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Architecture Council/Meetings/May 8 2014

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday May 8, 2014 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1500 London / 1600 Berlin attention DST change
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Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968

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Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Wenbin He
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
Eike Stepper
Mylyn: Steffen Pingel Mik Kersten
RT: Christian Campo Tom Watson
Doug Clarke
Ian Bull
SOA: Adrian Mos Marc Dutoo
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
WTP: Chuck Bridgham Neil Hauge

All Attendees

  • In attendance: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Neil Hauge, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
  • Regrets:

Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Dark Theme - when switching to white, it hurts
  • New Members: Doug and Andrew will formally nominate one, Wayne will formally nominate the others

Package Installer

Wayne: Decision Making Process for What Goes into the Packages

  • Doug: The top item on downloads page always gets by far the most downloads
    • Confusion around what the Eclipse Standard package is
    • The Packages are the face of Eclipse ... should the AC play a bigger role in defining the contents ?
  • Wayne: Working fine today from his POV, want AC discussion on where to go ("what would be the ideal situation?")
  • Doug: Idea of an installer to pick and choose components, rather than getting the prebuilt all-in-one installers
    • Like the Mentor Graphics installer (EPL'd, sitting on github) on the epp-dev list (Wayne: What about Linux and Mac?)
  • Michael: IntelliJ finds a new file, and suggests a plugin for download (whow!) - avoid the upfront initial decision
  • Eike: Created a new installer for Project OOMPH ... can install the packages ... won't be ready for Luna SR0 but thinking about making more prominent
    • Doug: Interested in trying out ... not going to do anything for Luna, have another year to get solid
      • AI Eike put together some notes + screenshots
      • AI Doug forward info about the Mentor Graphics installer
  • Ian Bull: Get rid of the Downloads page, let member companies do installers only ? (Similar to what Linux does with the distros)
    • Wayne: Interesting thought ... but one reason why we have packages is that this hasn't been happening ... changing this will need a lot of energy
  • Martin: Likes that we're talking about an installer now, and no longer about package contents.
    • Doug: Worried that bottom entries on download page get very similar download numbers ... an installer would be more beneficial
    • Wayne: Getting 2-3 E-Mails per week about "what package should I choose" , "How do I add reporting to Java package" etc .. p2 UI is powerful but a bit cumbersome for the new user
  • Doug: As a Member Company, I'm here for the Ecosystem ... want a good OOBE
  • Wayne: Taking the discussion to the Mailing List, AI All review the minutes and add thoughts where appropriate.

General Topics

  • Wayne: Want more What's Hot in Luna - please provide content and reach out to Mentored Projects
  • Wayne: Many new projects - Please step up as Mentors
  • Marcel: Logging at Eclipse
    • GSoC project going on, will start in the next couple weeks (targeting Mars)
  • Marcel: Discussion about Sending data to Eclipse.org (like heartbeat) is going on in the Technology PMC
    • Wayne: Discussion has also been revived at the EMO ... trying to sort it out and will answer
    • bug 113169 Calling Home Policy

Action Items

  • No new action items.
  • Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
  • (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
  • (old) Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
  • (old) Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated

Next Meeting

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