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+ | '''April 18, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John | ||
+ | * Martin: [[E4/Scripting]] initiative | ||
+ | ** McQ thinks the E4 Application Model should be exposed as a DOM to scripting .. anything other than utilizing the e4 DOM for hiding a view feels wrong | ||
+ | *** Martin: Approach is very pragmatic - don't see anybody investing into new Frameworks at this point but converging on what already exists | ||
+ | *** If this goes towards macro recording, the recorder should utilize the e4 app model | ||
+ | ** Signing up on the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse-scripting-dev eclipse-scripting-dev] mailing list will keep people in the loop (expect low volume) | ||
+ | * Dani: '''API Approval Process''' Approval on Bug plus sent to eclipse-pmc list (like last year) | ||
+ | * John: '''PDE Committers''' - perception of not being open | ||
+ | ** McQ would like to see a plan item for next year "actively promote more committers from outside" | ||
+ | * Martin: [[Asterisk]] - will need a dialin for Dani in Switzerland; '''AI Dani''' forward his dialin to Martin for the time being | ||
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+ | <hr/> | ||
'''April 11, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John | '''April 11, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John | ||
* Martin: '''LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream''' - Like John's reply making the link between the two | * Martin: '''LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream''' - Like John's reply making the link between the two |
Revision as of 10:57, 18 April 2012
Documents
Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:
Meeting Schedule
The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every wednesday at 10.30am EST.
Meeting Minutes
April 18, 2012: - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
- Martin: E4/Scripting initiative
- McQ thinks the E4 Application Model should be exposed as a DOM to scripting .. anything other than utilizing the e4 DOM for hiding a view feels wrong
- Martin: Approach is very pragmatic - don't see anybody investing into new Frameworks at this point but converging on what already exists
- If this goes towards macro recording, the recorder should utilize the e4 app model
- Signing up on the eclipse-scripting-dev mailing list will keep people in the loop (expect low volume)
- McQ thinks the E4 Application Model should be exposed as a DOM to scripting .. anything other than utilizing the e4 DOM for hiding a view feels wrong
- Dani: API Approval Process Approval on Bug plus sent to eclipse-pmc list (like last year)
- John: PDE Committers - perception of not being open
- McQ would like to see a plan item for next year "actively promote more committers from outside"
- Martin: Asterisk - will need a dialin for Dani in Switzerland; AI Dani forward his dialin to Martin for the time being
April 11, 2012: - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
- Martin: LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream - Like John's reply making the link between the two
- McQ/John: Builds - Moving forward
- McQ: CBI Builds - Platform not going to take any ownership but will be a consumer like others - still shooting for Juno SR1
- Andrew: 4.2 Builds in Fedora 17 - Testing now
- McQ: IBM Ottawa Team moving to new building - expect delays during next couple days
April 4, 2012: - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
- Dani: VM Requirements - Help no longer works on Java 5, this surprised some people... but Project Plan talks about a Java 6 req now
- Martin suggestion: on the "Required JVM" table in the Project Plan, add a 2nd column with closure of BREE including all pre-reqs (continue having 1st column the BREE of the bundle itself auto-generated)
- Dani: Jeff still mentioned as PMC member
- AI Dani send E-Mail
- Martin: Concern about Platform Quality - eg SWT Redraws on 3.7.x - Old-time committers moving away
- McQ: Platform team's focus will continue being maintenance, and new Platform support ... team's capacity is going down, but SWT is not affected mosted
- Martin: Code contributions are easy, hi-quality triage and review are harder
- Martin: Re-think the idea of having committers paid by the Foundation and Member Companies paying their share
- Example: Why would Pascal review p2 in his sparetime ... but if he gets paid per bug his experience can be extremely valuable
- Be more creative on resourcing side
- McQ: In favor of putting more structure in place similar to LTS ("hire people for fixes") ... just continue with LTS ?
- IBM will have a need for fixes for at least another 8 years .. but that's a very self-serving focus
- AI Martin send E-Mail to Mike to keep the ball rolling
- Dani: bug 375292 Reference to Marketplace in the SDK
- Martin: "Classic" is a Building Block but "Packages" are for end users
- McQ: The purity of the SDK in itself isn't relevant
March 21, 2012: - McQ, Dani, Andrew, Martin
- McQ Oracle Java on Mac
- Dani denyNonFastForward
- McQ JDT Team might see some losses
- Andrew Running OpenJDK tests now on ARM :)
March 14, 2012: - McQ, Andrew, Dani, John
- Losing Eclipse project release engineer next week
- David Williams is stepping in to help with our builds until Juno
- Most immediate issue is that our build needs elevated privileges to tag, sign, and promote builds
- kmoir was the only committer with sufficient privileges
- We either need to give another committer sufficient rights, or give build user access it needs
- Could use hooks to ensure build user isn't doing anything other than tagging
- All agreed the build user approach was the best option. John to open bug against foundation to carry it out
March 7, 2012: - McQ, Andrew, Martin, John
- John: API Deletions bug 370248 - PMC agrees.
- McQ: Common Build Infrastructure at the Foundation
- Shipping Platform Juno bits built by PDE ... but Foundation wants EPP packages built by Tycho; Platform can't support this
- Reason might be that 4.2 is planned to be the start of LTS and VLTS .. ok for now if LTS bits are different since not publicly available
- Plus, LTS really starts after Juno SR2 ... Platform might be in a better position for Tycho by then
- In Linux, Fedora also builds by themselves ... but assumption is that people come to Fedora support first
- Martin, Andrew really concerned about fragmentation and duplication of effort ... eg what if the qualifiers don't match
- Should be treated as proof of concept but not publicly available until Juno SR2, in order to avoid fragmentation !
- Shipping Platform Juno bits built by PDE ... but Foundation wants EPP packages built by Tycho; Platform can't support this
February 29, 2012: - Dani, McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
- John: Orion team received a box full of Black Ducks to honour their Black Duck Rookie of the Year award
- Dani: Gerrit Move
- John: Important information needs to stay in Bugzilla ... don't pull from outside git exclusively
- Andrew: Platform Defect Contest
- McQ concern: Lots of duplicate bugs would take focus away from the team
- Martin: Could encourage triage as part of the contest, and only count good/new bugs
- John: Some low-hanging fruit bugs in Platform UI but not necessarily in 4.x ("helpwanted")
- John: Re-introduce the "greatbug" keyword ?
- A greatbug is relevant, new, good description that helps understanding/finding the issue; ideally with a patch.
- Resolution: AI John send note to Mike
- John: PDE API Moved
- Some internal, provisional API was migrated to full API in this release
- Someone from SAP (Dimitar Giormov) Asked adding back the provisional API such that they could support 2 versions of Eclipse with one codebase
- McQ: Would have helped them 4 years ago .. but at the moment don't have enough people
- McQ: Question how pervasive their use of the old API is ... how much Reflection would they need to put int
- One resolution could be OK but only if they provide all the patches
- This kind of duplication is error prone and adds a maintenance burden on the project
February 22, 2012: - Dani, McQ, John, Andrew
- Repeat of PDE build discussion from last week. We decided to nominate John Arthorne as a committer so we at least have someone to accept community patches. We will revisit after Juno and perhaps do a larger restructuring
- Communication with eGit: We have written some patches for eGit that have been growing stale. Dani will review the patches, and then send an email to eGit lead asking if there is a particular reason for not accepting them. If there is no problem with the patches we will track down an eGit committer to release them.
- Andrew asked about process for approving CQs:
- Any PMC member can feel free to approve CQs
- New versions of existing third party libraries are a no-brainer, typically just +1 right away
- For new third party libraries we may need a PMC discussion about why the library is needed, what feature it will live in, etc
- For code contributions just make sure the legal process has been followed and then +1. We generally trust the judgement of the committer who will process the contribution.
February 15, 2012: - Dani, McQ, John
- Some discussion of what to do with PDE Build, which lacks committers. PDE as a whole has barely enough committers to be a functioning project, so maybe we should be looking at a larger restructuring after
Juno rather than one piece at a time. We lacked quorum to make a decision so we will defer discussion to another week.
February 8, 2012: - Dani, Martin, Andrew, McQ
- Andrew: Eclipse stand at FOSDEM in Brussles
- Lots of people just dropped by to say hi and thanks
- Mike Milinkovich was showing off Orion; Gunnar and Andrew did others (Web, EclipseRT, C/C++)
- McQ: 4.2 Quality ... current list of defects looks manageable to tick all off .. any messaging we want to do ?
February 1, 2012: - Dani, Martin, John
- Dani: No UA Committers any more - move UA under Platform UI such that at least somebody can apply patches
- AI John check with Wayne ... UA is a subcomponent now, may not even need a move review.
- Dani: bug 343150 git DenyNonFastForward
- Orion could eventually add tooling to support easy workflows in spite of deny on the repo ... but not in this release
- Ping on the bug again and proceed
- John: Decide when to switch 4.2 builds from re-using 3.x binary bundles vs full 4.x builds
- Today, the 4.x testsuite just tests 4.x specific stuff; things like JDT tests just run against 3.8 today
- Today, cannot generate Javadocs in 4.x today sine it needs the full source
- Today, nightlies are running 3.x only (could change to running 4.x nightlies only)
- Today, 3.x builds run at IBM and 4.x builds run at Eclipse.org
- Only few test failures left in the 4.x builds --> ready to switch
- AI: Kim to send 4.x test results to the mailing list, consider switching right after M5
- Performance Tests: Not yet run on 4.x yet - should be able to run on Denis' vserver
- IBM is going to lose the physical machines for performance tests in 2 weeks ! (Going to migrate to vserver too!)
- Need a new baseline
- Andrew: at FOSSLC in Brussels this week, going to represent Eclipse with Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and others
- Gerrit: Platform won't jump in as an early adopter this time, wait for other projects first
- Not all Platform Unittests can run on Hudson today (need at least some fingerprint tests to get value from Gerrit)
January 25, 2012: - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
- McQ: Note about 4.2 on Release Train
- Andrew: Eclipse 4.2 for Fedora - Feature note written for Eclipse Juno led to some discussion at Eng.Steering Committee, but finally approved
- Dani: Team down by 1 but no impact (Dani is going to take over responsibilities)
- John: Build Failures in UA, Update, PDE, p2 yesterday after the move to Java 7... nobody watching these, need to find caretakers
- UA tests often fail due to a link validity checker, these can be caused by anyone
- Certificate Validity issue (Jar signing)
January 18, 2012: - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
- McQ: 4.2 quality and next steps
- More resources found to enable 4.2 as the LTS base - encouraging, although some items still missing
- Fedora 17 think about shipping 4.2m6 (work ongoing) - that would be a large stack on top of 4.2
- John: Oracle Java 7 as Reference Platform now that the most severe issues are fixed (Java 6 EOL is June 2012 !) - that is Oracle, not OpenJDK
- Not remove Java 6 for now
- Fedora also does all tests on 7
January 11, 2012: - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
- McQ: State of Presentation API's
- Different API's in 4.2 and 3.x -- will need to deprecate API in 3.x
- Christian suggested deleting API that's not implemented in 4.x to get compile errors ... John thinks that binary compatibility is more important
- Plugins will be "mostly OK", presentation API is cosmetic anyways
- McQ: get in touch with clients who use presentation API, telling them what's best to do ... often newer 4.x infrastructure is much better than trying to keep 3.x around forever
- Andrew: Cairo and GTK3
- John: 4.2 compiling now
- Martin: Updated JSch-0.1.44 version - how to announce properly
- AI Martin Announce on eclipse-dev and cross-project
- Should also put into migrtion notes and README
January 4, 2012: - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
- McQ: Pascal's note about p2 leadership .. not sure who could step in and make a commitment (may see the same fate as UA)
- Tom Watson looking for candidates, but looks like none in McQ's team