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== Invited Attendees ==
 
== Invited Attendees ==
  
* Eric Cloninger  
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* Eric Cloninger
 
* Doug Gaff
 
* Doug Gaff
 
* Christian Kurzke
 
* Christian Kurzke
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** Open issue raised by Martin O: '''I recently learned that counter the practice that we have used up to now for defining Themes for our XML project plans, it looks like the Board's original intent was to have the project plan themse aligned "as good as possible" with the Requirements Council Themes & Priorities from [http://wiki.eclipse.org/RequirementsCouncilThemesAndPriorities RC Themes]'''
 
** Open issue raised by Martin O: '''I recently learned that counter the practice that we have used up to now for defining Themes for our XML project plans, it looks like the Board's original intent was to have the project plan themse aligned "as good as possible" with the Requirements Council Themes & Priorities from [http://wiki.eclipse.org/RequirementsCouncilThemesAndPriorities RC Themes]'''
 
** Do we want to massage our T&P's to match these?  
 
** Do we want to massage our T&P's to match these?  
 +
*** Martin: emailed Don and Bjorn about whether they want to enforce this.
 +
*** Doug: the T&P for embedded and mobile haven't changed much from previous years. It's not very compelling for us to align to this. I also thought the T&P were going to be auto-generated from the XML plans.
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*** '''Doug: Review DSDP project T&P and provide Don with some high-level ones.'''
 
** (info from last mtg) Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See [[Development Resources/Project Plan]] for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), '''converting from non-namespace variant''', and getting started with the XML.
 
** (info from last mtg) Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See [[Development Resources/Project Plan]] for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), '''converting from non-namespace variant''', and getting started with the XML.
 
** [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=dsdp.dd DD]
 
** [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=dsdp.dd DD]
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** TM short talk (Martin O)
 
** TM short talk (Martin O)
 
** DSDP update/demo long talk (Martin O)
 
** DSDP update/demo long talk (Martin O)
** Everyone ok with travel?
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** Everyone ok with travel? Dave is still trying to get approval. Christian will be definitely be there.
 
* EclipseCon 09
 
* EclipseCon 09
 
** Eric and I are on the PC
 
** Eric and I are on the PC
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*** Long Talks (4)  
 
*** Long Talks (4)  
 
**** (1) Tools for Mobile Linux (Christian/Maureen) - #52
 
**** (1) Tools for Mobile Linux (Christian/Maureen) - #52
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**** RTSC
 
*** Short Talks (10)  
 
*** Short Talks (10)  
 
**** What's new in Ganymede  
 
**** What's new in Ganymede  
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***** (8) MTJ update (Gustavo) - #79
 
***** (8) MTJ update (Gustavo) - #79
 
** Thoughts on breakdown?
 
** Thoughts on breakdown?
 +
*** Tml: Short, Long, part of a Tutorial
 +
*** Martin asked about whether we could do multiple topics in the 4hr tutorial. He doesn't want to do another TM tutorial this year, though. '''Doug & Eric: Ask about 2hr tutorials for EclipseCon 09'''. Likes the idea of a panel for Mobile. Short talk on TM. Short talk on Packaging. Could participate in a partial tutorial.
 +
*** MTJ: Demos, maybe a tutorial, short. A mobile panel would be interesting for the MWG. '''Doug & Eric: Check into panel allocations for EclipseCon 09'''
 +
*** NAB: Short talk would be good with a prototype. Also a short talk on Translation Platform.
 +
*** DD: Could do a DSF tutorial again. Does this live in CDT or DSDP? Probably CDT. Pawel is also interested in helping in the packaging talk. Perhaps TCF would be good for a 2hr tutorial.
 +
*** RTSC: Long talk feedback was great. But showing some stuff would be good, too. A short talk would also be helpful to update status. Not ready for a tutorial yet, though. Martin is tracking down licensing issues now.
 +
*** eRCP: Mark to think about.
 
* [[DSDP/Package|Packaging proposal]]
 
* [[DSDP/Package|Packaging proposal]]
** Update from Martin
+
** Initial goal is to just get something going. Rather than focus on install, Martin is going to manually assemble the components via shell scripts and then put together a VM image (of Linux) with everything.
 +
** Martin will demo this at ESE.
 +
** Initial focus is C/C++ technologies (TM, DD, CDT, NAB, TmL, probably RTSC). Biggest decisions is what emulator and what OS. Martin wants to start with QEMU and Linux.
 +
** Discussion about RTOS to include. Dave had some ideas on their RTOS and potentially a way to use RTSC. They would like an open source BIOS. '''Dave: Think about DSDP Packaging effort and whether they can release an open source BIOS.'''
 +
** Christian: I'm looking at something similar for Mobile. Are you looking at P2/EPP? Martin: no, because we can't put GPL code into EPP projects.
 
* DSDP Incubator project (no progress or update today)
 
* DSDP Incubator project (no progress or update today)
 
** Unanimous approval to create the incubator. '''Doug: create the DSDP incubator and build the initial website.'''
 
** Unanimous approval to create the incubator. '''Doug: create the DSDP incubator and build the initial website.'''
 
* Project Updates (copied from last meeting - to be updated during the call)
 
* Project Updates (copied from last meeting - to be updated during the call)
 
** DD
 
** DD
*** 1.1 in November. M2 just completed. Features done. Stabilization in progress.
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*** Still working on stabilizing 1.1 for November.  
*** CDT project discussion ongoing. Contingency is a stronger component model with better process.
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*** CDT project is interested in taking DSF and memory rendering.
 
** eRCP
 
** eRCP
*** (NEW) P3ML interested companies: BandXI, MicroDoc, IST-EU. Who should follow up?
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*** Main effort is standardization effort. Things are progressing. Eng goal: spec released at same time as 1.3 release.
*** Respin of 1.2 release to refresh version numbers.
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*** P3ML interested companies: BandXI, MicroDoc, IST-EU. Who should follow up? '''Doug: get contact info for P3ML interested companies to Mark.'''
*** Move to RT still planned, but not scheduled. Gorkem would like eSWT to be a separate project. Mark isn't convinced.
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*** Gorkem requested move review, but no feedback yet.
*** Upcoming plan - S60 eRCP contribution at a 1.1 level. They are not committing to 1.2 level.
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*** OSGi standardization - Eclipse asked for some assurances from the OSGi board about control of technology. OGSi meeting 15-16, hopefully will ratify that letter.
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** MTJ
 
** MTJ
*** Preparing for release review.
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*** Release review material done for next week.
*** '''All: Please vote for the MTJ release review on mailing list.'''
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*** Working on larger project plans with Sybase - preprocessing and roadmap.
*** Sybase committer coming on board.
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*** Working on a press release for MTJ 0.9 release with Nokia and Motorola. '''Christian: Talk to Ian and Craig about getting a quotation from Craig for the MTJ 0.9 press release.'''
*** Craig is trying to encourage folks to move to MTJ after the 0.9 release.
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*** China has more than 50% of the downloads. 4500 downloads. Martin has seen something similar.
 
*** '''Christian: Write up an explanation of the EclipseME transition to MTJ and post on the Web. Explain the version numbering of Eclipse and make a statement about technical maturity of MTJ.'''
 
*** '''Christian: Write up an explanation of the EclipseME transition to MTJ and post on the Web. Explain the version numbering of Eclipse and make a statement about technical maturity of MTJ.'''
 
** NAB
 
** NAB
*** 3 new features to NAB - entered on Bugzilla.
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*** Discussion started inside Fujitsu on NAB platform enhancements and opening up.
*** Discussing the schedule for these enhancements.
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*** Bugzilla 3.2 Japanese Template - should be coming soon.
*** Working on Japanese translation project.
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*** Japanese work group - will finish Ganymede translation in March. Making a translation platform that will be open source. Babel project knows that they are doing this work. Babel is focused on menu and message. Their translation platform focused on help and other documents.
*** Bugzilla 3.2 Japanese Template TBD.
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** RTSC
 
** RTSC
*** STATUS?!
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*** Trying to setup SVN environment. Martin has helped out. Subversive environment on Windows not working well yet. Linux seems to be working.
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*** Working on transition to bugzilla.
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*** Hopefully within the next months, newsgroup activity will start. Still need an internal place for sales questions.
 +
*** IPZilla - still working on submission, will ask for parallel IP.
 
** TM
 
** TM
*** Maintenance and bug fixing of product-related bugs.
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*** Tm 3.0.1 done. 3.1 M2 created and delivered on Galileo.
*** TCF - MV is getting more active now.
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*** 3.1 isn't too exciting. Mostly incremental improvements. TCF is a big topic.
*** GSoC student - had to give him a negative remark because he wasn't able to finish his work.
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*** EFS support for transparent access on remote systems is TBD at this point. Potentially some performance problems on remote project refresh. e4 resources promises to fix this.
 
*** (no update) Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
 
*** (no update) Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
** TmL (no update)
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** TmL
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*** Release review for TmL 0.1 is ongoing. Code is frozen, IP Logs are approved, PMC approval (thank you). Review session currently slated for Oct 8. Still have some open questions about whether we've done all the work correctly.
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*** We have a long talk, short talk, and tutorial session submission planned for EC2009. Have sent drafts to Doug for review.
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*** Fixed the XML project plan to work with the new namespaces.
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*** In November, there will be 2 commercial products from Motorola released utilizing TmL as plugins. This is a first for us as Motorola had previously used TmL code directly.
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*** We are closely monitoring the CVS/SVN discussion on the committers list. We voted in July to move to SVN, but had not done so yet. Input from other groups in DSDP is welcome.
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*** https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
 
*** https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
 
*** Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.  
 
*** Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.  

Revision as of 09:28, 2 October 2008

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Invited Attendees

  • Eric Cloninger
  • Doug Gaff
  • Christian Kurzke
  • Shigeki Moride
  • Martin Oberhuber
  • Pawel Piech
  • Mark Rogalski
  • Dave Russo

New Business

  • Project Plans
    • Open issue raised by Martin O: I recently learned that counter the practice that we have used up to now for defining Themes for our XML project plans, it looks like the Board's original intent was to have the project plan themse aligned "as good as possible" with the Requirements Council Themes & Priorities from RC Themes
    • Do we want to massage our T&P's to match these?
      • Martin: emailed Don and Bjorn about whether they want to enforce this.
      • Doug: the T&P for embedded and mobile haven't changed much from previous years. It's not very compelling for us to align to this. I also thought the T&P were going to be auto-generated from the XML plans.
      • Doug: Review DSDP project T&P and provide Don with some high-level ones.
    • (info from last mtg) Project Plan XML format changed (for namespaces). See Development Resources/Project Plan for details. Now also includes infos on tooling (WTP's XML editor), converting from non-namespace variant, and getting started with the XML.
    • DD
    • eRCP
    • MTJ
    • NAB
    • RTSC
    • TM
    • TmL
  • (no update) Committer voting - need to update this section from our email thread.
  • ESE
    • Embedded Runtime Symposium (John Cunningham, Doug G, Hendrik Hofer, Doug S)
    • MTJ short talk (Gustavo, Christian)
    • TCF short talk (Michael S)
    • RTSC short talk (Dave R)
    • TM short talk (Martin O)
    • DSDP update/demo long talk (Martin O)
    • Everyone ok with travel? Dave is still trying to get approval. Christian will be definitely be there.
  • EclipseCon 09
    • Eric and I are on the PC
    • Current submission schedule
      • October 6 - Open Submissions
      • November 24 - Submissions Close
      • December 16 - First round of accepts
    • Allocations: 10 short, 2 long, 1 main stage, 1 4-hr tutorial - 1 less long talk than last year, 1 less 2-hr tutorial slot
    • DSDP/PMC/EclipseCon08_Votes EclipseCon 08 Votes. Recruited from last year (I missed a couple of talks that were accepted):
      • Tutorials (3)
        • (1) Target Management (Martin, Dave) - #38
        • (2) eRCP/eSWT (Gorkem, Mark) - #255
        • (3) Building a debugger on DSF and Flexible Hierarchy (Darin, Pawel) - #43
      • Long Talks (4)
        • (1) Tools for Mobile Linux (Christian/Maureen) - #52
        • RTSC
      • Short Talks (10)
        • What's new in Ganymede
          • (1) Target Management (Martin) - #39
          • (2) Device Debugging (Pawel) - #45
          • (3) eRCP (Gorkem, Mark) - #247
          • (4) NAB (Shigeki) - #37
        • Emerging technology
          • (5) TmL (Mauren) - #53
          • (6) VPP (Mark) - #160
          • (7) RTSC (proposed project lead) - #204
          • (8) MTJ update (Gustavo) - #79
    • Thoughts on breakdown?
      • Tml: Short, Long, part of a Tutorial
      • Martin asked about whether we could do multiple topics in the 4hr tutorial. He doesn't want to do another TM tutorial this year, though. Doug & Eric: Ask about 2hr tutorials for EclipseCon 09. Likes the idea of a panel for Mobile. Short talk on TM. Short talk on Packaging. Could participate in a partial tutorial.
      • MTJ: Demos, maybe a tutorial, short. A mobile panel would be interesting for the MWG. Doug & Eric: Check into panel allocations for EclipseCon 09
      • NAB: Short talk would be good with a prototype. Also a short talk on Translation Platform.
      • DD: Could do a DSF tutorial again. Does this live in CDT or DSDP? Probably CDT. Pawel is also interested in helping in the packaging talk. Perhaps TCF would be good for a 2hr tutorial.
      • RTSC: Long talk feedback was great. But showing some stuff would be good, too. A short talk would also be helpful to update status. Not ready for a tutorial yet, though. Martin is tracking down licensing issues now.
      • eRCP: Mark to think about.
  • Packaging proposal
    • Initial goal is to just get something going. Rather than focus on install, Martin is going to manually assemble the components via shell scripts and then put together a VM image (of Linux) with everything.
    • Martin will demo this at ESE.
    • Initial focus is C/C++ technologies (TM, DD, CDT, NAB, TmL, probably RTSC). Biggest decisions is what emulator and what OS. Martin wants to start with QEMU and Linux.
    • Discussion about RTOS to include. Dave had some ideas on their RTOS and potentially a way to use RTSC. They would like an open source BIOS. Dave: Think about DSDP Packaging effort and whether they can release an open source BIOS.
    • Christian: I'm looking at something similar for Mobile. Are you looking at P2/EPP? Martin: no, because we can't put GPL code into EPP projects.
  • DSDP Incubator project (no progress or update today)
    • Unanimous approval to create the incubator. Doug: create the DSDP incubator and build the initial website.
  • Project Updates (copied from last meeting - to be updated during the call)
    • DD
      • Still working on stabilizing 1.1 for November.
      • CDT project is interested in taking DSF and memory rendering.
    • eRCP
      • Main effort is standardization effort. Things are progressing. Eng goal: spec released at same time as 1.3 release.
      • P3ML interested companies: BandXI, MicroDoc, IST-EU. Who should follow up? Doug: get contact info for P3ML interested companies to Mark.
      • Gorkem requested move review, but no feedback yet.
    • MTJ
      • Release review material done for next week.
      • Working on larger project plans with Sybase - preprocessing and roadmap.
      • Working on a press release for MTJ 0.9 release with Nokia and Motorola. Christian: Talk to Ian and Craig about getting a quotation from Craig for the MTJ 0.9 press release.
      • China has more than 50% of the downloads. 4500 downloads. Martin has seen something similar.
      • Christian: Write up an explanation of the EclipseME transition to MTJ and post on the Web. Explain the version numbering of Eclipse and make a statement about technical maturity of MTJ.
    • NAB
      • Discussion started inside Fujitsu on NAB platform enhancements and opening up.
      • Bugzilla 3.2 Japanese Template - should be coming soon.
      • Japanese work group - will finish Ganymede translation in March. Making a translation platform that will be open source. Babel project knows that they are doing this work. Babel is focused on menu and message. Their translation platform focused on help and other documents.
    • RTSC
      • Trying to setup SVN environment. Martin has helped out. Subversive environment on Windows not working well yet. Linux seems to be working.
      • Working on transition to bugzilla.
      • Hopefully within the next months, newsgroup activity will start. Still need an internal place for sales questions.
      • IPZilla - still working on submission, will ask for parallel IP.
    • TM
      • Tm 3.0.1 done. 3.1 M2 created and delivered on Galileo.
      • 3.1 isn't too exciting. Mostly incremental improvements. TCF is a big topic.
      • EFS support for transparent access on remote systems is TBD at this point. Potentially some performance problems on remote project refresh. e4 resources promises to fix this.
      • (no update) Releng - Nick Boldt is working on moving viewCVS to project dash (among other things). This will be one officially copy, which will allow access from the main web site. Nick is working on a vmware image for automated builds.
    • TmL
      • Release review for TmL 0.1 is ongoing. Code is frozen, IP Logs are approved, PMC approval (thank you). Review session currently slated for Oct 8. Still have some open questions about whether we've done all the work correctly.
      • We have a long talk, short talk, and tutorial session submission planned for EC2009. Have sent drafts to Doug for review.
      • Fixed the XML project plan to work with the new namespaces.
      • In November, there will be 2 commercial products from Motorola released utilizing TmL as plugins. This is a first for us as Motorola had previously used TmL code directly.
      • We are closely monitoring the CVS/SVN discussion on the committers list. We voted in July to move to SVN, but had not done so yet. Input from other groups in DSDP is welcome.


      • https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236205
      • Preparing for TmL 0.1 Release for September 2008 release.
      • Fabio is moving the project source code from CVS to SVN prior to the 0.1 release. As part of this change, he is removing some deprecated sources that are no longer used. He will modify the automated build scripts and the update site accordingly.
      • We have a project plan with milestone dates for being on the June 2009 train release. The plan is in XML format on eclipse.org. The Eldorado team in Brazil are working toward these dates.
      • Motorola is currently integrating TmL into their commercial MOTODEV Studio product(s). Should be finished in October with some code contributions coming into TmL from the Studio teams.
      • Otavio has completed the /proc filesystem proof-of-concept using meminfo. He is currently working on the 'top' command. Once he is done with these two, he will work on providing extension points for other developers to add to this feature. This would be a good place for interns and Summer of Code participants to interact with an Eclipse project.
      • We would like to nominate Yu-Fen Ko from MontaVista as a committer once TmL 0.1 is released, based on her contributions to the project. However, she will then be on maternity leave starting some time this fall. The question is how to have her as a committer status "on hold" until she returns after the start of the year.
      • Eric and Christian presenting TmL later today (Thursday) at Linux World in SFO.
  • Next Meeting: TBD.

Old Business

  • (Deferred) Introducing the VPP proposed project and Mark Burton
  • (Info) Search CVS

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