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| '''BIRT:''' | | '''BIRT:''' | ||
| − | | Wenfeng Li | + | | <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike> |
| Gary Xue | | Gary Xue | ||
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| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Richard Gronback | + | | <strike>Richard Gronback</strike> Cedric Brun |
| − | | Ed Merks | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike> |
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| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Jeff McAffer | + | | <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike> Tom Watson |
| − | | Jochen Krause | + | | <strike>Jochen Krause</strike> |
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| '''STP:''' | | '''STP:''' | ||
| Oisin Hurley | | Oisin Hurley | ||
| − | | Antoine Toulme | + | | <strike>Antoine Toulme</strike> |
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| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
| − | | Gunnar Wagenknecht | + | | <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike> |
| Wayne Beaton | | Wayne Beaton | ||
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| '''Tools:''' | | '''Tools:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Schaefer | + | | <strike>Doug Schaefer</strike> |
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| '''TPTP:''' | | '''TPTP:''' | ||
| Eugene Chan | | Eugene Chan | ||
| − | | Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta | + | | <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike> |
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| '''WTP:''' | | '''WTP:''' | ||
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* '''Signed-up:''' | * '''Signed-up:''' | ||
* '''Regrets:''' | * '''Regrets:''' | ||
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* '''No-Show:''' | * '''No-Show:''' | ||
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** Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it | ** Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it | ||
** AC Wiki: aren't we done? | ** AC Wiki: aren't we done? | ||
| − | ** IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only | + | ** IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only |
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* Action Items | * Action Items | ||
| + | * [Image:Ok_green.gif] '''Dave Carver''' send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage | ||
| + | * [Image:Ok_green.gif] '''Mik''' to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature | ||
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* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication | ||
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea | ||
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* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January) | * (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January) | ||
* (''old'') '''All PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&component=Architecture%20Council filing an AC bug]) | * (''old'') '''All PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&component=Architecture%20Council filing an AC bug]) | ||
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* '''Everyone''' review/edit the various [[Architecture Council]] wiki pages, particularly the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel/FAQ and [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]. Add questions to the FAQ. | * '''Everyone''' review/edit the various [[Architecture Council]] wiki pages, particularly the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel/FAQ and [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]. Add questions to the FAQ. | ||
* New [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:Architecture_Council Category markup] allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC | * New [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:Architecture_Council Category markup] allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC | ||
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=== Administrative === | === Administrative === | ||
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* '''PMC Representation''' on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required | * '''PMC Representation''' on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required | ||
** Backup still required for Tools PMC | ** Backup still required for Tools PMC | ||
| + | ** Modeling: Cedric | ||
=== News from the EMO & Councils === | === News from the EMO & Councils === | ||
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* '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon | * '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon | ||
** Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils | ** Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils | ||
| − | ** | + | *** This is a big chance to really move forward |
| + | *** '''AI Everyone''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | ||
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| + | ** Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner | ||
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** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently | ** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently | ||
| + | *** '''AI Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | ||
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** Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo | ** Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo | ||
| − | * McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the [[ | + | * McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119]] meeting? |
| − | * | + | ** Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX") |
| − | * {{bug|}} news on git | + | ** McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes? |
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| + | * Boris - New [[Platform UI/Bug Triage]] (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice | ||
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| + | * {{bug|257706}} news on git | ||
| + | ** MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively | ||
| + | ** Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF | ||
| + | ** Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; lagging because of Jgit plain Java impl | ||
| + | ** Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit | ||
| + | ** Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect" | ||
| + | *** In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet) | ||
| + | ** git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5! | ||
| + | *** IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!) | ||
| + | *** 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose | ||
| + | *** Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem | ||
| + | *** We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it? | ||
| + | *** Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org | ||
| + | ** How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices | ||
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=== Old items === | === Old items === | ||
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== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
| + | * '''AC Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | ||
| + | * '''Everyone''' add to the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] agenda | ||
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== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
Revision as of 12:58, 12 March 2009
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday March 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1200 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | (+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440# |
Contents
Attendees
- Use the Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
Gary Xue |
| DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
| DSDP: | Doug Gaff | Martin Oberhuber |
| Eclipse: | Philippe Mulet | Mike Wilson |
| Modeling: | |
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| RT: | |
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| STP: | Oisin Hurley | |
| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | |
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| TPTP: | Eugene Chan | |
| WTP: | Tim deBoer | Dave Carver |
- Signed-up:
- Regrets:
- No-Show:
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009
- Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
- AC Wiki: aren't we done?
- IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only
- Action Items
- [Image:Ok_green.gif] Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
- [Image:Ok_green.gif] Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
- (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
- (old) All PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by filing an AC bug)
- Everyone review/edit the various Architecture Council wiki pages, particularly the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel/FAQ and Architecture Council/Links Collection. Add questions to the FAQ.
- New Category markup allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
- Better organize the AC homepage: collect feedback... AI Dave send links to other Wiki pages for review to check which ones we might want to emulate, also, everyone can make suggestions / create mock-up pages for review.
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
Administrative
- PMC Representation on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
- Backup still required for Tools PMC
- Modeling: Cedric
News from the EMO & Councils
- Anything?
New Topics
- EclipseCon - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
- Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
- This is a big chance to really move forward
- AI Everyone review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
- Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
- AI Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
- Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
- McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 meeting?
- Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
- McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?
- Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice
- bug 257706 news on git
- MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
- Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF
- Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; lagging because of Jgit plain Java impl
- Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
- Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
- In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
- git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
- IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
- 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
- Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
- We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
- Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
- How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices
Old items
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
Action Items
- AC Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Everyone add to the Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 agenda