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== Previous meeting minutes ==
 
== Previous meeting minutes ==
 
 
* Review [[Planning_Council| previous meeting minutes]] if you'd like. That is, review them before the meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.  
 
* Review [[Planning_Council| previous meeting minutes]] if you'd like. That is, review them before the meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.  
  
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* Oxygen 3.a for Java 10 support status
 
* Oxygen 3.a for Java 10 support status
 
* Post Photon SimRel status : Please before the call '''read and comment''' the proposed [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVA59E5bxv1l1W1ZTSZMUUH7IKIO-mRLEGn1bVO-dFs/edit?usp=sharing FAQ]
 
* Post Photon SimRel status : Please before the call '''read and comment''' the proposed [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVA59E5bxv1l1W1ZTSZMUUH7IKIO-mRLEGn1bVO-dFs/edit?usp=sharing FAQ]
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== Attendance ==
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Aleksandar Kurtakov (Tools Project), Ed Merks (Eclipse Modeling Project), Frederic Gurr (Eclipse Foundation), Martin Lippert (Eclipse Cloud Development), Mickael Barbero (Eclipse Foundation), Mélanie Bats (Obeo), Nick Boldt (Red Hat), Thomas Watson (IBM), Wayne Beaton (Eclipse Foundation)
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Regrets : Dani Megert (Eclipse Project), Sam Davis (Mylyn)
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== Notes ==
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=== Photon & Oxygen status ===
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Everything is okay.
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Oxygen.3 RC4 EPP Package for tomorrow, should be the Oxygen.3 released on March 21st
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Oxygen.3a for April 11, Java 10 support seems to be ready.
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=== Post Photon SimRel status ===
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The planning council has decided on the mailing list that the cadence will be 13 weeks starting from the June 25 2018.
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After the review of the [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVA59E5bxv1l1W1ZTSZMUUH7IKIO-mRLEGn1bVO-dFs/edit?usp=sharing FAQ], some points were discussed during the call :
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==== Tracking ====
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Wayne asked how we would track people that would be in or out? It is difficult to track the activity on the projects, as some projects being mature are very stable and are still participating to the release train. The idea was to just declare once that a project is in and then we would never ask again until there is nor more activity. This does not seem to be feasible. It was discussed also to rely on the aggregation files to see whose in, but there are some projects that could be part of the SimRel but who do not contribute to the P2 repositories (example of Orion & Che). This discussion will be continued on the mailing list.
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==== Milestones vs Checkpoints ====
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Fred detailed on the mailing list that the new cadence will generate fewer tests as it will reduce the number of EPP packages build. He proposed to replace the checkpoint 2 C2 by a milestone to increase the number of tests as during last year we had many different respins. In the end it was proposed to just have miletones no more checkpoint, and clarify that a milestone just means that we are building EPP package and wait for feedback from the community to test it. There will be no respin for miletsone we will rebuild EPP just for the next milestone. So in the end the proposed planning for the cycle would be :
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* M1 Friday Week 3 : Milestone 1 - all the projects are expected to contribute their latest working version for a 1st alignment, http://download.eclipse.org/staging is built,  EPP packages are released for tests
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* M2 Friday Week 6: Milestone 2 - all the projects are expected to contribute their latest working version for a 2nd alignment, API breakages are in, http://download.eclipse.org/staging/xxx is built, EPP packages are released for tests
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* M3 Friday Week 9 : Milestone 3 - all the projects are expected to contribute their latest working version for a 3rd alignment,  http://download.eclipse.org/staging is built, EPP packages are released for tests
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* RC1 Friday Week 10 : API & Feature freeze http://download.eclipse.org/staging/xxx is built, EPP packages are released for tests
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* RC2 Friday Week 11 : Only fixes  it is assumed all code is done by the end of RC2, http://download.eclipse.org/staging is built, EPP packages are released for tests.
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* GA Wednesday Week 13 : http://download.eclipse.org/releases/xxx is released and EPP packages, http://download.eclipse.org/releases/latest is updated to point to the new release.
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See the [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BZywK-gKbK-fmcEkxv550OHmw01xEN07RK9LMPSE40g/edit?usp=sharing  proposed schedule] updated for the next 3 years and the update [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVA59E5bxv1l1W1ZTSZMUUH7IKIO-mRLEGn1bVO-dFs/edit?usp=sharing FAQ draft].
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==== Naming ====
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Mélanie proposed on the mailing list the name following the pattern year.month: Eclipse YYYY.MM.
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This does not seem to fit what the Eclipse Foundation expect, we should avoid confusion with the Eclipse brand by adding a qualifier between Eclipse and the year month pattern: Eclipse XXX YYYY.MM
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Many different propositions were done :
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* Eclipse Simultaneous Release
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* Eclipse SimRel
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* Eclipse Simrel
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* Eclipse Train
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* Eclipse Q... and continue to change every year in june as we do today
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* Eclipse in Concert
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* Eclipse Collective
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* Eclipse United
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As it seems quite difficult to get a clear decision on that point, Mélanie will open a bugzilla to let every one participate and contribute.
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Ed will broad this topic to the Board as Eclipse branding is also discussed there.
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Mélanie will announce this week our intention to switch to a rolling release after Photon this week on cross-project.

Revision as of 05:19, 8 March 2018

Logistics

Meeting Title: Planning Council Conference Call
Date & Time: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, at 1200 Noon Eastern
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Members

Planning Council Chair: Melanie Bats

Eclipse Foundation

  • Wayne Beaton
  • Frederic Gurr
  • Mikael Barbero

Strategic Members

  • CA Technologies
  • CEA LIST
  • Ericsson AB (Marc-Andre Laperle)
  • IBM (Thomas Watson)
  • itemis AG (Alexander Nyssen)
  • Obeo (Melanie Bats)
  • Oracle (Neil Hauge)
  • Red Hat, Inc. (Nick Boldt)
  • Robert Bosch GmbH
  • SAP SE (Stephan Merker)

PMC Representatives

  • Business Intelligence and Reporting Tools (BIRT) PMC (Gary Xue)
  • Data Tools Platform PMC (Brian Payton)
  • Eclipse Cloud Development PMC (Martin Lippert)
  • Eclipse Project PMC (Dani Megert)
  • IoT
  • LocationTech Technology
  • Eclipse Modeling Project PMC (Ed Merks)
  • Mylyn (Application Lifecycle Tools) PMC (Sam Davis)
  • PolarSys
  • Eclipse Runtime Project (RT) PMC
  • Eclipse Science
  • Service Oriented Architecture PMC (Adrian Mos)
  • Technology PMC (Chris Aniszczyk)
  • Tools Project PMC (Aleksandar Kurtakov)
  • Eclipse Web Tools Platform Project (WTP) PMC (Carl Anderson)

Previous meeting minutes

  • Review previous meeting minutes if you'd like. That is, review them before the meeting, but if questions or issues with previous minutes, this would be a good time to bring them up.

Agenda

  • Photon & Oxygen status
  • Oxygen 3.a for Java 10 support status
  • Post Photon SimRel status : Please before the call read and comment the proposed FAQ

Attendance

Aleksandar Kurtakov (Tools Project), Ed Merks (Eclipse Modeling Project), Frederic Gurr (Eclipse Foundation), Martin Lippert (Eclipse Cloud Development), Mickael Barbero (Eclipse Foundation), Mélanie Bats (Obeo), Nick Boldt (Red Hat), Thomas Watson (IBM), Wayne Beaton (Eclipse Foundation)

Regrets : Dani Megert (Eclipse Project), Sam Davis (Mylyn)

Notes

Photon & Oxygen status

Everything is okay. Oxygen.3 RC4 EPP Package for tomorrow, should be the Oxygen.3 released on March 21st Oxygen.3a for April 11, Java 10 support seems to be ready.

Post Photon SimRel status

The planning council has decided on the mailing list that the cadence will be 13 weeks starting from the June 25 2018.

After the review of the FAQ, some points were discussed during the call :

Tracking

Wayne asked how we would track people that would be in or out? It is difficult to track the activity on the projects, as some projects being mature are very stable and are still participating to the release train. The idea was to just declare once that a project is in and then we would never ask again until there is nor more activity. This does not seem to be feasible. It was discussed also to rely on the aggregation files to see whose in, but there are some projects that could be part of the SimRel but who do not contribute to the P2 repositories (example of Orion & Che). This discussion will be continued on the mailing list.

Milestones vs Checkpoints

Fred detailed on the mailing list that the new cadence will generate fewer tests as it will reduce the number of EPP packages build. He proposed to replace the checkpoint 2 C2 by a milestone to increase the number of tests as during last year we had many different respins. In the end it was proposed to just have miletones no more checkpoint, and clarify that a milestone just means that we are building EPP package and wait for feedback from the community to test it. There will be no respin for miletsone we will rebuild EPP just for the next milestone. So in the end the proposed planning for the cycle would be :

See the proposed schedule updated for the next 3 years and the update FAQ draft.

Naming

Mélanie proposed on the mailing list the name following the pattern year.month: Eclipse YYYY.MM. This does not seem to fit what the Eclipse Foundation expect, we should avoid confusion with the Eclipse brand by adding a qualifier between Eclipse and the year month pattern: Eclipse XXX YYYY.MM Many different propositions were done :

  • Eclipse Simultaneous Release
  • Eclipse SimRel
  • Eclipse Simrel
  • Eclipse Train
  • Eclipse Q... and continue to change every year in june as we do today
  • Eclipse in Concert
  • Eclipse Collective
  • Eclipse United

As it seems quite difficult to get a clear decision on that point, Mélanie will open a bugzilla to let every one participate and contribute. Ed will broad this topic to the Board as Eclipse branding is also discussed there.

Mélanie will announce this week our intention to switch to a rolling release after Photon this week on cross-project.

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