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Planning Council/June 03 2015

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Meeting Title: Planning Council Conference Call
Date & Time: Wednesday, June 3, 2015, at 1200 Noon Eastern
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Members and Attendees

PMC (and Strategic) Reps
John Arthorne (occasional) Cloud (PMC) R
Chris Aniszczyk Technology (PMC)
Dani Megert Eclipse (PMC) Y
Steffen Pingel (Sam Davis) Mylyn (ALM) PMC
Brian Payton Datatools (PMC)
Doug Schaefer Tools (PMC) Y
Adrian Mos (Marc Dutoo ) SOA (PMC)
Ed Merks Modeling (PMC)
Ian Bull Rt (PMC) Y
Chuck Bridgham WTP (PMC) Y
Wayne Beaton Eclipse Foundation (appointed)
David Williams (appointed Chair) Y
Strategic Reps
Max Andersen? (and Nick Boldt) Redhat (Strategic Developer) Y
Remi Schnekenburger CEA List (Strategic Developer) Y
Cedric Brun OBEO (Strategic Developer)
Neil Hauge Oracle (Strategic Developer)
Stephan Merker SAP AG (Strategic Developer) R
Markus Knauer Innoopract (Strategic Developer) Y
Rajeev Dayal Google (Strategic Developer)
(PMC rep) Actuate (Strategic Developer) X
(PMC rep) IBM (Strategic Developer) X
[no name] CA Inc. (Strategic Consumer) X
[no name] Birt (PMC) X

Note: "Inactive" refers to Strategic Members or PMCs we have not heard from for a while, and have been unable to convince to participate. Those members can become active again at any time. Contact David Williams if questions.

Note: feel free to correct any errors/omissions in above attendance record.
Y = Yes, attended
N = No, did not
R = regrets sent ahead of time
D = delegated
X = not expected


  • Welcome ...

Previous meeting minutes

Mars Planning

  • Any issues?
  • What happened to "WindowBuilder"?

Progress on Action Items

  • Improving user experience in finding right function to install. For latest ideas, see
bug 459905 - Create a Marketplace for the simultaneous release.
"The action that [Wayne thinks] we should take is to shut down the Eclipse Project market and close this bug as WONTFIX."
  • Continuing Discussion of if and how to change "yearly release"?
  • I have started a "design" wiki page, to act as a "design document", to help centralize the main points we have discussed.
  • Notes from the last meeting:
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  • Seemed to be rough agreement that to "release more frequently" would be good ... for projects and perception.
  • Was discussion that "6 per year" too many ... "2 per year" not enough. So settled on "4 per year" as a working assumption.
  • Did not really discuss WHEN they would be (which months), but (I think) general agreement they should be regular, and predictable.
  • Did not really discuss what to call them. We want to convey they are true releases, but, releases with no subsequent service release.
  • "SR" name especially bad for perception, since it is not really just "service releases" any more.
  • But, even if we had 4 releases per year, some might put in "just service", some might put in new features, so adds some complexity on what and how to communicate (with each other, and community).
  • We would always (still) need "two streams" going ... one for "next immediate release", ... another stream for "long term work". (Or, may vary by project?)
  • We did NOT discuss how to manage that ... would "long term work" be merged into "release" stream at certain points?
  • We would (still) want something like a yearly "LTS Release".
  • We did say it would take at least 2 months for us to have a concrete proposal.
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New Business

* ?

Next Meeting

  • August 5, 2015 - Regular First Wednesday Meeting -- We traditionally skip July, since a) just released b) Holidays and vacations.


2013 EclipseCon face-to-face follow-through action items. For original meeting notes, see Planning_Council/March_24_2013 and for discussion leading to action items, see Planning_Council/April_10_2013. For last status update, see Planning_Council/May_8_2013.
Mars Wiki page
Planning Council Members
Simultaneous Release Roles and Simultaneous Release Roles/EMO

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