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=== News from the EMO & Councils ===
=== News from the EMO & Councils ===
* December [ Official Board Minutes] not yet done
* Anything?
* '''Mik: Are the EPP distributions "products"?'''
** {{bug|261365}} Board says No. No clear actions out of that, but it should be reflected on the download pages.
** McQ: It doesn't matter what we label the EPP packages as... users just treat them as such, especially wrt JDT
** Much Platform/UI bug triage work goes into things that should really be associated with other projects: a large portion of bugs doesn't have value!
** Can we label stuff as "limited support" ?
** Can we do something like Red Hat (with RHEL / Fedora distros)?
** Jeff: Better highlight that there are supported offerings? Make it clearer what the support level is?
** In Linux, are bugs reported against the distro or against upstream projects?
** Martin: "Report a bug" wizard?
** Boris: Why isn't there a "Services" company interested in creating a distro with a "report a bug" wizard and make money out of that?
** Jeff: Make it clear in a positive way that stuff is available FOR FREE... and some bugs may be closed "WONTFIX"
** Firefox and Openoffice are also treated as "products"...
** Martin: "Expectation" discussion (to be held at planning council?) vs. technical "Low quality bugs" discussion
*** Mik: Help > Report this bug ... button in every distro that includes Mylyn been doing more harm than good so far
*** Kevin McGuire wanted to get bug auto-reported against Distro rather than component?
*** Boris: Platform UI tries to redirect bugs properly, not too big an issue for them
** Martin: Windows 7 "Report a enhancement request with THIS component"
*** ... they set the expecatation like "We won't respond but your comment is valuable"
*** Mik: new "report bug" wizard allows to select any feature that has UI
*** Boris: "report bug" wizard could show a webpage with (paid) ads of companies for commercial support... commercial products could replace that by their commercial support page
*** Mik: Mylyn has an extension point for registering commercial support
*** '''AI Mik to propose a date for demoing the feature at EclipseCon'''
*** Doug Gaff (added after the meeting): I just want to summarize this by reminding folks that the EMO committed to 1) indicating that EPP packages are community support only and 2) providing links to Vendors that offer supported, commercial distros. Beyond this, it's in the community's hands.
* [[StAC 090115 Minutes]] meeting for funding release train activities: following this meeting
** Based on [[StAC 081028 Minutes]] SWOT analysis
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Revision as of 11:05, 9 February 2009

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday February 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin
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BIRT: Wenfeng Li Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Fitzpatrick Linda Chan
DSDP: Doug Gaff Martin Oberhuber
Eclipse: Philippe Mulet Mike Wilson
Modeling: Richard Gronback Ed Merks
RT: Jeff McAffer Jochen Krause
STP: Oisin Hurley Antoine Toulme
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: John Duimovich
TPTP: Eugene Chan Oliver Cole
Joanna Kubasta
WTP: Tim deBoer Dave Carver
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Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
  • I'm still working on this, but please add items as you see fit -- Andrew Overholt

Review of Action Items

  • Last meeting Architecture Council/Minutes January 15 2009#Action Items
  • (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
  • (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
  • (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
    • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
  • (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
  • (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
  • (old) Mike to inform everyone when the IPZilla Legal Closed Group is ready to use
  • (old) All PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by filing an AC bug)
  • Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
  • Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
  • Everyone review/edit the various Architecture Council wiki pages, particularly the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel/FAQ and Architecture Council/Links Collection. Add questions to the FAQ.
  • Ok green.gif Martin to schedule Architecture Council/Minutes API Deprecation 20080122 call
  • Ok green.gif Martin to schedule Architecture Council/F2F EclipseCon 2009 - Sunday 5pm-6pm
    • New Category markup allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
    • Better organize the AC homepage: collect feedback... AI Dave send links to other Wiki pages for review to check which ones we might want to emulate, also, everyone can make suggestions / create mock-up pages for review.
  • Still open items moved to #Action Items


  • IP/Legal Discussions: IPZilla closed group is up. In bug 214133, Martin asks whether having the link under the following areas of the portal is sufficient:
    • Committer on (xxx) -> IP Policy -> [pose] a question
    • Project lead for (xxx) -> IP Policy -> [pose] a question
  • PMC Representation on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
    • Backup still required for Tools PMC

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  • Anything?

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