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* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/August 13 2009]] | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/August 13 2009]] | ||
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| − | * ('' | + | * (''obsolete'') '''Wayne''' to E-mail e.o-committers after that |
* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Dave C''' prepare a "cookbook" for {{bug|283734}} Crowdsourcing Docs / WikiText --> [[DocumentationGuidelines]], [http://intellectualcramps.blogspot.com/2009/08/cramps-on-single-sourcing-with-wikis.html Dave's Blog] | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Dave C''' prepare a "cookbook" for {{bug|283734}} Crowdsourcing Docs / WikiText --> [[DocumentationGuidelines]], [http://intellectualcramps.blogspot.com/2009/08/cramps-on-single-sourcing-with-wikis.html Dave's Blog] | ||
* '''Tom S''' ask Maven expert to comment on {{bug|283745}} | * '''Tom S''' ask Maven expert to comment on {{bug|283745}} | ||
* '''Wayne''' to blog about Maven {{bug|283745}} to get more comments | * '''Wayne''' to blog about Maven {{bug|283745}} to get more comments | ||
* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to comment on {{bug|283745}} that the AC discussed and supports maven | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to comment on {{bug|283745}} that the AC discussed and supports maven | ||
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* {{bug|288721}} - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver | * {{bug|288721}} - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver | ||
** Quality statistics for Projects. Dave is a fan of Eclemma | ** Quality statistics for Projects. Dave is a fan of Eclemma | ||
| − | ** Boris: Author of Eclemma is working on a replacement for Emma | + | ** Boris: Author of Eclemma is working on a replacement for Emma ... looking for volunteers to test it |
| + | *** Advantage: Would work directly in the VM -- better performance; possibly EPL'd | ||
| + | ** Sonar: Effort for setting it up? Any guinea pigs? | ||
| + | ** Dave: Buckminster working on Eclemma integration | ||
| + | ** '''AI Interested parties''' look at and comment on the bug | ||
| + | === Topics for Next Meeting === | ||
| + | * DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques | ||
| + | * Wayne: Project plans are important but in a bad state! | ||
| + | ** Mentors please encourage projects to keep their project plans up to date! (Wayne going to blog about) | ||
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* (''old'') '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki | ||
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== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
Revision as of 12:01, 10 September 2009
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday September 10, 2009 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | (+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440# |
Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | Wenfeng Li | Gary Xue |
| DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
| DSDP: | Doug Gaff | Martin Oberhuber |
| Eclipse: | Philippe Mulet | Mike Wilson |
| Modeling: | Richard Gronback | Ed Merks Cédric Brun |
| RT: | Jeff McAffer | Jochen Krause Tom Watson |
| STP: | Oisin Hurley | Antoine Toulme |
| Technology: | Gunnar Wagenknecht | Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| TPTP: | Eugene Chan | Oliver Cole Joanna Kubasta |
| WTP: | Tim deBoer | Dave Carver |
- Signed-up: Boris B, John A, Chris A, Martin O, Darin W, Ed Merks, Mik Kersten, Bernd Kolb, Darin S, Wayne B, Andrew O, Eugene TPTP, Dave C, Michael S, Linda C
- Regrets: Neil Hauge, Tom Watson (conflict), Doug Gaff (conflict)
- No-Show:
- Foundation -- update the number!
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/August 13 2009
- (obsolete) Dave Carver to blog about bugzilla best practices
- (obsolete) Wayne to E-mail e.o-committers after that
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Dave C prepare a "cookbook" for bug 283734 Crowdsourcing Docs / WikiText --> DocumentationGuidelines, Dave's Blog - Tom S ask Maven expert to comment on bug 283745
- Wayne to blog about Maven bug 283745 to get more comments
- Martin to comment on bug 283745 that the AC discussed and supports maven
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
New Topics
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
- bug 283745 - Maven - current status, next steps
- Wayne: Foundation contacted Sonatype about giving GPL'd Nexus version (maybe only commercial provides OBR support)
- Need to understand better what needs to happen
- Mylyn provided everything as POM but canceled this again a year ago since there was no consumers
- Move ahead if there is not too much work
- bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
- Agreed on the bug that this should work
- John: Platform build now working on Eclipse.org, but blocked on not being able to tag
- Related: Build machine is too slow if many people start building on build.eclipse.org
- Martin: Would vservers help?
- Dave: Stats by Foundation would help
- Bernd: Not signing every build would help
- Denis: Possible solutions include more servers / less signing / better scheduling
- Wayne: Hudson should be able to control what runs in parallel
- Bernd: What about build2.eclipse.org rather than vservers
- Denis: Even if on multiple servers, everyone building at the same time is an issue
- Options for the Community: less signing, different servers, funnel everything through a single build queue
- DaveC: Incremental checkouts rather than pulling ALL
- AI DaveC to come up with ideas in a document how to save build resources
- Better implement improvements directly in Athena rather than having projects do all by themselves
- bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
- Boris: If there is only ONE assignee for all "triaged" bugs across all of Eclipse, it would be hard to "listen"
- Want experience reports from a first team implementing the new solution before advertising best practice
- The new TRIAGED state would be a global change
- Mik: Mylyn experiments went well, Bugzilla team has been doing something similar
- If experiments with a TRIAGED state fail, it could be converted into a status_whiteboard or keyword
- Mik would prefer a project to try it with a keyword
- Mik: Adding a state is the biggest change we can make... why Mozilla hasn't done this?
- Mozilla is using UNCONFIRMED as initial state, once triaged they go to NEW (this is a per-project setting)
- UNCONFIRMED is supported on a per-project basis (as an exception)
- Advantage: consistent with mozilla, Disadvantage: inconsistent with Eclipse.org
- AI Dave C volunteers the WTP project to go and try the UNCONFIRMED state (after checking with Dave W)
- Migration problems with existing NEW bugs?
- Boris thinks that most bugs in the system today are actually triaged... so less migration effort
- Denis: Can configure bugmail to receive ONE initial E-mail only as long as a bug is UNCONFIRMED
- bug 288721 - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver
- Quality statistics for Projects. Dave is a fan of Eclemma
- Boris: Author of Eclemma is working on a replacement for Emma ... looking for volunteers to test it
- Advantage: Would work directly in the VM -- better performance; possibly EPL'd
- Sonar: Effort for setting it up? Any guinea pigs?
- Dave: Buckminster working on Eclemma integration
- AI Interested parties look at and comment on the bug
Topics for Next Meeting
- DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
- Wayne: Project plans are important but in a bad state!
- Mentors please encourage projects to keep their project plans up to date! (Wayne going to blog about)
Old items
- The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?
- AC Bugzilla backlog
- Follow-up on Architecture Council/Bugzilla Best Practices - how to move on?
- Dave C AC should look at other Agile Principles can be employed (in addition to the Bugzilla practices)
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
- News from the EMO and Councils ?
Action Items
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
- (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor
- (old) Cedric, Tom talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps)
- (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
- (old) Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)