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== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
| − | * Use the [http://www.doodle.com/ | + | * Use the [http://www.doodle.com/de2hn5pystwdtxip Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll] to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg00689.html this message] for how to use it. All [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors|AC Members]] are invited. |
* '''PMC Reps''' please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting. | * '''PMC Reps''' please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting. | ||
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| '''BIRT:''' | | '''BIRT:''' | ||
| − | | Wenfeng Li | + | | <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike> |
| − | | Gary Xue | + | | <strike>Gary Xue</strike> |
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| '''DTP:''' | | '''DTP:''' | ||
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| '''DSDP:''' | | '''DSDP:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Gaff | + | | <strike>Doug Gaff</strike> |
| Martin Oberhuber | | Martin Oberhuber | ||
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| '''Eclipse:''' | | '''Eclipse:''' | ||
| − | | Philippe Mulet | + | | <strike>Philippe Mulet</strike> |
| Mike Wilson | | Mike Wilson | ||
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| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Richard Gronback | + | | <strike>Richard Gronback</strike> |
| − | | Ed Merks<br/>Cédric Brun | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike><br/><strike>Cédric Brun</strike> |
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| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Jeff McAffer | + | | <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike> |
| − | | Jochen Krause<br/>Tom Watson | + | | <strike>Jochen Krause</strike><br/>Tom Watson |
|- | |- | ||
| '''STP:''' | | '''STP:''' | ||
| − | | Oisin Hurley | + | | <strike>Oisin Hurley</strike> |
| Antoine Toulme | | Antoine Toulme | ||
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| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
| − | | Gunnar Wagenknecht | + | | <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike> |
| Wayne Beaton | | Wayne Beaton | ||
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| '''Tools:''' | | '''Tools:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Schaefer | + | | <strike>Doug Schaefer</strike> |
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|- | |- | ||
| '''TPTP:''' | | '''TPTP:''' | ||
| Eugene Chan | | Eugene Chan | ||
| − | | Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta | + | | <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''WTP:''' | | '''WTP:''' | ||
| − | | Tim deBoer | + | | <strike>Tim deBoer</strike> |
| Dave Carver | | Dave Carver | ||
|} | |} | ||
| − | + | * '''Signed-up:''' John Arthorne, Wayne Beaton, Boris Bokowski, David Carver, Eugene Chan, Linda Chan, Brian Fitzpatrick, Neil Hauge, Mik Kersten, Martin Oberhuber, Andrew Overholt, Antoine Toulme, Tom Watson, Mike Wilson | |
| − | * '''Signed-up:''' John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Neil Hauge, | + | * '''Regrets:''' Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Tim deBoer, Sven Efftinge, Markus Knauer, Darin Swanson, Mark VandenBrink, Sebastian Voigt, Darin Wright, |
| − | * '''Regrets:''' Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, | + | * '''No-Show:''' Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Naci Dai, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, Karsten Schmidt, David Williams, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Gunnar Wagenknecht |
| − | * '''No-Show:''' | + | |
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== Agenda / Notes == | == Agenda / Notes == | ||
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=== Review of Last Meeting === | === Review of Last Meeting === | ||
* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 12 2009]] | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 12 2009]] | ||
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* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AC Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AC Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | ||
* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Everyone''' add to the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] agenda | * [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Everyone''' add to the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] agenda | ||
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* Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | * Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | ||
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| − | * ''' | + | * '''Bugzilla Best Practices:''' Boris - New [[Platform UI/Bug Triage]] |
| − | * | + | ** '''AI Martin''' summarize recommendations on Wiki, Dave to add hyperlinks |
| + | ** '''David Carver ''' [[XSL_Release_Plan]] contains the milestones and what bugs are planed to be worked on during particular milestones and which have been completed during those milestones. Also for more information in regards to how we triage and plan using bugzilla see [http://intellectualcramps.blogspot.com/2009/01/agile-bugzilla-bug-triaging.html Agile Bugzilla Triaging] | ||
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| − | + | * '''Git:''' [[Git for Committers]] | |
| + | ** Egit in proposal phase | ||
| + | ** Doug Gaff put notes from EclipseCon VCS and Git BOFs on the Wiki: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 25 GitBof]] | ||
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* '''EclipseCon''' follow-up from [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] | * '''EclipseCon''' follow-up from [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] | ||
** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] panel: | ** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] panel: | ||
| + | ** '''AI Martin''' put notes onto the Wiki | ||
| − | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119]] follow-up | + | === Old items === |
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| + | * '''API Deprecation:''' [[Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119]] follow-up | ||
** Boris - thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX") | ** Boris - thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX") | ||
| − | + | ** McQ: API Dep. is important in order to get innovation without busting existing projects | |
| − | * | + | ** Need to get a Policy written down ... and eventually make that a must-do for the Train. For example |
| − | + | *** Say ahead of time that we intend to remove some function (that has been superseded) | |
| − | * | + | *** Make sure that people can respond to that |
| − | + | *** Deprecate in release N --> Give 2 releases to get off | |
| − | + | *** Proactively prove that it is possible to get off | |
| + | ** When can e4 be on the release train? If anything is broken, we need to give 2 years before people can switch | ||
| + | ** '''Martin:''' soft deprecation ("not rercommended") vs hard deprecation ("strongly discouraged") : add a "best before" date to deprecation tag | ||
| + | ** Talking about a list of tags and their meaning | ||
| + | *** Work on recommendations right now, allow projects to use them | ||
| + | *** McQ thinks it only makes sense if the recommendation "has teeth" as a must-have | ||
| + | *** We won't be able to get it in as a must-have for 3.5, but start working on it and bring it up next call. | ||
* See also [[Architecture Council/Open Issues]] for overflow items that were not discussed | * See also [[Architecture Council/Open Issues]] for overflow items that were not discussed | ||
| + | * '''PMC Representation''' for Tools, WTP? | ||
| + | * Mike/Bjorn on the AC? | ||
| + | * News from the EMO and Councils ? | ||
== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
| − | + | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication | |
| + | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Michael''' to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns]], backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals | ||
| + | ** While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Tools and Tech PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Cedric, Tom''' talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps) | ||
| + | * '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki | ||
| + | * '''Martin''' to create AC bugzilla best practices page | ||
| + | * '''Dave''' to add hyperlinks to that page | ||
| + | * '''Mik''' to send E-Mail with "how to use bug reporting wizarrd" to ac mailing list | ||
| + | * '''Linda''' to send E-Mail with screenshots of portal to define Wiki Navbar to the ac mailing list | ||
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
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* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/May 14 2009]] | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/May 14 2009]] | ||
[[Category:Architecture Council Meeting Minutes]] | [[Category:Architecture Council Meeting Minutes]] | ||
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Contents
Attendees
- Use the Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
|
| DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
| DSDP: | |
Martin Oberhuber |
| Eclipse: | |
Mike Wilson |
| Modeling: | |
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| RT: | |
Tom Watson |
| STP: | |
Antoine Toulme |
| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | |
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| TPTP: | Eugene Chan | |
| WTP: | |
Dave Carver |
- Signed-up: John Arthorne, Wayne Beaton, Boris Bokowski, David Carver, Eugene Chan, Linda Chan, Brian Fitzpatrick, Neil Hauge, Mik Kersten, Martin Oberhuber, Andrew Overholt, Antoine Toulme, Tom Watson, Mike Wilson
- Regrets: Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Tim deBoer, Sven Efftinge, Markus Knauer, Darin Swanson, Mark VandenBrink, Sebastian Voigt, Darin Wright,
- No-Show: Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Naci Dai, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, Karsten Schmidt, David Williams, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Gunnar Wagenknecht
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/March 12 2009
-
AC Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki - Everyone add to the Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 agenda
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
New Topics
- Bugzilla Best Practices: Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage
- AI Martin summarize recommendations on Wiki, Dave to add hyperlinks
- David Carver XSL_Release_Plan contains the milestones and what bugs are planed to be worked on during particular milestones and which have been completed during those milestones. Also for more information in regards to how we triage and plan using bugzilla see Agile Bugzilla Triaging
- Git: Git for Committers
- Egit in proposal phase
- Doug Gaff put notes from EclipseCon VCS and Git BOFs on the Wiki: Architecture Council/Meetings/March 25 GitBof
- EclipseCon follow-up from Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC panel:
- AI Martin put notes onto the Wiki
Old items
- API Deprecation: Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 follow-up
- Boris - thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
- McQ: API Dep. is important in order to get innovation without busting existing projects
- Need to get a Policy written down ... and eventually make that a must-do for the Train. For example
- Say ahead of time that we intend to remove some function (that has been superseded)
- Make sure that people can respond to that
- Deprecate in release N --> Give 2 releases to get off
- Proactively prove that it is possible to get off
- When can e4 be on the release train? If anything is broken, we need to give 2 years before people can switch
- Martin: soft deprecation ("not rercommended") vs hard deprecation ("strongly discouraged") : add a "best before" date to deprecation tag
- Talking about a list of tags and their meaning
- Work on recommendations right now, allow projects to use them
- McQ thinks it only makes sense if the recommendation "has teeth" as a must-have
- We won't be able to get it in as a must-have for 3.5, but start working on it and bring it up next call.
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
- PMC Representation for Tools, WTP?
- Mike/Bjorn on the AC?
- News from the EMO and Councils ?
Action Items
- (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
- (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor
- (old) Cedric, Tom talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps)
- Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
- Martin to create AC bugzilla best practices page
- Dave to add hyperlinks to that page
- Mik to send E-Mail with "how to use bug reporting wizarrd" to ac mailing list
- Linda to send E-Mail with screenshots of portal to define Wiki Navbar to the ac mailing list