Logistics
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Planning Council Conference Call
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| Date & Time:
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Wednesday, April 2, 2014, at 1200 Noon Eastern
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| Dial in:
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(See Asterisk service for complete details on SIP, potential new numbers, phone mute commands, etc.)
Phone Numbers: (Check Asterisk/Numbers for more or current phone numbers.)
- For all phone lines: Participant conference extension: 710 then enter pin 35498
- Ottawa (local call in Ottawa) 1-613-454-1403
- North America (toll free) 1-866-569-4992
- Germany (local call anywhere in Germany) +49-692-2224-6059
- France (local call anywhere in France) +33-17-070-8535
- UK (toll free) 0800-033-7806
- Switzerland (local call anywhere in Switzerland) +41-44-580-2115
- call 710@asterisk.eclipse.org, then enter pin 35498.
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Members and Attendees
PMC (and Strategic) Reps
| Chris Aniszczyk
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Technology (PMC)
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| Dani Megert
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Eclipse (PMC)
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| Steffen Pingel
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Mylyn (ALM) PMC
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| Brian Payton
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Datatools (PMC)
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| Doug Schaefer
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Tools (PMC)
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| Adrian Mos (Marc Dutoo )
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SOA (PMC)
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| Ed Merks
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Modeling (PMC)
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| Ian Bull
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Rt (PMC)
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| Chuck Bridgham
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WTP (PMC)
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| Gary Xue
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Birt (PMC)
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| Wayne Beaton
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Eclipse Foundation (appointed)
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| David Williams
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(appointed Chair)
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Strategic Reps
| Cedric Brun
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OBEO (Strategic Developer)
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| Neil Hauge
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Oracle (Strategic Developer)
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| Stephan Merker
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SAP AG (Strategic Developer)
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| Markus Knauer
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Innoopract (Strategic Developer)
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| Markus Tiede
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BREDEX (Strategic Developer)
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| Rajeev Dayal
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Google (Strategic Developer)
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| (PMC rep)
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Actuate (Strategic Developer)
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X
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IBM (Strategic Developer)
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X
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Inactive
| [no name]
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CA Inc. (Strategic Consumer)
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X
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Note: "Inactive" refers to Strategic Members or PMCs we have not heard from for a while, and have been unable to convince to participate. Those members can become active again at any time. Contact David Williams if questions.
Note: feel free to correct any errors/omissions in above attendance record.
Y = Yes, attended
N = No, did not
R = regrets sent ahead of time
D = delegated
X = not expected
Announcements
Previous meeting minutes
- Let's discuss EclipseCon meeting and hear "trip reports" at end of meeting, if time allows.
- EclipseCon face-to-face
- Previous "first Wednesday" meeting
Kepler SR2
- There is one known, mysterious p2-update issue (discovered after 'release'): bug 427148
- Sounds like no progress?
Kepler Plus
- Discuss/Decide Plan (if any) for "post Kepler patches" for Java 8 support.
- I'm assuming everyone has been reading the thread on cross-project list titled: Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
- For overall view, see https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists//cross-project-issues-dev/threads.html
- I think this is the initial, quiet posting: https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists//cross-project-issues-dev/msg10388.html
- And for some reason, heats up from there.
- Thanks to Mike and Eclipse Foundation for the steps they are taking to raise awareness.
- [retrospective] Overall, I feel I'm responsible for not putting on agenda months ago (but, I know we are all responsible for failure to plan) ... but it appears that Java 8 support caught some people by surprise -- and perhaps we should have thought to coordinate better?
- How big is the problem? Who besides Platform (JDT/PDE) has "Java 8" support to patch into Kepler?
- See bug 431427 - Who has "Java 8 Patch" for Kepler SR2?
- Faceted Projects, from WTP
- m2e (has already declined to participate, I believe).
- ObjectTeam?
- AspectJ?
- Anyone else?
- What should "we" do (as being responsible for "overall Release Plans")?
- Alternatives I've heard mentioned:
- Do nothing, and projects can provide patch features from their own repositories, if they'd like.
- Kepler SR3, update sim rel repository, respin packages (gather community testing and feedback, and package maintainers testing).
- Some sort of new "R" release? that was apparently discussed at Arch. meeting at EclispeCon?
- In addition to EF's "summary pages", have a common repository that would contain all patches related to Java 8.
- Note: I've seen where Wayne has already created "Market Place" items for the two known cases.
- Is this equivalent to this "common patch" repo? (I think it is, mostly)?
- This would, presumably, hold patches for "new function" for Java 8, as well as anyone who had to fix something to enable running on Java 8 -- but not "fixes in general" (those should still come from project's own repositories).
- Would be "long lived" in the sense we would not delete it when Luna came out, but (I'd propose) would not have any further maintenance done on those patches (i.e., no attempt to make Kepler equal Luna support for Java 8). More of a sneak peek. Care is needed here not to give the wrong impression this was "Complete Java 8 support backported" to Kepler.
- This could be implemented as a snapshot: with "copies" of the patch repositories ... composting subdirectories, and remaining unchanged.
- Or could be implemented floating: a composite repo pointing to the original patch repositories, so small tweaks or blocking defects fixed (eventually) and thus would be "in" the "Common Java 8 Patch Repository" automatically.
- Konstantin has proposed to "do all the work" to create new packages with patched features, if he had "a commitment to publish these packages at a reasonable location in eclipse.org main downloads area".
- Are there "third party" providers that make these sort of "Kepler Plus" packages? Such as EclispeSource via Yoxos? (And, I'm not asking for any confidential information!).
Be prepared for a roll-call vote! Not only "yea or nay" but, also if your projects (with PMC's blessing) had something for this repo, or if the strategic member you represent has any view point to share with the Planning Council.
[As always, the decision is not made by "majority rules" (the decision is made by "status quo, if no consensus") ... but I do want to be sure to hear, equally, from everyone, with specifics.]
Luna Planning
- Question/awareness of "Mac packaging". See bug 431116. My view it is too late to do for Luna -- anyone feel like it's so important we drop other things to do this? I assume could not be done in an "SR" (but, maybe?) ... which would mean "another year". Is there a reason to never do it? (i.e. doesn't fit someone's "use cases" or workflow?) Would that mean we need "two forms" of packaging available to satisfy everyone?
Progress on Action Items
- Improved "aggregator examples/doc". (dw -- no progress).
- [Orbit plan (dw -- no formal progress)]
New Business
Next Meeting
- May 7, 2014 - Regular First Wednesday Meeting
Reference
- 2013 EclipseCon face-to-face follow-through action items. For original meeting notes, see Planning_Council/March_24_2013 and for discussion leading to action items, see Planning_Council/April_10_2013. For last status update, see Planning_Council/May_8_2013.
- Luna Wiki page
- Kepler Wiki page
- Planning Council/Kepler retrospective
- Planning Council Members
- Simultaneous Release Roles and Simultaneous Release Roles/EMO
