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| − | | Wenfeng Li | + | | <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike> |
| − | | Wenbin He | + | | <strike>Wenbin He</strike> |
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| '''DTP:''' | | '''DTP:''' | ||
| − | | Brian Payton | + | | <strike>Brian Payton</strike> |
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| '''Eclipse:''' | | '''Eclipse:''' | ||
| − | | Mike Wilson | + | | <strike>Mike Wilson</strike> |
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| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Ed Merks | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike> |
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| '''Mylyn:''' | | '''Mylyn:''' | ||
| − | | Steffen Pingel | + | | <strike>Steffen Pingel</strike> |
| − | | Mik Kersten | + | | <strike>Mik Kersten</strike> |
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| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Christian Campo | + | | <strike>Christian Campo</strike> |
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| '''SOA:''' | | '''SOA:''' | ||
| − | | Adrian Mos | + | | <strike>Adrian Mos</strike> |
| − | | Marc Dutoo | + | | <strike>Marc Dutoo</strike> |
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| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
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===All Attendees=== | ===All Attendees=== | ||
| − | * '''In attendance:''' Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Konstantin Kommisarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, David Williams | + | * '''In attendance:''' Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Konstantin Kommisarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, David Williams, Krum Tsvetkov |
* '''Regrets:''' Neil Hauge, Pascal Rapicault, Lars Vogel | * '''Regrets:''' Neil Hauge, Pascal Rapicault, Lars Vogel | ||
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* '''No-Show:''' Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Dave Carver, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Bernd Kolb | * '''No-Show:''' Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Dave Carver, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Bernd Kolb | ||
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** Doug pushed 13 updates since the inception of CDT - thinks that supporting "Check for Updates" to fix bugs is really important (weigh out any risks) - Projects should enable their update sites | ** Doug pushed 13 updates since the inception of CDT - thinks that supporting "Check for Updates" to fix bugs is really important (weigh out any risks) - Projects should enable their update sites | ||
* Kosta: Update Sites pointing to new functionality makes it very unclear what one gets | * Kosta: Update Sites pointing to new functionality makes it very unclear what one gets | ||
| − | + | ** Today, it's almost impossible for anyone outside to produce a distribution with controlled update streams... | |
| + | * Doug: In the end it boils down to the projects - Nobody stepped up to execute on Kosta's proposal | ||
| + | * Alex: Having update sites is valuable, should not instruct projects to stop doing that | ||
| + | * '''AI Kosta''' dig up the original thread and resend | ||
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Latest revision as of 03:52, 13 November 2015
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday Nov 12, 2015 at 1100 Ottawa  HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | Let's use the Foundation's Asterisk setup for this call:
Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968
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Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
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| DTP: | |
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| Eclipse: | |
Dani Megert |
| Modeling: | |
Eike Stepper |
| Mylyn: | |
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| RT: | |
Ian Bull |
| SOA: | |
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| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| WTP: | David Williams | |
All Attendees
- In attendance: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Konstantin Kommisarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, David Williams, Krum Tsvetkov
- Regrets: Neil Hauge, Pascal Rapicault, Lars Vogel
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2015
- Still open items moved to #Action_Items
New Topics
- Feel free to fill in, but not during the meeting :)
Denis: User Storage Service
- Based on Oomph "Preference Sharing", support putting Preferences on Eclipse Servers
- REST-Enabled, targeting Mars.2; Oomph initially but goal to give out more widely eventually
- Using the Eclipse Secure Storage model
- Will inform AC + a wider community as soon as V1 is committed and a staging server is available (should be very soon)
- Marcel interested in sharing simple things like username, E-Mail
- Wayne got good feedback on related talk at Java1
Wayne: EDP 2015 Update
- Tracked via a couple Bugzilla eg bug 463857 as root bug
- Opening up more to infrastructure like Github
- Changes have been approved by the Board of Directors
- bug 481703 Do we require the projects to use Eclipse.org build infrastructure ?
- Today, we require the Downloads to be hosted on Eclipse.org ; we do not require the builds to run on Eclipse.org hardware
- Marcel: Travis integrates nicely with Github, so forcing EMO would just be another pain point without too much value
- Kosta: It's a problem if access to the Build Hardware is not possible for all committers, and if EMO can't intervene (in case the project becomes inactive)
- David: Forcing EMO hardware would be a barrier for new projects to join Eclipse
- Removed the "Two Mentor requirement" for new projects, replaced by an "incubating@eclipse.org" mailing list
- Auto-subscribe all AC members auto-subscribed along with all new project committers
- Opt-out process
- The idea is that most questions will be generic about process rather than specific; have the ML act as a 2nd mentor
- AI Wayne post on the AC mailing list before taking action
Wayne: FEEP Process
- Initial https://projects.eclipse.org/development-efforts but we need more
- 12 bugs open already, prefixed with FEEP on the AC Bugzilla: http://eclip.se/5Z
- AI AC Members please discuss how to prioritize, start acting
- Marcel thinks that some requests have a too large scope for FEEP eg "Editor Autosave" may take weeks or months ?
- Is fixing bugs more important than anything else ?
- Dani: "Editor Autosave" discussion is going in a direction where he doesn't want to spend committer resources ...
- Was intended as a crash recovery mechanism
- Marcel: Voting on Bugzilla isn't transparent ... would prefer something like a Google Doc
- David: Would like to see some criteria eg size of the effort, # users affected, ...
- AI Marcel provide an initial spreadsheet and send to the mailinglist to get this started, ranking within the next 5 days
Denis: Infrastructure
- Added 4 HIPP servers recently - projects tend to prefer faster processors over more cores
- Github Issues vs. Bugzilla discussion
- Starting with a simple one-way "Save" such that we can continue in case something happens to GH
- Not going to do a full sync, especially not a 2-way sync - Doug agrees
Marcel: Mars.Rolling Stream
- David: Still on the Planning Council Agenda but not discussed in any detail yet
- Doug: The question was more about "how to get updates / emergency fixes" out
- Doug pushed 13 updates since the inception of CDT - thinks that supporting "Check for Updates" to fix bugs is really important (weigh out any risks) - Projects should enable their update sites
- Kosta: Update Sites pointing to new functionality makes it very unclear what one gets
- Today, it's almost impossible for anyone outside to produce a distribution with controlled update streams...
- Doug: In the end it boils down to the projects - Nobody stepped up to execute on Kosta's proposal
- Alex: Having update sites is valuable, should not instruct projects to stop doing that
- AI Kosta dig up the original thread and resend