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− | * '''Signed-up:''' | + | * '''Signed-up:''' Boris B, John A, Chris A, Martin O, Darin W, Ed Merks, Mik Kersten, Bernd Kolb, Darin S, Wayne B, Andrew O, Eugene TPTP, Dave C, Michael S, Linda C |
− | * '''Regrets:''' Neil Hauge, Tom Watson (conflict) | + | * '''Regrets:''' Neil Hauge, Tom Watson (conflict), Doug Gaff (conflict) |
* '''No-Show:''' | * '''No-Show:''' | ||
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+ | * Foundation -- update the number! | ||
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* {{bug|283745}} - Maven - current status, next steps | * {{bug|283745}} - Maven - current status, next steps | ||
+ | ** Wayne: Foundation contacted Sonatype about giving GPL'd Nexus version (maybe only commercial provides OBR support) | ||
+ | ** Need to understand better what needs to happen | ||
+ | ** Mylyn provided everything as POM but canceled this again a year ago since there was no consumers | ||
+ | ** Move ahead if there is not too much work | ||
+ | |||
* {{bug|285074}} - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo | * {{bug|285074}} - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo | ||
+ | ** Agreed on the bug that this should work | ||
+ | ** John: Platform build now working on Eclipse.org, but blocked on not being able to tag | ||
+ | ** Related: Build machine is too slow if many people start building on build.eclipse.org | ||
+ | ** Martin: Would vservers help? | ||
+ | ** Dave: Stats by Foundation would help | ||
+ | ** Bernd: Not signing every build would help | ||
+ | ** Denis: Possible solutions include more servers / less signing / better scheduling | ||
+ | ** Wayne: Hudson should be able to control what runs in parallel | ||
+ | ** Bernd: What about build2.eclipse.org rather than vservers | ||
+ | *** Denis: Even if on multiple servers, everyone building at the same time is an issue | ||
+ | ** Options for the Community: less signing, different servers, funnel everything through a single build queue | ||
+ | *** DaveC: Incremental checkouts rather than pulling ALL | ||
+ | ** '''AI DaveC''' to come up with ideas in a document how to save build resources | ||
+ | *** Better implement improvements directly in Athena rather than having projects do all by themselves | ||
+ | |||
* {{bug|288393}} - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices | * {{bug|288393}} - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices | ||
+ | ** Boris: If there is only ONE assignee for all "triaged" bugs across all of Eclipse, it would be hard to "listen" | ||
+ | ** Want experience reports from a first team implementing the new solution before advertising best practice | ||
+ | ** The new TRIAGED state would be a global change | ||
+ | ** Mik: Mylyn experiments went well, Bugzilla team has been doing something similar | ||
+ | ** If experiments with a TRIAGED state fail, it could be converted into a status_whiteboard or keyword | ||
+ | *** Mik would prefer a project to try it with a keyword | ||
+ | ** Mik: Adding a state is the biggest change we can make... why Mozilla hasn't done this? | ||
+ | *** Mozilla is using UNCONFIRMED as initial state, once triaged they go to NEW (this is a per-project setting) | ||
+ | *** UNCONFIRMED is supported on a per-project basis (as an exception) | ||
+ | *** Advantage: consistent with mozilla, Disadvantage: inconsistent with Eclipse.org | ||
+ | *** '''AI Dave C''' volunteers the WTP project to go and try the UNCONFIRMED state (after checking with Dave W) | ||
+ | ** Migration problems with existing NEW bugs? | ||
+ | *** Boris thinks that most bugs in the system today are actually triaged... so less migration effort | ||
+ | *** Denis: Can configure bugmail to receive ONE initial E-mail only as long as a bug is UNCONFIRMED | ||
+ | |||
* {{bug|288721}} - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver | * {{bug|288721}} - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver | ||
+ | ** Quality statistics for Projects. Dave is a fan of Eclemma | ||
+ | ** Boris: Author of Eclemma is working on a replacement for Emma | ||
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=== Old items === | === Old items === |
Revision as of 11:52, 10 September 2009
Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
Date & Time: | Thursday September 10, 2009 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML | iCal |
Dial-in: | (+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440# |
Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: | Wenfeng Li | Gary Xue |
DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
DSDP: | Doug Gaff | Martin Oberhuber |
Eclipse: | Philippe Mulet | Mike Wilson |
Modeling: | Richard Gronback | Ed Merks Cédric Brun |
RT: | Jeff McAffer | Jochen Krause Tom Watson |
STP: | Oisin Hurley | Antoine Toulme |
Technology: | Gunnar Wagenknecht | Wayne Beaton |
Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
TPTP: | Eugene Chan | Oliver Cole Joanna Kubasta |
WTP: | Tim deBoer | Dave Carver |
- Signed-up: Boris B, John A, Chris A, Martin O, Darin W, Ed Merks, Mik Kersten, Bernd Kolb, Darin S, Wayne B, Andrew O, Eugene TPTP, Dave C, Michael S, Linda C
- Regrets: Neil Hauge, Tom Watson (conflict), Doug Gaff (conflict)
- No-Show:
- Foundation -- update the number!
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/August 13 2009
- (old) Dave Carver to blog about bugzilla best practices
- (old) Wayne to E-mail e.o-committers after that
- Dave C prepare a "cookbook" for bug 283734 Crowdsourcing Docs / WikiText --> DocumentationGuidelines, Dave's Blog
- Tom S ask Maven expert to comment on bug 283745
- Wayne to blog about Maven bug 283745 to get more comments
- Martin to comment on bug 283745 that the AC discussed and supports maven
- Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
New Topics
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
- bug 283745 - Maven - current status, next steps
- Wayne: Foundation contacted Sonatype about giving GPL'd Nexus version (maybe only commercial provides OBR support)
- Need to understand better what needs to happen
- Mylyn provided everything as POM but canceled this again a year ago since there was no consumers
- Move ahead if there is not too much work
- bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
- Agreed on the bug that this should work
- John: Platform build now working on Eclipse.org, but blocked on not being able to tag
- Related: Build machine is too slow if many people start building on build.eclipse.org
- Martin: Would vservers help?
- Dave: Stats by Foundation would help
- Bernd: Not signing every build would help
- Denis: Possible solutions include more servers / less signing / better scheduling
- Wayne: Hudson should be able to control what runs in parallel
- Bernd: What about build2.eclipse.org rather than vservers
- Denis: Even if on multiple servers, everyone building at the same time is an issue
- Options for the Community: less signing, different servers, funnel everything through a single build queue
- DaveC: Incremental checkouts rather than pulling ALL
- AI DaveC to come up with ideas in a document how to save build resources
- Better implement improvements directly in Athena rather than having projects do all by themselves
- bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
- Boris: If there is only ONE assignee for all "triaged" bugs across all of Eclipse, it would be hard to "listen"
- Want experience reports from a first team implementing the new solution before advertising best practice
- The new TRIAGED state would be a global change
- Mik: Mylyn experiments went well, Bugzilla team has been doing something similar
- If experiments with a TRIAGED state fail, it could be converted into a status_whiteboard or keyword
- Mik would prefer a project to try it with a keyword
- Mik: Adding a state is the biggest change we can make... why Mozilla hasn't done this?
- Mozilla is using UNCONFIRMED as initial state, once triaged they go to NEW (this is a per-project setting)
- UNCONFIRMED is supported on a per-project basis (as an exception)
- Advantage: consistent with mozilla, Disadvantage: inconsistent with Eclipse.org
- AI Dave C volunteers the WTP project to go and try the UNCONFIRMED state (after checking with Dave W)
- Migration problems with existing NEW bugs?
- Boris thinks that most bugs in the system today are actually triaged... so less migration effort
- Denis: Can configure bugmail to receive ONE initial E-mail only as long as a bug is UNCONFIRMED
- bug 288721 - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver
- Quality statistics for Projects. Dave is a fan of Eclemma
- Boris: Author of Eclemma is working on a replacement for Emma
Old items
- The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?
- AC Bugzilla backlog
- Follow-up on Architecture Council/Bugzilla Best Practices - how to move on?
- Dave C AC should look at other Agile Principles can be employed (in addition to the Bugzilla practices)
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
- News from the EMO and Councils ?
Action Items
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
- (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor
- (old) Cedric, Tom talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps)
- (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
- Dave Carver to blog about bugzilla best practices
- Wayne to E-mail e.o-committers after that