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* Eclipse 3.2 Debug Platform | * Eclipse 3.2 Debug Platform | ||
** Demos / feedback session on prototyping – IBM, Wind River, QNX/CDT, others? | ** Demos / feedback session on prototyping – IBM, Wind River, QNX/CDT, others? | ||
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*** Pawel Piech - Wind River | *** Pawel Piech - Wind River | ||
**** Implemented directly against platform | **** Implemented directly against platform | ||
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***** Need public interface to get at standard images for label providers | ***** Need public interface to get at standard images for label providers | ||
***** Column support in views is incomplete at this point | ***** Column support in views is incomplete at this point | ||
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*** Alan Boxall | *** Alan Boxall | ||
**** Implemented directly against platform | **** Implemented directly against platform | ||
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**** Number of jobs is somewhat alarming. (See performance discussions below.) | **** Number of jobs is somewhat alarming. (See performance discussions below.) | ||
**** Plan to do some prototyping against flexible hierarchy after 3.2 is released. | **** Plan to do some prototyping against flexible hierarchy after 3.2 is released. | ||
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*** Mikhail Khodjaiants, QNX | *** Mikhail Khodjaiants, QNX | ||
**** (presentation) | **** (presentation) | ||
**** CDT has requests to provide customized versions of variables and registers view. Probably will happen after CDT 3.2. | **** CDT has requests to provide customized versions of variables and registers view. Probably will happen after CDT 3.2. | ||
**** Using compatibility mode right now for flexibile hierarchy (for 3.1). Still need more investigation for how to expose customization. | **** Using compatibility mode right now for flexibile hierarchy (for 3.1). Still need more investigation for how to expose customization. | ||
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**** TI: | **** TI: | ||
***** We need flexible hierarchy exposed at CDI layer. | ***** We need flexible hierarchy exposed at CDI layer. | ||
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***** They would like to see CDT define a more embedded-centric user experience without major changes to CDI. | ***** They would like to see CDT define a more embedded-centric user experience without major changes to CDI. | ||
***** Some view customizations. | ***** Some view customizations. | ||
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**** Freescale: | **** Freescale: | ||
***** Multi-core flexibility is important. | ***** Multi-core flexibility is important. | ||
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**** Nokia: | **** Nokia: | ||
***** Similar comments to TI. | ***** Similar comments to TI. | ||
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*** ATI | *** ATI | ||
**** Builds against Eclipse platform, but haven't had a chance to look at 3.2 yet. | **** Builds against Eclipse platform, but haven't had a chance to look at 3.2 yet. | ||
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*** AMI | *** AMI | ||
**** Builds against Eclipse platform. | **** Builds against Eclipse platform. | ||
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**** Haven't prototyped against 3.2 EDM yet, but they can benefit from simplified hiearchy. Update policies are also critically important because of very slow target connections. Will focus on 3.2 after April. | **** Haven't prototyped against 3.2 EDM yet, but they can benefit from simplified hiearchy. Update policies are also critically important because of very slow target connections. Will focus on 3.2 after April. | ||
**** Continually re-evaluate CDT. Could potentially use parts of CDT. | **** Continually re-evaluate CDT. Could potentially use parts of CDT. | ||
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*** PalmSource | *** PalmSource | ||
**** Have a released product on 3.0 with a customized CDT. | **** Have a released product on 3.0 with a customized CDT. | ||
**** Working on a 3.1-based product with un-modified CDT. Trying to use GDB. | **** Working on a 3.1-based product with un-modified CDT. Trying to use GDB. | ||
**** Also like view customization. | **** Also like view customization. | ||
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* TI: Demo of view customizations in E 3.1 | * TI: Demo of view customizations in E 3.1 | ||
− | + | ** Variables and registers view are in table tree format (using tree control) | |
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* Performance discussion | * Performance discussion | ||
*** IBM will come to EclipseCon that shows performance across multiple versions | *** IBM will come to EclipseCon that shows performance across multiple versions | ||
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*** Will have some suggestions for performance improvements | *** Will have some suggestions for performance improvements | ||
*** Action items: each company should run its own performance numbers | *** Action items: each company should run its own performance numbers | ||
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* Update Policy | * Update Policy | ||
** Progress Update – Samantha (IBM) | ** Progress Update – Samantha (IBM) | ||
*** (presentation) | *** (presentation) | ||
− | *** | + | *** Implementation is in the model and is model-specific. |
− | ** | + | *** Still work to do before we have a generic implementation. |
+ | *** Update policy will have to be part of viewer, and model proxy will have to be part of the model. | ||
+ | ** Need to form a workgroup to address the issues in Samantha's presentation. | ||
+ | ** What's in 3.2 | ||
+ | *** You can create model Proxies that tell how and when debug events are handled | ||
+ | *** Not there: a generic update policy | ||
* Memory View | * Memory View | ||
+ | !!!!! | ||
+ | ** Progress Update – Darin W (IBM) | ||
+ | !!!!! | ||
* Using the editor with multiple debugging backends | * Using the editor with multiple debugging backends |
Revision as of 14:21, 22 February 2006
Agenda & Attendee List
Presentations
Minutes
- Eclipse 3.2 Debug Platform
- Demos / feedback session on prototyping – IBM, Wind River, QNX/CDT, others?
- Pawel Piech - Wind River
- Implemented directly against platform
- (presentation)
- The current state of the flexible hierachy aligns well with WR's debugger implementation.
- Main issues at this point:
- Need retargetable actions
- Need public interface to get at standard images for label providers
- Column support in views is incomplete at this point
- Alan Boxall
- Implemented directly against platform
- Moving from 3.0 to 3.1 - the biggest challenge was to get the multi-threaded UI to talk to their synchronous debug engine.
- They queue up all asynchronous requests. They use a lot of caching.
- They are using the compatibility mode right now.
- Taking advantage of 3.2 EDM in the future: eventually, IBM's debug engines will drive the hieararchy.
- Number of jobs is somewhat alarming. (See performance discussions below.)
- Plan to do some prototyping against flexible hierarchy after 3.2 is released.
- Mikhail Khodjaiants, QNX
- (presentation)
- CDT has requests to provide customized versions of variables and registers view. Probably will happen after CDT 3.2.
- Using compatibility mode right now for flexibile hierarchy (for 3.1). Still need more investigation for how to expose customization.
- TI:
- We need flexible hierarchy exposed at CDI layer.
- We use disassmebly view. Need a disassembly memory renderer.
- Summary, they need flexibility at top and bottom.
- They would like to see CDT define a more embedded-centric user experience without major changes to CDI.
- Some view customizations.
- Freescale:
- Multi-core flexibility is important.
- Nokia:
- Similar comments to TI.
- ATI
- Builds against Eclipse platform, but haven't had a chance to look at 3.2 yet.
- AMI
- Builds against Eclipse platform.
- Migrated an old VB debugger. Looked at CDT and did some prototyping, but decided it would be too much work.
- They are lacking some features using the platform directly, but also believe they have less problems. One big issue was using GDB with their architecture.
- First product: Oct 05 and based on 3.1.
- Biggest issue is trying to use the memory view with their architecture.
- Haven't prototyped against 3.2 EDM yet, but they can benefit from simplified hiearchy. Update policies are also critically important because of very slow target connections. Will focus on 3.2 after April.
- Continually re-evaluate CDT. Could potentially use parts of CDT.
- PalmSource
- Have a released product on 3.0 with a customized CDT.
- Working on a 3.1-based product with un-modified CDT. Trying to use GDB.
- Also like view customization.
- Pawel Piech - Wind River
- Demos / feedback session on prototyping – IBM, Wind River, QNX/CDT, others?
- TI: Demo of view customizations in E 3.1
- Variables and registers view are in table tree format (using tree control)
- Performance discussion
- IBM will come to EclipseCon that shows performance across multiple versions
- Concerns about the large numbers of working threads spawned
- Will have some suggestions for performance improvements
- Action items: each company should run its own performance numbers
- Update Policy
- Progress Update – Samantha (IBM)
- (presentation)
- Implementation is in the model and is model-specific.
- Still work to do before we have a generic implementation.
- Update policy will have to be part of viewer, and model proxy will have to be part of the model.
- Need to form a workgroup to address the issues in Samantha's presentation.
- What's in 3.2
- You can create model Proxies that tell how and when debug events are handled
- Not there: a generic update policy
- Progress Update – Samantha (IBM)
- Memory View
!!!!!
- Progress Update – Darin W (IBM)
!!!!!
- Using the editor with multiple debugging backends
- API versioning - adding new interfaces on top of old ones vs. deprecating. When are interfaces collapsed together
- Changes beyond 3.2
- Contributions and Participation Discussion
- Update/Demo on Memory Rendering and suggestions for API changes – Ted W (Wind River)
- How can we get better participation to help Darin out on the debugger interfaces and views?
- Feedback cycle schedule on platform - when do we start reviewing Eclipse 3.2+
- Where do we want to go next? Volunteers for implementation?
- New breakpoint features?
- More memory rendering?
- Multi-core
- Sample debugger implementation from Wind River?
- Discussion of requirements/use cases for flexible hierarchy in CDT. Does it make sense for CDT to expose any of this or stay with a fixed hierarchy?
- Debug console
- Committer List
- Miscellaneous
- Eclipse 3.2 launching framework feedback
- Brainstorming session on view customization
- Clone and pin