TPTP-PMC-20080326

oliver paul alexA chris Bing(forJoanna), alexN, Mikhail

any crises for current iteration?

Joanna has noted some items to slip from iteration

• some probably all the way out of 4.5
• for discussion at AG call

AG call to focus on technical issues

• would like to get harm to come as well
• Oliver should attend as well
  • Monday, wednesday, Fridays open

PMC to cover non-technical discussion topics

Other topics for I6?

Paul having problems running some tests with Equinox P2
Any new news?

• AlexN not able to run automated tests there either
  • Need to copy as-is component over into agent controller area
• Is anyone else having problems with IAC?

Anything else to talk about for I6?

Discussions at F2F

• Seems that trace and profile have some extra back and forth between INTC and IBM.
• Want to unify much of profiling under AlexA
• Have had discussions w/ Mikhail
  • Need to talk thru it with Joanna
  • Need to also discuss IBM resourcing on profiler bits

Question whether Paul might want to take over the primarily test portions of platform

• more or less how things are
• except for a few models and such.

Question to AlexN - are any efficiency changes needed?

• AlexN does not think so but... Some of log and trace are part of platform and he reports status to Joanna.

Joel had action item to report to PMC about EPP test -- push to next week.

• Bing to make sure he shows up

Post 4.5 resourcing discussion

• Wants to start getting commit for flat or up on resource from participants
• there were a number of people using/consuming bits from EclipseCon
  • Only one commercial product.

Two options:

• quiesce
• lay out plan for a few key use cases and push to be around those
  • then go to IBM and community for support of those things

Oliver has concerns when he sees things being pushed out

• That it sets us up for a problem with not meeting expectations

Possible ways to move forward

• execute with community
• Intel probably okay with a community based solution
• IBM will probably need to be convinced investment in non-commercial-offering is important.
  • And clarifying exactly what the partial resources will be doing
  • Get permission to move HC around.

AlexN: From 4.5 experiences .. committing part time resources is quite hard to extract value.

• Oliver will be looking into this more
• Realistically getting rid of all PT is unlikely but hope to get rid of 10% folks.
  • Underscore some needs to make changes.

Oliver willing to take on discussion w/ IBM about ramping down some bits IBM cares about in the interest of ramping up on a few key areas.

• If PMC believes it would work and be desirable

SAP memory profiler

• IBM should have interest in getting heap analaysis for Java
  • IBM could in theory save money on their free memory profiler stuff if this succeeds

Erikson Trace stuff

• Not sure what the tie in to IBM interest is yet but it may be

AMD profiler could have some tie in as well.

Will discuss next week

• Do we want a concrete timeline here
  • Should not delay too long
  • Everyone go forth and discuss items. Bring ideas back on 2nd
  • Final discussion on 9th.
  • Send out in mid April

June presentation to board

• will depend on our decision of April 9th
• Wants to use fact that he will go to board on June 18th in order to try to press IBM to commit sooner rather than later.
  • Presentation to board would include ideas about how project will work moving forward
• If on other hand it is a quiesce decision
  • Can threaten to go to board with this material

Summarize in AG call next week all deferrals from all projects.

• Harm is committed to make his decision/opinion quickly for these items.

Schedule reviews around AG.

AlexA will be out for 2 PMC calls -- vacation