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| '''BIRT:''' | | '''BIRT:''' | ||
| − | | Wenfeng Li | + | | <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike> |
| − | | Gary Xue | + | | <strike>Gary Xue</strike> |
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| '''DTP:''' | | '''DTP:''' | ||
| − | | Brian Payton | + | | <strike>Brian Payton</strike> |
| Linda Chan | | Linda Chan | ||
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| '''DSDP:''' | | '''DSDP:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Gaff | + | | <strike>Doug Gaff</strike> |
| Martin Oberhuber | | Martin Oberhuber | ||
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| '''Eclipse:''' | | '''Eclipse:''' | ||
| − | | Mike Wilson | + | | <strike>Mike Wilson</strike> |
| John Arthorne | | John Arthorne | ||
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| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Ed Merks | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike> |
| − | | Cédric Brun | + | | <strike>Cédric Brun</strike> |
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| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Jeff McAffer | + | | <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike> |
| − | | Jochen Krause<br/>Tom Watson | + | | <strike>Jochen Krause</strike><br/>Tom Watson |
|- | |- | ||
| '''STP:''' | | '''STP:''' | ||
| Oisin Hurley | | Oisin Hurley | ||
| − | | Antoine Toulme | + | | <strike>Antoine Toulme</strike> |
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| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
| − | | Gunnar Wagenknecht | + | | <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike> |
| Wayne Beaton | | Wayne Beaton | ||
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| '''TPTP:''' | | '''TPTP:''' | ||
| Eugene Chan | | Eugene Chan | ||
| − | | Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta | + | | <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike> |
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| '''WTP:''' | | '''WTP:''' | ||
| − | | Tim deBoer | + | | <strike>Tim deBoer</strike> |
| − | | Dave Carver | + | | <strike>Dave Carver</strike><br/>Dave Williams |
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* '''Signed-up:''' | * '''Signed-up:''' | ||
| − | * '''Regrets:''' | + | ** Eugene, Darin Wright, Neil Hauge, Oisin, Linda Chan, Wayne Beaton, Mary Ruddy, Martin O, John Arthorne, Doug Schaefer, Mik Kersten, Tom Watson, Andrew Overholt, Dave Williams, Nick Boldt |
| + | ** ... and one Name I did not understand | ||
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| + | * '''Regrets:''' Tim deBoer | ||
* '''No-Show:''' | * '''No-Show:''' | ||
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== Agenda / Notes == | == Agenda / Notes == | ||
* '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | * '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | ||
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=== Review of Last Meeting === | === Review of Last Meeting === | ||
* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2009]] | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2009]] | ||
| − | * | + | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to recommend Nick Boldt to Mike for nomination |
| − | + | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to talk to Eclipse PMC regarding e4 representation, API deprecation | |
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| − | * '''Martin''' to talk to Eclipse PMC regarding e4 representation, API deprecation | + | |
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* Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | * Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | ||
=== New Topics === | === New Topics === | ||
| − | * Mik: {{bug| | + | * Martin: '''pre-integration of tools''' |
| − | * | + | ** IntelliJ gone open source. |
| + | ** Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn). | ||
| + | ** Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need. | ||
| + | ** AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure? | ||
| + | *** Mik: There is two categories - pre-integration of Tools (svn,...) , and pre-integration of frameworks (Grails, spring framework) | ||
| + | *** Eclipse relies on its ecosystem for making this available | ||
| + | *** Either bring more stuff into Eclipse, or make it easier to install stuff after the fact | ||
| + | *** Wayne: We don't have the resources to test. Would love to see a better install story | ||
| + | *** Martin/John: Eclipse Platform thinking about pre-configured profiles to install... e.g. in Eclipse Platform, have a "Give me an XML Editor" | ||
| + | *** Oisin: p2 is a great platform (automatic dependency mgmt), UI is lacking | ||
| + | *** Mik: Installing the Mylyn integrations was just too hard | ||
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| + | * Mik: '''{{bug|291094}} - Install Technologies''' | ||
| + | ** Wayne: Generalizing the Discovery Connector is a step in the right direction | ||
| + | ** Mylyn Connector Discovery is a UI on top of p2 | ||
| + | ** Vendor puts together a single update site (with references to other sites) | ||
| + | ** Need to be careful about IP (works-with dependency) | ||
| + | ** David W: Load on the Server may be High | ||
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* {{bug|261544}} '''API Deprecation Policies''' | * {{bug|261544}} '''API Deprecation Policies''' | ||
| + | ** John: This is focused on the Platform, no attempt to craft | ||
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones: | We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones: | ||
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* (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort | * (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort | ||
* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list | * (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Tools and Tech PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Dave C''' work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines) | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Dave C''' come up with a document how to save build resources | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Dave C''' to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state | ||
| + | * '''Martin''' to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices]] page | ||
| + | * '''Wayne''' to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation | ||
| + | * '''Wayne''' to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2 | ||
| + | * ''''Ed''' to tell Cloudsmith about {{bug|283745}} Maven | ||
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Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
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| DTP: | |
Linda Chan |
| DSDP: | |
Martin Oberhuber |
| Eclipse: | |
John Arthorne |
| Modeling: | |
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| RT: | |
Tom Watson |
| STP: | Oisin Hurley | |
| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| TPTP: | Eugene Chan | |
| WTP: | |
Dave Williams |
- Signed-up:
- Eugene, Darin Wright, Neil Hauge, Oisin, Linda Chan, Wayne Beaton, Mary Ruddy, Martin O, John Arthorne, Doug Schaefer, Mik Kersten, Tom Watson, Andrew Overholt, Dave Williams, Nick Boldt
- ... and one Name I did not understand
- Regrets: Tim deBoer
- No-Show:
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2009
-
Martin to recommend Nick Boldt to Mike for nomination - Martin to talk to Eclipse PMC regarding e4 representation, API deprecation
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
New Topics
- Martin: pre-integration of tools
- IntelliJ gone open source.
- Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn).
- Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need.
- AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure?
- Mik: There is two categories - pre-integration of Tools (svn,...) , and pre-integration of frameworks (Grails, spring framework)
- Eclipse relies on its ecosystem for making this available
- Either bring more stuff into Eclipse, or make it easier to install stuff after the fact
- Wayne: We don't have the resources to test. Would love to see a better install story
- Martin/John: Eclipse Platform thinking about pre-configured profiles to install... e.g. in Eclipse Platform, have a "Give me an XML Editor"
- Oisin: p2 is a great platform (automatic dependency mgmt), UI is lacking
- Mik: Installing the Mylyn integrations was just too hard
- Mik: bug 291094 - Install Technologies
- Wayne: Generalizing the Discovery Connector is a step in the right direction
- Mylyn Connector Discovery is a UI on top of p2
- Vendor puts together a single update site (with references to other sites)
- Need to be careful about IP (works-with dependency)
- David W: Load on the Server may be High
- bug 261544 API Deprecation Policies
- John: This is focused on the Platform, no attempt to craft
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
Items for next meeting
Old Topics
- DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
- bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
- bug 288721 - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver
- bug 283745 - Maven Repository at Eclipse
- bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
- The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?
- AC Bugzilla backlog
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
- News from the EMO and Councils ?
Action Items
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
- (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
- (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
- (old) Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
- (old) Dave C come up with a document how to save build resources
- (old) Dave C to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
- Martin to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices page
- Wayne to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
- Wayne to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2
- 'Ed to tell Cloudsmith about bug 283745 Maven