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== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
* IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian | ||
− | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber (Michael Scharf n/a) |
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | * Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | ||
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=== Current Work === | === Current Work === | ||
* '''Skype Call Quality''' | * '''Skype Call Quality''' | ||
+ | ** Some quality problems (Echo, break-ups) with Rupen, Kevin and Xuan. Resolved by kicking and re-dialing | ||
+ | ** Conference setup was hard until everybody was in (multiple tries), but in the end it worked OK with 8 participants. | ||
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto | * '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto | ||
− | * '''[http://wiki.eclipse.org/BugDay/November_2007 BugDay]''' this Friday November 30 | + | * '''[http://wiki.eclipse.org/BugDay/November_2007 BugDay]''' this Friday November 30 -- currently 23 bugs marked for BugDay |
+ | ** Kushal and Kevin started the [http://rseworld.blogspot.com/2007/11/target-management-202-released.html RSE World blog], will write about BugDay | ||
* Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan''' | * Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan''' | ||
+ | ** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 10 weeks / 2 milestones, so each committer is due 20 fixes / 6 unittests | ||
+ | ** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap this bugzilla report]: DaveM 43, MichaelS 31, Martin 20, Xuan 13, Kevin 12, Javier 4, Uwe 3, DaveD 3 | ||
+ | ** Also grab simple bugs to get the count down -- that's what Rupen's doing | ||
+ | ** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin will add Releng scripts next | ||
* '''DaveD:''' - {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default | * '''DaveD:''' - {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default | ||
− | ** Hi-Pri P2/Major bugs | + | ** Hi-Pri P2/Major bugs -- starting to work on the bug backlog; |
− | ** What should we do with the RSE Programmer Guide [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/topic/org.eclipse.rse.doc.isv/guide/Extensions.html Extensions.html] document compared to the [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/topic/org.eclipse.rse.doc.isv/reference/extension-points/org_eclipse_rse_subsystems_files_core_remoteFileTypes.html Extension Points Reference]? Should we try to keep them in sync manually? | + | ** What should we do with the RSE Programmer Guide [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/topic/org.eclipse.rse.doc.isv/guide/Extensions.html Extensions.html] document compared to the [http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/topic/org.eclipse.rse.doc.isv/reference/extension-points/org_eclipse_rse_subsystems_files_core_remoteFileTypes.html Extension Points Reference]? Should we try to keep them in sync manually, or replace with a link to the Reference? |
+ | *** Probably just change the wording: "These are the most useful extension points... see the reference for others" -- '''New''' {{Bug|211095}} | ||
* '''DaveM:''' - New P2 Regressions to be fixed in M4 urgently: | * '''DaveM:''' - New P2 Regressions to be fixed in M4 urgently: | ||
− | ** {{Bug|210555}} - NPE during ssh files / delete | + | ** {{Bug|209704}} - Contribute encoding conversion extension point |
+ | *** Upload and download are slightly different; receive-all-then-convert or convert-on-the-fly | ||
+ | *** Have it in subsystem or in service? - Martin: What happens if user selects a conversion but service does not provide/support it? | ||
+ | *** Perhaps have a supportsEncodingConversion() in IFileService with a default returning false in AbstractFileService; and subsystem to check | ||
+ | ** {{Bug|210555}} - NPE during ssh files / delete - fixed by Xuan, by putting code in "Local" only | ||
+ | *** {{Bug|211067}} - (Xuan) get rid of SystemMessages in Service layer | ||
+ | **** DaveD: SystemMessages are heavily used in IBM products, they rely on having message ID's | ||
+ | **** There are two problems: (a) the whole interface, and (b) the format in which messages are stored | ||
+ | **** Martin: What does SystemMessage have, that could not be mapped to an IStatus object? --> The Level 2 Text | ||
+ | ***** The namespace spanned by IStatus is more general, SystemMessage codes need to be "administered" to ensure uniqueness | ||
+ | **** Could we define an "RSEStatus" object that has all the properties we need from SystemMessage but still conforms to IStatus | ||
+ | **** DaveD: There must be an associated Property with the IStatus (to do something useful, in case the message is not being translated) | ||
+ | **** '''AI Martin''' Cover these ideas in the bug | ||
** {{Bug|210563}} - No error message shown when failure during expanding a filter | ** {{Bug|210563}} - No error message shown when failure during expanding a filter | ||
+ | ** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page? | ||
+ | *** Martin's recommendation: keep property pages self-contained wherever possible; cross-modification may be possible | ||
+ | *** Alternative was to have an extension point to modify the existing property page | ||
+ | **** Uwe: The Property Dialog now has IPageChangeListener (new API since Eclipse 3.1) -- might help to fix the problem; the only undefined point is when the event occurs, before or after the actual change; together with IPropertyChangeListener | ||
+ | **** '''AI DaveM''' Look at IPageChangeListener / E-Mail to [mailto:eclipse.org-committers@eclipse.org eclipse.org-committers@eclipse.org] | ||
* '''Kevin:''' - {{Bug|208778}} EFS#APPEND | * '''Kevin:''' - {{Bug|208778}} EFS#APPEND | ||
− | * '''Xuan:''' - | + | * '''Xuan:''' - Tar handling; some IBM issues on the side |
− | * '''Javier:''' - | + | * '''Javier:''' - Been on vacation last week; some Symbian stuff right now; cannot promise the bugcount promise |
* '''Martin:''' - Worked on [[DSDP/TM/TCF FAQ|TCF]]; Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | * '''Martin:''' - Worked on [[DSDP/TM/TCF FAQ|TCF]]; Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | ||
− | * '''Uwe:''' - | + | * '''Uwe:''' - Did some fix to the New Connection Wizard first page (systemType selection) |
− | * '''Rupen:''' - | + | * '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Discussion on scope of enhancement? Discussions on which buttons will/should be used in the new renaming dialog. Should the rename button even exist? |
+ | ** DaveM: Rename makes sense for a single file, but not for multiple files (one easily loses track) | ||
+ | ** Martin: Compare directories first, come up with a table of conflicts; allow user to select each line in turn, then compare/cancel etc. DaveM: Similar to the "Rename Multiple" Dialog | ||
+ | ** Renaming is just a workaround anyways. People don't want to rename. They want to diff the files to see what's the right version | ||
+ | ** Gravitating towards something very simple -- show all conflicts, overwrite all / cancel all; keep advanced operations like overwrite / diff / etc to the Team/Sync integration; '''AI Martin''' add on the bug | ||
* '''Michael:''' - | * '''Michael:''' - | ||
* '''Questions''' | * '''Questions''' | ||
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* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 14-Nov-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 14-Nov-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | ||
* '''DaveD''': fixes, unit tests | * '''DaveD''': fixes, unit tests | ||
− | * '''DaveM''': fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about {{Bug|209704}} | + | * '''DaveM''': Ask committers about multi-property-dialog; fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about {{Bug|209704}} |
* '''Xuan''': fixes, unit tests | * '''Xuan''': fixes, unit tests | ||
* '''Kevin''': fixes, unit tests | * '''Kevin''': fixes, unit tests | ||
− | * '''Martin''': Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup | + | * '''Martin''': Update bugzilla's; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup |
* '''Javier''': fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]] | * '''Javier''': fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]] | ||
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | * '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | ||
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== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
* Monthly [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 5-Dec-2007]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=5&year=2007&hour=16&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 9am PST / 1600 UTC] | * Monthly [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 5-Dec-2007]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=5&year=2007&hour=16&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 9am PST / 1600 UTC] | ||
− | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2007&month=12&day=12&hour= | + | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2007&month=12&day=12&hour=16&min=00&sec=0&p1=224&p2=159&p3=250&p4=136&p5=223&iv=1800 1600 UTC] (without Kevin and Rupen) |
[[Category:DSDP/TM]] | [[Category:DSDP/TM]] |
Latest revision as of 13:50, 27 November 2007
Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
Date & Time: | Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern |
Dial-in: | Martin to call everybody by Skype |
Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #
MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.
Attendees
- IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber (Michael Scharf n/a)
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).
Agenda
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 14-Nov-2007
Current Work
- Skype Call Quality
- Some quality problems (Echo, break-ups) with Rupen, Kevin and Xuan. Resolved by kicking and re-dialing
- Conference setup was hard until everybody was in (multiple tries), but in the end it worked OK with 8 participants.
- Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
- BugDay this Friday November 30 -- currently 23 bugs marked for BugDay
- Kushal and Kevin started the RSE World blog, will write about BugDay
- Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
- Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 10 weeks / 2 milestones, so each committer is due 20 fixes / 6 unittests
- Current situation is on this bugzilla report: DaveM 43, MichaelS 31, Martin 20, Xuan 13, Kevin 12, Javier 4, Uwe 3, DaveD 3
- Also grab simple bugs to get the count down -- that's what Rupen's doing
- Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin will add Releng scripts next
- DaveD: - bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
- Hi-Pri P2/Major bugs -- starting to work on the bug backlog;
- What should we do with the RSE Programmer Guide Extensions.html document compared to the Extension Points Reference? Should we try to keep them in sync manually, or replace with a link to the Reference?
- Probably just change the wording: "These are the most useful extension points... see the reference for others" -- New bug 211095
- DaveM: - New P2 Regressions to be fixed in M4 urgently:
- bug 209704 - Contribute encoding conversion extension point
- Upload and download are slightly different; receive-all-then-convert or convert-on-the-fly
- Have it in subsystem or in service? - Martin: What happens if user selects a conversion but service does not provide/support it?
- Perhaps have a supportsEncodingConversion() in IFileService with a default returning false in AbstractFileService; and subsystem to check
- bug 210555 - NPE during ssh files / delete - fixed by Xuan, by putting code in "Local" only
- bug 211067 - (Xuan) get rid of SystemMessages in Service layer
- DaveD: SystemMessages are heavily used in IBM products, they rely on having message ID's
- There are two problems: (a) the whole interface, and (b) the format in which messages are stored
- Martin: What does SystemMessage have, that could not be mapped to an IStatus object? --> The Level 2 Text
- The namespace spanned by IStatus is more general, SystemMessage codes need to be "administered" to ensure uniqueness
- Could we define an "RSEStatus" object that has all the properties we need from SystemMessage but still conforms to IStatus
- DaveD: There must be an associated Property with the IStatus (to do something useful, in case the message is not being translated)
- AI Martin Cover these ideas in the bug
- bug 211067 - (Xuan) get rid of SystemMessages in Service layer
- bug 210563 - No error message shown when failure during expanding a filter
- bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
- Martin's recommendation: keep property pages self-contained wherever possible; cross-modification may be possible
- Alternative was to have an extension point to modify the existing property page
- Uwe: The Property Dialog now has IPageChangeListener (new API since Eclipse 3.1) -- might help to fix the problem; the only undefined point is when the event occurs, before or after the actual change; together with IPropertyChangeListener
- AI DaveM Look at IPageChangeListener / E-Mail to eclipse.org-committers@eclipse.org
- bug 209704 - Contribute encoding conversion extension point
- Kevin: - bug 208778 EFS#APPEND
- Xuan: - Tar handling; some IBM issues on the side
- Javier: - Been on vacation last week; some Symbian stuff right now; cannot promise the bugcount promise
- Martin: - Worked on TCF; Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
- Uwe: - Did some fix to the New Connection Wizard first page (systemType selection)
- Rupen: - bug 210682 - Discussion on scope of enhancement? Discussions on which buttons will/should be used in the new renaming dialog. Should the rename button even exist?
- DaveM: Rename makes sense for a single file, but not for multiple files (one easily loses track)
- Martin: Compare directories first, come up with a table of conflicts; allow user to select each line in turn, then compare/cancel etc. DaveM: Similar to the "Rename Multiple" Dialog
- Renaming is just a workaround anyways. People don't want to rename. They want to diff the files to see what's the right version
- Gravitating towards something very simple -- show all conflicts, overwrite all / cancel all; keep advanced operations like overwrite / diff / etc to the Team/Sync integration; AI Martin add on the bug
- Michael: -
- Questions
- Bugzilla:
Vacation, Away
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- DaveD: fixes, unit tests
- DaveM: Ask committers about multi-property-dialog; fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about bug 209704
- Xuan: fixes, unit tests
- Kevin: fixes, unit tests
- Martin: Update bugzilla's; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
- Javier: fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
- Michael: Terminal improvements
Next Meeting
- Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 5-Dec-2007 at 9am PST / 1600 UTC
- DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007 at 1600 UTC (without Kevin and Rupen)