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Phone Numbers:  
 
Phone Numbers:  
* Ottawa (local call in Ottawa) 1-613-288-9131
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* Ottawa (local call in Ottawa) 1-613-454-1403
* North America (toll free) 1-877-253-0615
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* North America (toll free) 1-877-369-7806
* Germany (local call anywhere in Germany) 49-692-2224-6059
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* Germany (local call anywhere in Germany) +49-692-2224-6059
* France (local call anywhere in France) 33-17-070-8535
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* France (local call anywhere in France) +33-17-070-8535
 
* UK (toll free) 0800-033-7806
 
* UK (toll free) 0800-033-7806
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* Switzerland (local call anywhere in Switzerland) +41-44-580-2115
  
 
::Participant conference extension: 710 then enter pin  35498
 
::Participant conference extension: 710 then enter pin  35498
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| John Arthorne
 
| John Arthorne
 
| Eclipse (PMC)  
 
| Eclipse (PMC)  
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| D to David Williams
 
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| Mik Kersten
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| Steffen Pingel
 
| Mylyn (ALM) PMC  
 
| Mylyn (ALM) PMC  
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| Y
 
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| Brian Payton  
 
| Brian Payton  
 
| Datatools (PMC)  
 
| Datatools (PMC)  
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| Y
 
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| Doug Schaefer
 
| Doug Schaefer
 
| Tools (PMC)  
 
| Tools (PMC)  
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| Adrian Mos  
 
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| Rt (PMC)  
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| Y
 
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| David Williams  
 
| David Williams  
 
| WTP (PMC) (appointed Chair)  
 
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| Gary Xue  
 
| Gary Xue  
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| Wayne Beaton  
 
| Wayne Beaton  
 
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| Cedric Brun  
 
| Cedric Brun  
 
| OBEO (Strategic Developer)  
 
| OBEO (Strategic Developer)  
 
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| Stefan Daume
 
| Cloudsmith Inc.(Strategic Developer)
 
 
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|   
 
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| Neil Hauge  
 
| Neil Hauge  
 
| Oracle (Strategic Developer)  
 
| Oracle (Strategic Developer)  
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| Y
 
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| Kaloyan Raev  
 
| Kaloyan Raev  
 
| SAP AG (Strategic Developer)  
 
| SAP AG (Strategic Developer)  
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| Igor Fedorenko
 
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| Markus Knauer  
 
| Innoopract (Strategic Developer)  
 
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| Christian Kurzke
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| Motorola (Strategic Developer)
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| Achim Loerke  
 
| Achim Loerke  
 
| BREDEX (Strategic Developer)  
 
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| <del>D to Markus Tiede</del>
 
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== Announcements  ==
 
== Announcements  ==
  
* ?
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* Welcome Ian Bull as new Rt PMC representative
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* Welcome Steffen Pingel as new Mylyn PMC representative (maybe not official yet?)
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* Change in [http://www.eclipse.org/membership/showMembersWithTag.php?TagID=strategic strategic membership] and hence PC representatives:
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::Motorola and Cloudsmith no longer strategic members.
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::Talend new member.
  
 
== Juno SR1 ==
 
== Juno SR1 ==
  
* ?
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* SR1 dates have already been set, agreed to, and are coming right up! See [[Juno/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#Service_Releases]]
  
* any thoughts on "non greedy" publishers? (Where did we go wrong?! :)  More seriously, Jetty and ECF have made recent changes to be "non-greedy" which I think is good but '''might''' cause some churn. dw to send out note to cross-project list this afternoon.
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:: Comments, questions, concerns?
  
* On the topic of "non participating project dependencies"
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:: ''None''
:: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg02027.html
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:: We have discussed and decided this recently: See [[Planning_Council/March_07_2012#What_to_do_about_Papyrus_.28and_non_released_XWT_dependency.29]] and {{bug|370974}}. The conclusion was:
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<cite>
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== Kepler ==
A project can not be in the Sim. Release, or Released at all, if they include
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things that are unreleased from other projects (and this is true of any
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release, not just Sim. Release).
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A project can include releases from other Eclipse projects, even if that other
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We will focus on requirements changes (if any) in subsequent meetings ... but for now, is there agreements on my proposed dates? They are very similar pattern as previous years: [[Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#Schedule]]
project is itself not part of the Simultaneous Release. This still requires the
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"other project's release" meets all the requirements for Release and Sim.
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Release ... signed jars, about.html file, etc. This is conceptually just like
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including a third party package from Orbit ... the original authors do not
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"participate" in the Release, but the bundles meet all the release
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requirements.
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</cite>
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''dw to send note clarifying policy. For future reference: here is the FAQ about our policies: See [[SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_FAQ#Policy_FAQs]]''
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''Agreement with the dates''
  
== Kepler ==
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== Start annual debrief ==  
  
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* [[Planning_Council/Juno_retrospective]]
  
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: Feel free to add things to the page before the meeting, if that would facilitate discussion.
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: ''Some good points raised. We will re-visit in September.''
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: Be sure to read last years: [[Planning_Council/Indigo_retrospective]]
  
 
== Other Business ==
 
== Other Business ==
  
?
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* Comments on migrating aggregation files to Git? See {{bug|359240}}.
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''Wayne officially approved using "org.eclipse.simrel" as package names, even though "simrel" is not an Eclipse Project, in the normal sense.''
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''No issues with transitioning this coming week.''
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* ''It was asked if "b3 aggregator" would be replaced by something in CBI.''
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: ''Answer was "no, no plans at this time". Tycho itself produces a simple repo but does not do any other "repo validation and publishing" like b3 aggregator does.''
  
 
== Next Meeting  ==
 
== Next Meeting  ==

Latest revision as of 13:35, 1 August 2012

Contents

[edit] Logistics

Meeting Title: Planning Council Conference Call
Date & Time: Wednesday, August 01, 2012, at 1200 Eastern
Dial in: NOTE CHANGE: First meeting to use Asterisk service:

Phone Numbers:

  • Ottawa (local call in Ottawa) 1-613-454-1403
  • North America (toll free) 1-877-369-7806
  • Germany (local call anywhere in Germany) +49-692-2224-6059
  • France (local call anywhere in France) +33-17-070-8535
  • UK (toll free) 0800-033-7806
  • Switzerland (local call anywhere in Switzerland) +41-44-580-2115
Participant conference extension: 710 then enter pin 35498
  • SIP clients:
call 710@asterisk.eclipse.org, then enter pin 35498.

[edit] Members and Attendees

PMC (and Strategic) Reps
Chris Aniszczyk Technology (PMC)
John Arthorne Eclipse (PMC) D to David Williams
Steffen Pingel Mylyn (ALM) PMC Y
Brian Payton Datatools (PMC) Y
Doug Schaefer Tools (PMC) Y
Adrian Mos SOA (PMC)
Ed Merks Modeling (PMC)
Ian Bull (Plus Jesse, transition) Rt (PMC) Y
David Williams WTP (PMC) (appointed Chair) Y
Gary Xue Birt (PMC)
Wayne Beaton Eclipse Foundation (appointed) Y
Strategic Reps
Cedric Brun OBEO (Strategic Developer)
Neil Hauge Oracle (Strategic Developer) Y
Kaloyan Raev SAP AG (Strategic Developer) Y
Igor Fedorenko Sonatype (Strategic Developer)
Markus Knauer Innoopract (Strategic Developer) R
Achim Loerke BREDEX (Strategic Developer) D to Markus Tiede
(PMC rep) Actuate (Strategic Developer) X
(PMC rep) IBM (Strategic Developer) X
Inactive
[no name] CA Inc. (Strategic Consumer) X

Note: "Inactive" refers to Strategic Members or PMCs we have not heard from for a while, and have been unable to convince to participate. Those members can become active again at any time. Contact David Williams if questions.

Note: feel free to correct any errors/omissions in above attendance record.
Y = Yes, attended
N = No, did not
R = regrets sent ahead of time
D = delegated
X = not expected

[edit] Announcements

  • Welcome Ian Bull as new Rt PMC representative
  • Welcome Steffen Pingel as new Mylyn PMC representative (maybe not official yet?)
  • Change in strategic membership and hence PC representatives:
Motorola and Cloudsmith no longer strategic members.
Talend new member.

[edit] Juno SR1

Comments, questions, concerns?
None

[edit] Kepler

We will focus on requirements changes (if any) in subsequent meetings ... but for now, is there agreements on my proposed dates? They are very similar pattern as previous years: Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#Schedule

Agreement with the dates

[edit] Start annual debrief

Feel free to add things to the page before the meeting, if that would facilitate discussion.
Some good points raised. We will re-visit in September.
Be sure to read last years: Planning_Council/Indigo_retrospective

[edit] Other Business

  • Comments on migrating aggregation files to Git? See bug 359240.

Wayne officially approved using "org.eclipse.simrel" as package names, even though "simrel" is not an Eclipse Project, in the normal sense.

No issues with transitioning this coming week.

  • It was asked if "b3 aggregator" would be replaced by something in CBI.
Answer was "no, no plans at this time". Tycho itself produces a simple repo but does not do any other "repo validation and publishing" like b3 aggregator does.

[edit] Next Meeting

  • September 5, 2012 (our regular "first Wednesday" meeting, at Noon Eastern).
Conclude (if needed) our yearly "debrief" on what went well, what could be better.
Plan for Kepler

[edit] Reference

Kepler Wiki page
Juno Wiki page
Planning Council/Indigo retrospective
Planning Council Members
Simultaneous Release Roles and Simultaneous Release Roles/EMO