone are committed, future is deferred, --- is proposed.
      • Themes are named tags in bugzilla.
    • TmL
      • Need to convert to namespace'd variant, Bugzillas in T&P to do?
    • First draft in new format due: by August meeting (done, except eRCP)
    • PMC review: Sept 11 (next meeting)
    • Final version: Sept 15
    • Roadmap generation: Sept 30
    • All: Finish plans by Sept 15 in prep for Board meeting.
  • (no update) Committer voting - need to update this section from our email thread.
    • Martin suggested we establish some official guideline for committers.
    • Propose 3 good records of contribution: patches in bugzilla, good mailing list contributions. Ok if one of those records is from another project.
  • DSDP presentation to Board in September
    • Reports are looking good. Feedback sent to individual folks.
  • (no update) EETimes India article
    • RTSC participation: Dave: Check with Steve B. again on an EETimes article.
    • Anyone else? No one is interested.
  • ESE - Sept 1 submission deadline
    • Uriel - eRCP/Expeditor/Titan
      • Mark: Check with Uriel to see if he's going to submit a paper.
    • TM/TCF - Martin, Michael
    • Debugging - Pawel
    • MTJ - travel is not likely, but Christian will try. Christian: Submit an ESE talk - could cover MTJ and TmL or Eclipse in Mobile.
    • RTSC - dave is in a similar travel situation. Dave: Submit an ESE talk.
    • NAB - probably can't go.
    • TmL - travel is not likely
  • Packaging proposal (no update today)
    • The wiki page has ideas, roadmap, initial steps, and initial package list.
    • Dave thinks it's a great idea. Dave would like to get RTSC into the package at some point in the future.
    • Words of support from Doug.
  • DSDP Incubator project (no progress or update today)
    • Unanimous approval to create the incubator. Doug: create the DSDP incubator and build the initial website.
  • Project Updates
    • DD
      • 1.1 in November. M2 just completed. Features done. Stabilization in progress.
      • CDT project discussion ongoing. Contingency is a stronger component model with better process.
    • eRCP
      • Respin of 1.2 release to refresh version numbers.
      • Move to RT still planned, but not schedule. Gorkem would like eSWT to be a separate project. Mark isn't convinced.
      • Upcoming plan - S60 eRCP contribution at a 1.1 level. They are not committing to 1.2 level.
      • OSGi standardization - Eclipse asked for some assurances from the OSGi board about control of technology. OGSi meeting 15-16, hopefully will ratify that letter.
    • MTJ
      • Preparing for release review.
      • All: Please vote for the MTJ release review on mailing list.
      • Sybase committer coming on board.
      • Craig is trying to encourage folks to move to MTJ after the 0.9 release.
      • Christian: Write up an explanation of the EclipseME transition to MTJ and post on the Web. Explain the version numbering of Eclipse and make a statement about technical maturity of MTJ.
    • NAB
      • 3 new features to NAB - entered on Bugzilla.
      • Discussing the schedule for these enhancements.
      • Working on Japanese translation project.
      • Bugzilla 3.2 Japanese Template TBD.
    • RTSC (skip)
    • TM
      • Maintenance and bug fixing of product-related bugs.
      • TCF - MV is getting more active now.
      • GSoC student - had to give him a negative remark because he wasn't able to finish his work.
      • (no update) Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
    • TmL (no update)
      • https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
      • Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.
      • Fabio is moving the project source code from CVS to SVN prior to the 0.1 release. As part of this change, he is removing some deprecated sources that are no longer used. He will modify the automated build scripts and the update site accordingly.
      • We have a project plan with milestone dates for being on the June 2009 train release. The plan is in XML format on eclipse.org. The Eldorado team in Brazil are working toward these dates.
      • Motorola is currently integrating TmL into their commercial MOTODEV Studio product(s). Should be finished in October with some code contributions coming into TmL from the Studio teams.
      • Otavio has completed the /proc filesystem proof-of-concept using meminfo. He is currently working on the 'top' command. Once he is done with these two, he will work on providing extension points for other developers to add to this feature. This would be a good place for interns and Summer of Code participants to interact with an Eclipse project.
      • We would like to nominate Yu-Fen Ko from MontaVista as a committer once TmL 0.1 is released, based on her contributions to the project. However, she will then be on maternity leave starting some time this fall. The question is how to have her as a committer status "on hold" until she returns after the start of the year.
      • Eric and Christian presenting TmL later today (Thursday) at Linux World in SFO.
  • Next Meeting: TBD.

Old Business

  • (Deferred) Introducing the VPP proposed project and Mark Burton
  • (Info) Search CVS

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