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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
  
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'''May 7, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, John, Martin
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
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* Martin {{bug|241957}} - GTK clipboard hang
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** Alex: GTK guys recommended using the async API, but no time for more investigation
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** McQ: Switching a sync API to async implementation underneath can be extremely messy (need to be aware of all possible events and event sources...)
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** McQ: If there is an idea canceling the clipboard wait ... given that the issue occurs only rarely, even a hacky solution is better than nothing
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* Dani: Plan updates
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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'''April 30, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, McQ
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* McQ: '''WB4 perspective customization''' - has it caused any issues ?
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather  
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** Martin: Dealing with detached views works differently (dragging a window fails - must drag the tab inside the window)
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.  
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** Dani: Saved perspectives / windows are lost on an existing workspace when moving from 3.x to 4.x
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*** Martin/McQ: When crossing the major version boundary, it is OK to lose state - it's not nice but acceptable
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** Dani: The bigger problem is, that the whole "Perspective customization" dialog is still not working as expected
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*** Martin: Agree with the concern, but the Perspective customization dialog wasn't ever great
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*** McQ: If invest work here, rather make it good than bring back the previous status quo
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*** Martin: Most customization done via plugin.xml / Java , don't expect end users to do a lot of customization themselves
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* Dani: '''M7 status'''
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** Defect triage under control - some items deferred to 4.5
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
  
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'''April 23, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, John, Alex, Martin
 
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* Alex - GTK2 or GTK3 as default - GTK3 it is
 
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** GTK2 - more stable on old systems but no usable browser due to
 
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*** xulrunner - latest version not supported by swt and latest distros don't even ship standalone xulrunner
 
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*** webkitgtk - gtk2 version in maintenance mode, upstream consider dropping, really crashy See [https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-gtk/2014-March/001821.html]
 
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** GTK3 still has some drawing issues (fighting them one by one, but functionally everything is there)
 
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** McQ: If neither state is really good, need to choose the option that's moving forward (switch to GTK3)
 
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* Dani - '''Freeze Plan created'''
 
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* John - '''Hackathon in London proposed by Ian Skerret'''
 
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''April 16, 2014''' - Dani, Alex
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* no topics today
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
  
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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'''April 9, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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* Dani - '''Kepler SR2 and Java 8'''
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** Well received so far
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** Planning Council: Can build and host the patches, but messaging must be clear as "SR2 with the patches applied". Still polishing words of the download pages.
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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** Not added to aggregate repo ... one-time package without any updates
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Feature patch available on Marketplace (for manual update) - for those starting from scratch they can now get "Kepler + Patch"
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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** Not convinced that the extra downloads were necessary (early adopters already had the patch, new adopters can also get Luna) ... but current approach won't hurt.
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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* ECF relation
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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* John - '''Hard to review all incoming Platform/UI Contributions'''
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= Archive =
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** Dani tried to jump in on some issues like Icons
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** Doubt that some of the work will really help bringing committers on board (such as the for loop conversion)
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** Some of the initial contributors of very simple things have now grown into contributing real interesting things
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** Getting more people involved in initial reviews (currently some 10 active committers, 4-5 fullday ones) - but mainly Eric and Paul review patches
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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'''April 2, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, John, Martin
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* Dani - new GTK3+ issues
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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** crash/hang when SWT AWT bridge is used, also affects JavaFX ({{bug|431330}})
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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** problems with main menu ({{bug|419830}})
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* Dani - '''Submitting the IP Log for the Java 8 Work'''
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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** Currently not qualified as a "release", only submitting the IP log.
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* Dani - need to '''approve API changes for Java 8 in M7'''
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** No API changes, only additions
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** Used / tested by JDT Core / JDT UI
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** ObjectTeams (Stephan Herrmann) was involved
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** There were no objections i.e. changes were approved
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* John - '''SWT over JavaFX'''
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** EclipseCon: Steve Northover thought it was possible, just a lot of work
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** Decide after Luna whether hosting in SWT or doing as a separate project
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** Relationship to Tom Schindl's [http://www.eclipse.org/efxclipse/index.html e(fx)clipse project] ?
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*** e(fx)clipse is more about tooling, not so much about rendering ...
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*** Tom seems to have an alpha version, but not actively working on it
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*** Seem to need some additional API in SWT - patch sits in Gerrit with nobody putting any attention at the moment. Details in {{bug|426243}}
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*** Having this API in place would make the JavaFX port simpler
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**** It look good but Alex has no idea whether it's the best idea and how acceptable on all platforms
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**** John: May make sense in the next release, API can't be a near-term thing ... needs some backers who can invest significant time in it
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*** Doug Schaefer is also pushing for JavaFX
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'''March 26, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* John - '''EclipseCon Update'''
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** Slightly smaller than in the past, but VERY of positive attitude, LOT of excitement around Java 8 ... Oracle turned on the servers during one of the morning sessions
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** IoT / M2M - lots of demos on Raspberry Pi, many new projects
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** Very good content around Orion and Javascript, but a small crowd
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** Great opening keynote from Mike Milinkovich on the history and future of Eclipse - mentioned Flux
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** See also Blog Posts from [http://cdtdoug.ca/ Doug Schaefer] and [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/author/irbull/ Ian Bull] as well as [https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/top-5-ian-bull top 5 from Ian]
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* John - '''ARM port of GTK''' - any tracking items ?
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** Bug exists for Launchers on ARM64 ; several other items too
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** IBM PPC Little Endian port of SWT
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** Test on less used architectures like Solaris? - similar to the Windows 8 case...
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** Donating RHEL subscriptions to the Foundation was not accepted - John: Bug is open for having Hudson slaves run on other architectures
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*** Example: {{bug|430698}}, {{bug|429237}}, {{bug|415757}}; {{bug|419855}} talks about running virtualbox images on a vserver
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*** Denis is investigating some way running Hudson / HIPP instances on other hardware ... GTK3, Windows etc tests need other hardware
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*** Check for cost of hardware, companies to donate it, and people to maintain it (Security patches!)
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**** Alex could imagine RH signing up for some maintenance ... test machines could be entirely outside Eclipse.org infrastructure, isolated as their own sandbox
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**** Hudson needs access though, thus need to be careful about security
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* Alex - '''Java 8 vs Java 7''' currently can't build an Eclipse SDK when the build machine has only one of the JDK's
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** In the past, it was possible to build with only Java 7 ... now, if I have Java 8 I cannot build (need Java 7 too)
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** ==> Update on March 27 by Dani: this is {{bug|390889}} and we'll try to fix it for M7.
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'''March 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ
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* McQ - '''Congrats on Java 8 Release''' to coincide with the Oracle release
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* Dani - '''Windows 8 Support''' - any answer to John's E-Mail ?
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** McQ struggles with calling it a supported platform when nobody tests it; all we need to make sure is that somebody uses it
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** Send note to Wayne, the epp-dev list and cross-project
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** Make it clear that running on Win8 is a useful contribution ... and we WON't put Win8 on supported platforms list if we don't get that confirmation
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'''March 12, 2014''' - Alex, Martin, McQ, John
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* GTK - SWT team discussions
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* John - '''preparing for Java 8 release'''
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'''March 5, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Dani: '''How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit''' - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
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* Dani: '''Windows 8 Support'''
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** Not listed in official plan
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** No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
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** Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
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** Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
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** AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
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*** Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
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* Dani: '''State of GTK 3+'''
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** Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
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** Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
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** Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
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** Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
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** On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
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** Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
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* Alex: '''GTK 3 in Mars'''
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** Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
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** RHEL 5 would no longer work
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** Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI
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'''February 26, 2014''' - Alex, John, Martin, McQ
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* John: '''Orion Release''' this week
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* Alex: '''Eclipse on ARM64'''
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** Launcher and swt at first
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** Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
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** John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
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*** Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
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*** At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
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** Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants
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* Dani: Update on '''GTK 3+ issue''' - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
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** Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
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** McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
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*** If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
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*** Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it
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'''February 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, John
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* Dani: '''Silenio to work on GTK issue?'''
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* John: '''GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation'''
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* John: '''e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools'''
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** Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
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** Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
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** Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
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** John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
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** Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
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** Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE
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'''February 5, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Dani: '''Confcall Numbers:''' Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
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* Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
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* Alex: Testing on modern Linux
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'''January 22, 2014''' - John, Dani, Alex, Martin
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* John, Alex: '''New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora'''
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** Alex been looking at Browser
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** Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
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** Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
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*** Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
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*** Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
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* Dani: '''M5 Status'''
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** Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier
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'''January 15, 2014''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin
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* Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
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* Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion
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'''January 8, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ
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* Dani: '''API Freeze''' with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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