DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 3-May-2006

Meeting Title:	Conference Call on Target Management
Date & Time:	Wednesday May 3, 2006 at 9am PST
Primary International Dial-in:	+44 (0)1452 567588
USA Freephone Dial-In:	+1 (866) 6161738
UK National Dial-In:	08712460713
Passcode:	0587322148 #

Attendees

• Martin Oberhuber, Brian Netteleton - Wind River
• David Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Dave McKnight - IBM
• Ewa Matejska, Palm Source
• Javier Montalvo and Neil Taylor, Symbian
• NNN - Montavista
• Doug Schaefer - QNX
• Aaron Spear, Mentor Graphics
• Mark Bozeman,
• Peter Lachner, Intel
• Kirk Beitz, Freescale
• Greg Watson, LANL (PTP lead)
• Tianchao Li - Technische Universitaet Muenchen (work with LANL on PTP)

The call is open for everyone else to attend.

Meeting Notes

Update on RSE Status (Dave D)

• • M1 delivered 18-Apr-2006. Tested and reasonably stable, but some features had to be dropped (see the release notes).
  • Will need some replanning for M2 and beyond
    • M2 to include planned M1 features plus probably a few more
    • user actions and import/export to be delayed to M3, community is OK with that.
    • Might need another milestone before achieving release status
• Next steps on RSE: Most wanted by the community
  • DaveD: do a daily driver schedule, i.e. 2-3 automated builds each week
  • Ewa: need ssh service integrated to CVS
    • MartinO: have an updated ssh service including file transfer via sftp, expect on bugzilla the next days
  • Greg: Need client on MacOS and probably Power Linux. Probably make MacOS a reference platform? Could contribute resources for build and testing.
    • DaveD to send instructions for automated builds on the mailing list.
  • Ewa: Workflow for adding a Service to be made simpler.
    • Good ISV docs are available but outdated, DaveD wants to add them to M3
    • Add Daytime and SSH examples, Dave McKnight to review if they can be made simpler (does the API really require a ConnectorServiceManager? Which classes are the absolute minimum for a Service?)
  • Put contributions from Bugzilla into CVS soon (ssh, daytime, cdtremote), in order to make sure they take part in refactorings
    • Provide CVS Project Set files (*.psf) to make it easier for developers to pick up newly added projects
  • Update site is not an immediate issue, this is more for users but currently it's more developers working on RSE. Want to do an update site but probably after M2.
  • Lower the bar: overview and getting-started on website (MartinO)

How to communicate (MartinO)

• Do more in Bugzilla!
  • RSE bugreports and enhancement requests
  • API Review is an important task for M2 and beyond. File Bugzilla entries for discussions on APIs
  • Technology sub-groups to track their discussions in Bugzilla instead of the mailing list
    • Easier to find, associate and get started for newcomers
    • Wiki pages for technology sub-groups will hold links to Bugzilla discussions
    • Send an E-Mail to dsdp-tm-dev when a new Bugzilla Entry is created for a discussion. MartinO, or other committers, to update the Wiki with links to Bugzilla entries.
    • MartinO to find out if Wiki notifications can be configured to go to the tm-dev list

Eclipse Release Review Requirements (MartinO)

• We're currently in Incubation phase. In order to be able to make a 1.0 release, we'll have to go through a release review. Before we pass the release review, we can only do 0.x releases.
• Release Reviews are not an easy thing, Eclipse Foundation puts the bar pretty high
• The actual Review typically takes place around the time a first release candidate is built
• Start addressing issues required by Release Review early, in order to avoid a big bang late in the game:
  • Work on Eclipse Quality APIs
    • Tool and API usability (for users and for programmers)
    • Non-code aspects e.g. documentation
    • IP Logs
  • Grow the community

Update on Autodetect (Javier)

• looked at Zeroconf (used by Apple for Plug&Play)
  • plugins for discovery through Zeroconf in ECF
  • Community seems to accept that Zeroconf is the right thing - also implemented in very small devices
• Javier to capture mailinglist discussions in a Bugzilla entry
• MartinO: Zeroconf is good, but make sure that APIs can also be implemented by an alternative service that does not necessarily use a protocol on the wire (e.g. discover services by looking at JTAG config files, kernel images)
• Aaron: Legacy devices connected via Serial
  • Javier: Proxy server attached to Legacy device
  • Might want to connect to JTAG etc

PTP Needs / Collaboration (Greg W)

• Remote Services aspect is very important to PTP
• Remote Launch capabilities
• Remote Build
• Looked into Eclipse Filesystem (EFS)
• Looked at EFS implementation in RSE; looks like RSE is duplicating a lot from the Platform; currently working more towards the platform
• Want to work closely with TM and CDT communities
• Dave McKnight to work with PTP community on EFS
  • Should start discussion on EFS vs. RSE
• PTP monthly telecon next week

Other Technology Sub-Groups

• Connectors: Peter L been busy lately, will start on Connectors in 1 week
• Shared Board Labs: Interest by Windriver, Freescale, Mentor; probably no deliverables till M1, but start planning / design in time (we should make plans for next year just before 1.0 is released)

Action Items still open from last meetings

• Symbian:
  • Write up interface description for "Service" as understood by Symbian
• MartinO:
  • Start EMO process for Jakarta Commons

New Action Items

• DaveD:
  • Send instructions for automated builds (on MacOS / LinuxPPC) to GregW
• Dave McKnight:
  • Review daytime & ssh code and look for possible simplifications for adding a service
  • Start feature discussion RSE vs. Platform / EFS with PTP people (bugzilla or mailinglist; a feature document should eventually be available from the website)
• MartinO:
  • Update Project Plan, Website
  • Deliver ssh service enhancements
  • Check Wiki notifications
• Javier:
  • Capture autodetect on bugzilla
• Everyone:
  • RSE usage and API reviews --> Bugzilla

Next Meeting

• Keep the schedule (1st wednesday of the month)
• Next DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006 (wednesday, 5 weeks)