Architecture Council/Meetings/February 9 2017

Meeting Title:	Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time:	Thursday February 9, 2017 at 1100 Ottawa HTML | iCal

Attendees

• In attendance: Carl Anderson (WTP), Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Marc-Andre Laperle, Dani Megert, Alexander Nyßen, Steffen Pingel, Pascal Rapicault, Denis Roy, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Krum Tsvetkov, Mickael Istria

• Regrets: Jay Jay Billings, Marcel Bruch, Christian Campo, Jim Hughes, Martin Lippert, Matthias Sohn, Lars Vogel

#PMC_Rep_Attendees see also below.

Agenda / Notes

• Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
• Last meeting: Architecture Council/Meetings/January 12 2017 -- open actions see #Action_Items

Shipping Non-Eclipse Plugins with EPP

• Pascal: Goal would be improving the User Experience
• Example: AngularJS Editor
• For C/C++, would like to add binaries like Toolchains, compilers, ...
• Where would the binaries reside ... original repo or EPP repo or anywhere else ? EPP repo looks like a good choice
  • Wayne: From an IP / Due Diligence point of view, it doesn't matter
• Pascal: Non-Eclipse Projects often release right after Eclipse; work with such projects to align timing with Eclipse ?
  • Wayne: If projects find value in aligning, why not...
  • Martin: Could theere be 2 tiers of packages ("Eclipse" and "Eclipse Plus" ?)
    • Pascal: That would jeopardize the value - we want things to be "ready together"
    • AI Michael describe Eclipse versus IntelliJ Update Scenarios
    • Mickael: Opening up to more plugins, EPP would need more testers - how to handle that ? Quality of EPP is key!
• Next Steps: Is there any Board Approval required ?
  • Wayne: Likely not for Open Source; would have to talk about any vendor plugins, especially with vendor advertising
  • Wayne: Suggest talking to Planning Council, ideally about a specific example
• Next Steps: AI Pascal Open a Bug against EPP adding the AngularJS editor. Then discuss from there.
  • Carl: Consider adding more tools eg Node.JS to JSDT ?
  • Michael: AngularJS gets in the way when doing React ... may need to define a specific "Angular" or "Typescript" package ?
    • Ideally, when the IDE detects somebody does Angular, it should offer downloading Angular tooling...
    • Pascal: It's relevant shipping tools out-of-the-box that aren't easily discoverable. Terminal for example.

Jonas: Infrastructure Issues

• bug 499399. No offence to webmasters! But perception is still problematic in Europe
  • Committers have issues reliably getting a build turnaround in one day from Europe - harms productivity and trust in the infra
  • Dani: Great steps forward have been made. Git is super reliable, that does allow providing a fix ... it might not be ideal, but nobody should claim they are blocked ?
  • Maximilian: Resolving the target platform is a prerequisite for a fix, and that is a real bottleneck which fails often! Developers are resorting to crude workarounds like local clones. Gerrit and Builds are also important parts of getting a fix in reliably. Things seem to have gotten worse since 2 years ago.
  • Denis: Demand has grown over time with 300+ committers, Nexus, 200+ HIPPs etc... growth is great, keeping up is sometimes hard but plans are in place
  • Mikael: Main issue in terms of productivity was the Tuesday Morning Download Issue bug and it's being resolved
  • Jonas: Glad that EF is aware. Goal is ensuring that enough resources are put on the infra.

• Jonas: bug 510563 process for getting a bugzilla account is a huge problem, users are getting angry!
  • Denis: Bugzilla spam is an issue. Tried contracting a dev, and working with bugzilla upstream but no luck so far...
  • Mickael: Was the idea adding a Captcha pursued ?
    • Denis: The pattern that was seen is an actual user manually creating an account (with captcha!) and then starting to spam...
  • Maximilian: Are there enough resources for addressing issues ?
    • Denis: Posted a Job Offering for a Webmaster / Sysadmin in Europe

• Martin: Provisioning of a Target Platform seems like a Bottleneck. Should that be tracked through a bug ?
  • Pascal: Mirrors in Europe are horrible. Why haven't we pushed our binary bits to bintray yet ? Would also address downloads for people in Europe being too slow. bug 454379 was resolved WONTFIX 2 years ago (now reopened)
  • The whole reason of repo managers is dealing with issues of the Internet going down - proxying binary bits. Nexus & Co do that.
  • Mickael: Tycho does local caching pretty well. See bug 282352 and bug 507397 for adding artifact caching to PDE

General Topics

• New Members - Wayne to nominate 2 candidates

Action Items

• Pascal create EPP bug for adding AngularJS Editor: bug 512008bug 512009bug 512010
• Wayne nominate 2 candidates
• Michael describe Eclipse vs. IntelliJ update scenarios (on the mailing list)

PMC Rep Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

• PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.

BIRT:	Gary Xue
DTP:	Brian Payton	Linda Chan
Eclipse:	Dani Megert	Mike Wilson
Modeling:	Ed Merks	Cédric Brun Eike Stepper
Mylyn:	Steffen Pingel	Mik Kersten
RT:	Christian Campo	Tom Watson
SOA:	Adrian Mos	Marc Dutoo
Technology:	Gunnar Wagenknecht	Wayne Beaton
Tools:	Doug Schaefer	Alex Kurtakov
WTP:	Carl Anderson	Neil Hauge
LocationTech:	Jim Hughes
IoT:	Julien Vermillard

Next Meeting

• Architecture Council/Meetings/March 9 2017