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Skype fallback dial-in - only if less than 5 participants: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.<br/> | Skype fallback dial-in - only if less than 5 participants: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.<br/> | ||
− | == | + | == Attendees == |
− | * IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Kevin Doyle | + | * IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Kevin Doyle |
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orús | * Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orús | ||
− | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber |
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only). | This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only). | ||
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| Michael || 10% || Terminal API cleanup, plus small fixes; performance improvements || 10% | | Michael || 10% || Terminal API cleanup, plus small fixes; performance improvements || 10% | ||
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=== Plan for the TM Future === | === Plan for the TM Future === | ||
Beginning of next week, the Europa Release Review slides are due. I'd like to have a rough idea where we are heading. It's also important to know when deciding what bugs can be deferred to later. Here is an outline as a discussion start: See also [[TM Future Planning]] | Beginning of next week, the Europa Release Review slides are due. I'd like to have a rough idea where we are heading. It's also important to know when deciding what bugs can be deferred to later. Here is an outline as a discussion start: See also [[TM Future Planning]] | ||
* TM 2.0.1 with Europa (in autumn) or slightly earlier | * TM 2.0.1 with Europa (in autumn) or slightly earlier | ||
+ | ** Wind River might need 2.0.1 slightly before Europa SR1; | ||
+ | ** DaveD taking off 2 weeks in August (7th-20th) and large part (end of) September, heading to Prague | ||
** Work on unittests, isv docs over the summer in HEAD | ** Work on unittests, isv docs over the summer in HEAD | ||
− | ** Fork off from mainline in autumn | + | ** Fork off from mainline in autumn; if we have any large things for 3.0 and want to start before 2.0.1 might do that in a branch; but having the branch this or that way is not a big deal |
− | * Will the next TM release be TM 2.1 or TM 3.0? | + | ** User actions: consider replacing it entirely by command framework |
+ | * Will the next TM release (Ganymade coordinated release) be TM 2.1 or TM 3.0? | ||
** We'd probably need 3.0 for further UI/Non-UI, API Polish, finalizing terminal API | ** We'd probably need 3.0 for further UI/Non-UI, API Polish, finalizing terminal API | ||
− | ** | + | ** Doing 2.1 might be possible but harder than going for 3.0 right away; Finishing the UI/Non-UI refactoring is essential to complete for the next release |
+ | *** TM 3.0 probably not a problem at IBM | ||
+ | *** Javier comfortable with what RSE looks like at the moment | ||
+ | *** Better going for 3.0 since not yet happy with API | ||
** We could shoot for a 3.0 but strive to keep API changes small and potentially have a compatibility plugin | ** We could shoot for a 3.0 but strive to keep API changes small and potentially have a compatibility plugin | ||
+ | ** '''Integrate''' in next release - strong should: | ||
+ | *** WebDAV, Team Sync (minimal data transfer), Wicked Shell, JArchive (through RSE extension point) | ||
** '''Add''' in next release: | ** '''Add''' in next release: | ||
− | *** User actions, Launch Actions, VLM Lab Manager, IPxAct data, Connection Groups | + | *** User actions (probably replace by Command framework), Launch Actions, VLM Lab Manager, IPxAct data, Connection Groups |
− | ** | + | *** DaveM: tings existing with IBM already: Remote Java Debug, Remote Jar Export (need legal review); export to multiple targets; |
− | *** | + | *** Contribute IBM "External Tools" implementation (very interesting!) - potentially consolidate into single User Actions framework |
** Potentially move to Platform + 0 level --> move CDT Launcher to CDT Project | ** Potentially move to Platform + 0 level --> move CDT Launcher to CDT Project | ||
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* If there are any risky fixes, make them as early as possible, less risky fixes later | * If there are any risky fixes, make them as early as possible, less risky fixes later | ||
* '''Reviewing assigned bugs''' regarding priority and potential to defer past 2.0: Individual committers, DaveD+Martin, or Martin alone? | * '''Reviewing assigned bugs''' regarding priority and potential to defer past 2.0: Individual committers, DaveD+Martin, or Martin alone? | ||
+ | ** Have a review phase on Friday; Kushal reviewing his; fields to change are "Priority" and "Target Milestone" | ||
+ | ** Have each committer do a first pass on his own assigned bugs; DaveD and Martin go through the list again on Monday. | ||
* Avoid breaking API changes from now on (though we can still break API if absolutely necessary) | * Avoid breaking API changes from now on (though we can still break API if absolutely necessary) | ||
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* '''Current Priorities:''' Fix bugs by Priority | * '''Current Priorities:''' Fix bugs by Priority | ||
− | ** '''Javier''': Some FTP related bugs; | + | ** '''Javier''': Some FTP related bugs; Happy to help out with other stuff; User docs and ISV docs for Discovery? Javier fine with doing it in RC2/RC3; Martin help out with releng aspects. |
− | ** '''DaveD''': Translation / Menmonics stuff, [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=187647 187647] Persistence in Metadata | + | ** '''DaveD''': Translation / Menmonics stuff, [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=187647 187647] Persistence in Metadata - dont see problems but needs fairly thorough testing |
*** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=153632 153632] incorrect filterpool for dstore - are we really converging to a single filter pool? | *** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=153632 153632] incorrect filterpool for dstore - are we really converging to a single filter pool? | ||
− | ** '''DaveM''': Refresh related bugs; single filter pool? | + | ** '''DaveM''': Refresh related bugs; single filter pool? - DaveM does want to get to it this week: coordinate with DaveD since some issues might come up in the Persistence area |
** '''Martin''': Need to bring Releng scripts up to latest for Orbit; Review and release Telnet fixes; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=172650 172650] Capabilities; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=176461 176461] expand-to-level; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=186315 186315] EFS problematic URIs; | ** '''Martin''': Need to bring Releng scripts up to latest for Orbit; Review and release Telnet fixes; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=172650 172650] Capabilities; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=176461 176461] expand-to-level; [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=186315 186315] EFS problematic URIs; | ||
− | *** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=170910 170910] Integrate Terminalview -- '''OK to defer''' past 2.0? | + | *** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=170910 170910] Integrate Terminalview -- '''OK to defer''' past 2.0? Add in 2.0.1? |
+ | **** Kushal: make it available as experimental download? | ||
+ | **** DaveM: make it in two pathes (separate subsystem first, integrate into commandview later)? | ||
+ | **** IBM has a very loose terminal integration: select host, "Open Terminal" opens a separate terminal view; that would give us some kind of integration. But for TM Terminal, there are no translations, no clearance etc. | ||
+ | **** '''Decision''': Better invest time into 2.0 bugfixes, and adding the Terminal in an early 3.0 milestone. | ||
*** Would like to '''Rename org.eclipse.rse.eclipse.filesystem to org.eclipse.rse.efs''' -- OK? | *** Would like to '''Rename org.eclipse.rse.eclipse.filesystem to org.eclipse.rse.efs''' -- OK? | ||
+ | **** DaveD: Files in there need to be retargeted - should not be a big problem | ||
*** API: Would like to add some "throws" clauses to ISystemRegistry and others to ensure that nobody expects it to show messages (necessary when it is to go into non-UI in the future) -- OK? | *** API: Would like to add some "throws" clauses to ISystemRegistry and others to ensure that nobody expects it to show messages (necessary when it is to go into non-UI in the future) -- OK? | ||
+ | **** Kushal: Better make API change now rather than later | ||
*** EFS: Copy(), Move(); minimal plugin activations; UI/Non-UI | *** EFS: Copy(), Move(); minimal plugin activations; UI/Non-UI | ||
− | ** '''Kushal''': Single "Encoding" control on the Host (for all subsystems) | + | ** '''Kushal''': Single "Encoding" control on the Host (for all subsystems); will be removing encoding control on the Shells property page |
* '''Bugzilla''': [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit Severity Major], [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&field0-0-0=priority&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=P%5B12%5D&field0-0-1=bug_severity&type0-0-1=regexp&value0-0-1=blocker%7Ccritical%7Cmajor hi-priority] | * '''Bugzilla''': [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit Severity Major], [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&field0-0-0=priority&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=P%5B12%5D&field0-0-1=bug_severity&type0-0-1=regexp&value0-0-1=blocker%7Ccritical%7Cmajor hi-priority] | ||
== Vacation, Away == | == Vacation, Away == | ||
* DaveD travelling this week, but that shouldn't affect anything | * DaveD travelling this week, but that shouldn't affect anything | ||
− | * Monday May 28 - Pentecost Monday in Austria, Memorial Day in US (public holiday) | + | * Monday May 28 - Pentecost Monday in Austria (Martin OOO), Memorial Day in US (public holiday, but DaveD probably working) |
== Action Items == | == Action Items == |
Latest revision as of 06:54, 23 May 2007
Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
Date & Time: | Tuesday May 22, 2007 at 1500 UTC |
Dial-in: | International +44 (0)1452 567588 North America +1 (866) 6161738 (toll free) UK National 08712460713 Passcode: 0587322148 # |
MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype fallback dial-in - only if less than 5 participants: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.
Contents
Attendees
- IBM - Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Kevin Doyle
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orús
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).
Notes
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 15-May-2007
News & Review Action Items
Martin | 100% | RSE bugs (see bugzilla), releaseing M7 | 100% |
DaveD | 80% | Persistence in metadata, Translations, Mnemonics | 80% |
DaveM | 50% | Bugfixes | 50% |
Kushal | 40% | BIDI Encodings | 40% |
Javier | 30% | FTP Parser Extension Point | 30% |
Ted | 0% | - | 0% |
Uwe | 5% | - | 5% |
Michael | 10% | Terminal API cleanup, plus small fixes; performance improvements | 10% |
Plan for the TM Future
Beginning of next week, the Europa Release Review slides are due. I'd like to have a rough idea where we are heading. It's also important to know when deciding what bugs can be deferred to later. Here is an outline as a discussion start: See also TM Future Planning
- TM 2.0.1 with Europa (in autumn) or slightly earlier
- Wind River might need 2.0.1 slightly before Europa SR1;
- DaveD taking off 2 weeks in August (7th-20th) and large part (end of) September, heading to Prague
- Work on unittests, isv docs over the summer in HEAD
- Fork off from mainline in autumn; if we have any large things for 3.0 and want to start before 2.0.1 might do that in a branch; but having the branch this or that way is not a big deal
- User actions: consider replacing it entirely by command framework
- Will the next TM release (Ganymade coordinated release) be TM 2.1 or TM 3.0?
- We'd probably need 3.0 for further UI/Non-UI, API Polish, finalizing terminal API
- Doing 2.1 might be possible but harder than going for 3.0 right away; Finishing the UI/Non-UI refactoring is essential to complete for the next release
- TM 3.0 probably not a problem at IBM
- Javier comfortable with what RSE looks like at the moment
- Better going for 3.0 since not yet happy with API
- We could shoot for a 3.0 but strive to keep API changes small and potentially have a compatibility plugin
- Integrate in next release - strong should:
- WebDAV, Team Sync (minimal data transfer), Wicked Shell, JArchive (through RSE extension point)
- Add in next release:
- User actions (probably replace by Command framework), Launch Actions, VLM Lab Manager, IPxAct data, Connection Groups
- DaveM: tings existing with IBM already: Remote Java Debug, Remote Jar Export (need legal review); export to multiple targets;
- Contribute IBM "External Tools" implementation (very interesting!) - potentially consolidate into single User Actions framework
- Potentially move to Platform + 0 level --> move CDT Launcher to CDT Project
Ramp Down Plan
- TM 2.0 Ramp down Plan for Europa, based on Europa Simultaneous Release#Milestones and Release Candidates
- RC1 -- Fri May 25 (5 work days) -- May 30: Release Review Slide Decks due
- RC2 -- Tue Jun 5 (6 work days)
- RC3 -- Thu Jun 14 (7 work days; Martin vacation 12-Jun til 21-Jun!)
- RC4 -- Thu Jun 21 (5 work days)
- EUROPA -- Jun 29
- 1-committer-review recommended for RC1, required afterwards.
- If there are any risky fixes, make them as early as possible, less risky fixes later
- Reviewing assigned bugs regarding priority and potential to defer past 2.0: Individual committers, DaveD+Martin, or Martin alone?
- Have a review phase on Friday; Kushal reviewing his; fields to change are "Priority" and "Target Milestone"
- Have each committer do a first pass on his own assigned bugs; DaveD and Martin go through the list again on Monday.
- Avoid breaking API changes from now on (though we can still break API if absolutely necessary)
Bugs and open work to be discussed
- Current Priorities: Fix bugs by Priority
- Javier: Some FTP related bugs; Happy to help out with other stuff; User docs and ISV docs for Discovery? Javier fine with doing it in RC2/RC3; Martin help out with releng aspects.
- DaveD: Translation / Menmonics stuff, 187647 Persistence in Metadata - dont see problems but needs fairly thorough testing
- 153632 incorrect filterpool for dstore - are we really converging to a single filter pool?
- DaveM: Refresh related bugs; single filter pool? - DaveM does want to get to it this week: coordinate with DaveD since some issues might come up in the Persistence area
- Martin: Need to bring Releng scripts up to latest for Orbit; Review and release Telnet fixes; 172650 Capabilities; 176461 expand-to-level; 186315 EFS problematic URIs;
- 170910 Integrate Terminalview -- OK to defer past 2.0? Add in 2.0.1?
- Kushal: make it available as experimental download?
- DaveM: make it in two pathes (separate subsystem first, integrate into commandview later)?
- IBM has a very loose terminal integration: select host, "Open Terminal" opens a separate terminal view; that would give us some kind of integration. But for TM Terminal, there are no translations, no clearance etc.
- Decision: Better invest time into 2.0 bugfixes, and adding the Terminal in an early 3.0 milestone.
- Would like to Rename org.eclipse.rse.eclipse.filesystem to org.eclipse.rse.efs -- OK?
- DaveD: Files in there need to be retargeted - should not be a big problem
- API: Would like to add some "throws" clauses to ISystemRegistry and others to ensure that nobody expects it to show messages (necessary when it is to go into non-UI in the future) -- OK?
- Kushal: Better make API change now rather than later
- EFS: Copy(), Move(); minimal plugin activations; UI/Non-UI
- 170910 Integrate Terminalview -- OK to defer past 2.0? Add in 2.0.1?
- Kushal: Single "Encoding" control on the Host (for all subsystems); will be removing encoding control on the Shells property page
- Bugzilla: Severity Major, hi-priority
Vacation, Away
- DaveD travelling this week, but that shouldn't affect anything
- Monday May 28 - Pentecost Monday in Austria (Martin OOO), Memorial Day in US (public holiday, but DaveD probably working)
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- DaveD: Translation Testcases; Persistence Provider without IResource; Get started on ICU4J with bug 183631
- DaveM: Refresh Bugs
- Kushal: BIDI bugs and Encodings
- Martin: Testing Stats; Refresh improvements; Integrating Terminal with RSE
- Javier:
- Michael: