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= Documents =
 
= Documents =
 
 
Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
'''October 2, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani
 
* no discussion topics
 
  
<hr/>
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'''April 16, 2019''' - Lars, Dani, Tom, McQ
'''September 25, 2013''' - McQ, Andrew, Martin, John
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* M1 has shipped -- Lots of good stuff, see the N&N
* Andrew: '''Commercial Support Thread''' - Directory of consultants to effect change when needed
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* Plan has been posted
** Foundation to employ developers to "do whatever is best for the Platform" : Who decides on features, and where does the funding come from ?
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** Attempt to simplify the creation process, still WIP
** There is precedent of Foundations employing developers... but don't think that "developers for hire" model could work
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* Started working on identifying inactive committers
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** Inactive == haven't committed anything for 2 years
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* Looking at ways to ensure we have enough testing of new Java features
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** Main projects should run on widest ranges of versions, so can't just raise BREE there
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** Could add new test projects, and allow tests to be written with new constructs
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'''April 9, 2019''' - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ
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* Dani
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** Lots of regressions Dani investigating
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*** cycle from tests (fixed)
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*** UI elements gone missing (fixed)
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** Get rid of the new index from JDT
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*** Needs lots of polish to get rid of bugs, but never showed performance improvements.
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*** Decided to disable the option to use it (code remains).  Open to others to help maintain.
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** Created initial 2019-06 (4.12) plan
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*** Still need individual plan bugs from leads (cough Equinox).
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** Created initial release record for 2019-06 (4.12)
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** Made a call for plan items for 2019-06 (4.12)
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** M1 this week
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*** Looks good so far.
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* Tom
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** Investigating parallel activation of bundles {{bug|540507}}
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* Alex
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** M1 fixes for SWT
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*** Fixes for other things in M1 some small regression in custom Linux environment.
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** M1 jsch update needed
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** Tom to Open bug for Apache Felix SCR update post M1
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** SWT issue
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*** SVG image support for Linux-only to start.  Need support for other platforms.
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*** Windows has a number of patches pending. (mostly cleanup patches?)
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*** Try to get more people on board for Windows support help.
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*** Ask for help on the platform list.  We have combined the projects and have more devs available to work on SWT if they are willing to help.
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*** For cleanup you need specific SWT knowledge.
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**** two types of cleanup - use quick fix from Eclipse - and real refactoring.
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** If we are to advance SWT development then we cannot continue with a single committer on a platform.  Need to promote the recruitment of new SWT committers.
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'''April 2, 2019''' - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom
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* Planning for this release has started
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** Sub-projects need to have first cut of plan ready by a week from Friday
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* Also a week from Friday is our M1
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* Based on community feedback we will keep the update site for adding Java 11 support to the 2018-09 (4.9) release, the Marketplace entry remains removed
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'''March 26, 2019''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom
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* Dani
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** Inactive committer cleanup progress.
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*** It is now harder.  Portal has been deactivated and the functionality to get inactive committers is gone.
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*** Looking to use some script originated by Lars for list of contributors.
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***  What is the timeline to be considered inactive again?  Ans. A year of inactivity will trigger the question.
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* Alex
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** Confirms that the new indexer has no value to Red Hat (see also March 5 and {{bug|544898}})
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** {{bug|545032}} Implement native ImageLoader (Linux only)
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*** Allows additional formats not previously supported to work with the native Linux implementation of SWT
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*** What kind of error message will be available on other platforms?
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*** Need to confirm the API doc is updated to indicate what formats are supported on what platforms. (Alex will take care of that in the javadoc)
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*** Has there been investigation into what later Java versions provide for image loading?
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**** No, could be done as part of investigating support on other platforms.
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*** Need to have an umbrella bug for the new functionality with additional children defects for the platforms that don't support the new formats. (Alex to open that)
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'''March 19, 2019''' - McQ, Lars, Dani
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* Dani
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** 4.11 on track - repositories and download page ready for tomorrow
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** Java 12 GA expected today
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** Will merge Java 12 work to master tomorrow or on Thursday
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** Will provide a Marketplace entry for Java 12 support for 4.11
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'''March 12, 2019''' - ???
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* Missing
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'''March 5, 2019''' - Tom, Alex, Dani
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* Dani
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** I will be away starting Friday and next week. No laptop ==> watch out for any 4.11 related issues
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** Tom, please update the status on the Equinox 4.11 plan
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** Tom: {{bug|544370}}: NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/sshd/server/auth/AsyncAuthException from SshServ
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** {{bug|544833}}: Inactive committer cleanup for Platform for the 4.12 release
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*** Might be much more work since committer info from old portal is not available in the new PMI
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** Get rid of new indexer. Alex, not sure who from Red Hat mentioned it at EclipseCon Europe but there seemed to be interest to further work on this.
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*** Alex: Roland looked at it and could not see any benefit
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*** Current thinking: drop it, but Alex will double-check and report back in two weeks
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'''February 26, 2019''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars, Dani
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* Dani
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** Issues with Mac signing
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*** McQ: we should ask the Foundation whether they can't set up a watchdog
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**** Dani: filed ({{bug|544915}})
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** Issues with JAR signing
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** Release on track
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** Prune inactive committers
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*** AGREED to do this like we did last year for Platform ({{bug|530200}})
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*** Lars for Platform. Tom for Equinox and Dani for JDT and PDE
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* Lars: move active committers to the list of contributors in the Acknowledgments
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** AGREED
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'''February 19, 2019''' - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars
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* Lars: API removal announcement on cross project
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** AGREED: To send one mail per release for RC1 announcing all removals to reduce noise on the mailing list
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** In case of more important removal it can be announced individually.
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** Dani to open bugs for releases so it's handled properly.
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* Lars: Provisional API guidelines changes
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** Current approach with internal/provisional package names until API is stable is an issue because:
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*** It creates more work for maintainers to rename packages.
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*** It creates more work for adopters to change references once API is stable.
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** AGREED: Use the intended package name but mark it as x-internal until API is final. Lars will update the document.
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* Dani: End game plan posted
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'''February 12, 2019''' - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars
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* Dani:
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** M3 next week.
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** Must start to work on IP log, release review and Endgame plan.
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* Alex: What's the future of ECF (not much happening there)? How feasible is it to replace ECF and HttpClient with new Java HTTP Client from Java 11?
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** Interesting to know, but unfortunately no resources to investigate this at the moment.
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* PMC decision regarding HttpClient for 2019-03: will ship what we have (4.5.5).
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'''February 5, 2019''' - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars
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* Dani:
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** I-build contributed to 2019-03 M2, no complaints so far
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** Over 200 bugs for M3 with 2 weeks left, need to be looked at and target adjusted
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* Alex:
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** JIPPs are subject to update to new infra in the next few months. Releng JIPP is a matter of separate treatment.
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** As soon as most JIPPs (not Eclipse TLP only) are moved to new infra SWT will move to GTK 3.22 as a min version.
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** Sep 2019 release is the earliest possible for SWT GTK min version bump.
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* Tom:
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** equinox.framework and bundles git repositories merge
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** APPROVED if history is preserved
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** Alex: new name of repo should be eclipse.equinox.* not rt.equinox
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** After merge Alex takes renaming rest of equinox repos with webmaster
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* Lars: Fosdem
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** IDE and Free Tools room
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** Netbeans and IntelliJ talks and interest
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'''January 29, 2019''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars
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* Alex: Java 11, should we move the build to Java 11?
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** Agreed to move the Tycho snapshots for testing and move back to Tycho stable after M3
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* Dani: This week is M2, we will contribute the Wednesday I-Build with some sanity checks
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* Dani: Having problems with the asynchronous JDT UI initialization {{bug|543935}}
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'''January 22, 2019''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani
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* Alex:Felix SCR update
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** Tom: Orbit update to make felix.scr bundle imports non-optional
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** Missing compile warning in the first build - not clear why it happened
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* Tom: Equinox tests move from runtime git repo
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** Needed because tests are not run on gerrit and not findable for contributors
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** Alex: how easy it is to find which one are for equinox and which should stay in runtime repo
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** Tom: to open bug with details
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'''January 15, 2019''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars, Dani
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* Dani
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** We shipped 4.11 M1 last Friday - no issue so far
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** Created release record for 4.11 (mandatory to be there by 4.11 M1)
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* Lars: {{bug|543218}} was a severe regression in M1
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* Tom
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** Chatter about update configurator {{bug|542706}}
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** Alex: update configurator still there but not hooked into Equinox/p2/PDE anymore
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** Alex and Lars to update the bug report
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'''January 8, 2019''' - Dani, ?
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* We had a meeting, no notes were taken
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'''December 18, 2018''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani
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* Talked about potential release train delay due to JAXB - nothing we have to worry about
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* Next call on January 8
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'''December 11, 2018''' - Tom, Lars, Dani
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* Dani: 4.10 looks good, work for 4.11 is open for development
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* Dani: Will add Bugzilla milestones
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* Tom: Will update Equinox to Java 8 soon will need to support Java 8 for quite some time in the future
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'''December 4, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars, Dani
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* Dani away on Thursday and Friday.
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** Please keep an eye on RC2.
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** Please watch the release review ({{bug|541666}}).
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* Dani: 4.10 on good track but investigating last minute {{bug|542090}}.
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* {{Bug|541689}}: What needs to be done to add OpenJDK on Windows as a reference platform?
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** We will add this for now, but for 4.11 we will query the community which runtimes are actually used and/or tested.
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** Alex: We need to specify from where the OpenJDK runtime comes from.
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* Tom: When do we push 4.10 to Maven central?
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** Dani: ask on Releng list.
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* Alex: Help Center issue. What's the state?
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** Tom will investigate this a bit more this week. Probably no fix for RC2.
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'''November 27, 2018''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, Tom
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* Mailing lists
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** Discussion on merging various mailing lists {{bug|541508}}
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** Merge all platform-x lists into one (platform-dev?) list, except the current platform-releng-dev will remain separate.
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** merge all jdt lists into one list (jdt-dev?) list.
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** Considered merging the equinox-dev and p2-dev into one list (equinox-dev?), will leave separate for now because the two groups still seem to have distinct topics to discuss (even if the traffic is relatively low).
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** What is the target usage of the lists?  For the user community to ask questions or for the developers to have discussions around development of Eclipse?  At this point the traffic is low and the PMC does not see a need to discourage usage by the user community to ask questions.
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** Before merging we need a way to have responses sent to messages sent to the old archived mailing lists which directs them to the new list.
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* Rules for freeze/endgame
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** Consider allowing the gerrit reviews to act as the way to record approval by a member of the PMC and/or project lead instead of requiring that to be flagged in the bugzilla. If the gerrit review was done by someone other than a member of the PMC or project lead then there still needs to be some record in the bugzilla that the required approval of the PMC or project lead was done.
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'''November 20, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ
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* Dani reminded the team to update plans so we can do release review
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* Dani working on IP review
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* M3 this week; then API/feature freeze next week; then one more week and we’re done
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* JDT Code Mining went in today; test!; disabled by default
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* Demonstrated proof of concept, empty shell running on GTK4 alpha
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* {{bug|541307}} needs to be investigated; could be a blocker for PDE or Equinox
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* Seems to be general consensus that code clean-up is more important than maintaining git blame usefulness
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** Ref: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg03568.html
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'''November 13, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ
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* Plan update 4.10 plan update 1 from Dani
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** As Foundation still provides only SLES 12 we might still have to list it
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** SWT team tests on SLES15
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** Details: {{bug|541074}}
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* Train name update from Dani: We can keep "our" Eclipse IDE name, foundation dropped the idea of adding an additional identifier to the "Eclipse IDE" brand.
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* jsch - Dani checked if preferences are used and could not find any usage, Dani did not yet contact Thomas as JGit did not make any progress in the area. Alex did update Equinox.
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* Cherry-pick as strategy in Gerrit
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** {{bug|541021}}
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** Dani does not like the idea and voted against it
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** Alex: Linux tools and CDT are using Cherry-pick
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-> Everyone agrees that the build infrastructure is getting worse and that we should find ways to speed up the build, Dani will follow-up with the foundation on that
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'''October 30, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
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* Dani: Update on release train name
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** Foundation accepts "Eclipse IDE" as long as the scope is clear
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** Foundation can use another name when the Eclipse IDE is shown along with other IDEs, e.g. Che. Possible name could be "Eclipse Classic IDE"
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* Increase major segment when deleting deprecated API
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** Discussed last year on [https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse/PMC/Minutes_2017 October 10, 2017] but did not make an official decision
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** Disruption would be huge
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** Today we decided unanimously that in general we will NOT increase the major version when removing deprecated API
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*** There might be cases/bundles where we might be more aggressive
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'''October 23, 2018''' - No meeting due to EclipseCon Europe
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'''October 16, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ
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* We all agreed that at this point, the right thing regarding renaming the project is to do nothing.
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* Delivered 2018-12 (4.10) M1 on Friday. No feedback on that so far. Train to deliver this Friday.
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* Dani gave an update on the work for the EDP.
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* Alex together with Mickael will make sure that the Unconference session at EclipseCon will be split into interest groups after initial discussion.
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'''October 9, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Tom, Dani, McQ
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* 4.10 plan and release record published
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* 4.10 M1 looks good, low number of bugs
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* Project naming - pushback in planning council and there will be no change until Eclipse Foundation provides the document describing the rules names should comply with
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* Performance tests
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** Lars: jdt.core performance tests not running
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** Dani: performance tests running (mostly) since Photon, most work done by Sravan
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** Dani: results look sane but need to be checked thoroughly for some time to ensure all the infra runs proper
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** Alex: SWT perf tests for 4.9 properly shown improvement in startup initialization
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'''September 18, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom, McQ
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* Release looks ok, respin was required
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* EPL 2.0 conversion was done for the Eclipse SDK but not for the e4 sub projects
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** Lars: e4 repository have not been converted
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** Dani: JDT, Equinox, PDE and Equinox have been converted so the Eclipse SDK has been converted
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** Lars plans to convert the e4 spies
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** Dani will inform Wayne/ Webmaster about the EPL 2.0 migration of the Eclipse SDK
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* Alex suggests deleting the long dead e4 repository like e4 JDT (no commits for 5 years, they should be archived) -> Alex to announce on e4 mailing list
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* Lars reports that SAP might get more involved, he delivered a workshop for them and they have very skilled developers which hopefully will contribute to the platform.
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* Dani: JDT will create a common plan for its components under https://wiki.eclipse.org/JDT/Plan/4.10, similar to platform.
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'''September 11, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
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* Dani: 4.9 Review is done and passed
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** Release is looking good for final phase
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** RC2 is done - no planned changes left for 4.9
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** Moving on for 4.10
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* Alex: 4.9 is in good shape now
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** Had last minute issues that almost made us miss RC2 date.  Felix SCR change in qualifier caused meta-data to be regenerated because of an upgrade in Tycho.  Tycho now published generic OSGi capabilities.  This lead to cases where Felix SCR would get included without equinox.ds.  That lead to issues with activating Felix SCR.
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** Tycho is fixed now to handle starting of Felix SCR, worked around issue for 4.9
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** For 4.10 dropped 32-bit and gtk2 now
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* Tom: org.eclipse.equinox.ds to be removed.  Decided to keep equinox.ds in the repository as part of the Equinox SDK feature, but it will not be shipped as part of the Eclipse SDK features.
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** Need to make sure other areas can handle equinox.ds missing (e.g PDE)
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* Dani: Informs us if the team attending Eclipse Day and EclipseCon events.
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* Via email: Pinging robot for bugs will be activated for all subcomponents of the Eclipse top level project, as it is currently not possible to activate the robot for only a sub-component.
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'''September 04, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom
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* CQ in JDT was approved to create code duplication. Lars asked what caused that.
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** Delay in JDT review, biggest blocker is still not in JDT
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** Large change, agreed with Dani to get review priority review in 4.10 from the JDT team
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* Alex/Tom - 4.9 RC2 status
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** Looks good, no know bugs
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* Lars: Activate autoclose for Platform bugs?
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** Lars argues that platform and e4 has too many old bugs so people are not looking at them
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** McQ is against autoclose
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** Agreed by al to enable "Pinging the user if this problem still exists" for selected components (Platform/UI) and see how much feedback we get.
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** Email send to McQ, Tom and Alex if we could also add e4 to that pinging list -> all agreed to enable it also for e4 bugs
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'''August 28, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
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* Reminder - RC1 this week, RC2 next week
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* Dani on vacation starting this Friday
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* Dani will submit the release review and IP log before going on vacation (Wayne approved this)
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** Alex will handle all things that come up with that
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* EPL 2.0
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** Lars: almost done - few pending patches
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** Alex: boring work - hopefully EPL 3.0 only on 10 years
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'''August 21, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
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* Reminder - M3 this week RC1 next week
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* Milestone discussion
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** M2 and M3 are too close together.
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** Delivering M1 and M3 instead provides better space for the development team.
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** M1 will be short, but still should give us 1 month time to deliver. 
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** For 4.10 we will try delivering M1 and M3 milestones.
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* Dani will look at submitting the release review and IP log early since he will be out during the week they are due.
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** Alex will cover if that cannot be done
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* EDP update - Arch council is making changes ... should ease some things. 
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** For example, decoupling the project review from a project release.  Project releases still will require IPLogs
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* Lots of bugs still open against 4.9.
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** Team needs to adjust milestones accordingly before 4.9 is done
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* Java 11
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** Work almost done to support Java 11.
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** Initial support will be delivered in Marketplace only (no 4.9a planned).
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** First official release with Java 11 support will be 4.10
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'''August 14, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
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* Changing our test framework to use JUnit 5 always ({{bug|531057}})
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** In progress: suites are running, but some tests are aborting
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** Reports should be fine in next build
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* Release review and IP log will be coming soon
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** M3 next week, then one week for RC1 and one week for RC2
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** A lot of bugs in the backlog that need to have their milestone re-assigned
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* Once we get a few releases under our belt using the new process, we should do a retrospective looking at burn rates, quality, etc.
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** The good news is we no longer have to maintain two streams and back port changes.
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* Support for J9 shared classes merged into Equinox
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** Will not update launcher to specify them for this release
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** Need to provide doc on how users can specify the options themselves (via eclipse.ini)
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* McQ away for two weeks
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'''August 7, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani
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* Dani: outstanding plan topics:
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** Target platforms should use SLES 15 (instead of 12)
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*** Dani to talk to SWT team about this
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** Remove RHEL 7.4 (current is 7.5)
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*** all agree to this
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* McQ to send note about Windows 32-bit EOL
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* Alex: ASM breakage in master — issue in Orbit; should be in next iBuild
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* Dani: shipped M2 last week everything went well
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'''July 31, 2018''' - Dani, Tom, Alex
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* Dani: For quality reasons, suggests to have an official M3 (August 24) since after RC1 (August 31) we will only have 1 week left
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** all agree to this
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* Dani: Initial 4.9 plan is ready but no feedback so far
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'''July 10, 2018''' - McQ, Dani, Tom, Alex
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* 32 bit support
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** Harder to find 32 bit JVM
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** Devs are not supposed to work on 32 bit OSes anymore
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** Agreement to drop support for 32 bit but keep sources and build support for some period to give people time to bring it back
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* GTK 2.x support in SWT
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** Planned to be removed for 2018-12 release
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** Needed so GTK 4.x port can be started prior to 4.0 release so SWT needs a taken into account from GTK devs
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** Bugs are not being looked at for some time already and GTK 3 has been the default for years now.
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* 4.9 release
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** M1 is this week
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** Platform will contribute I-build with some basic testing but not the full milestone which is to be done for the only milestone which is to be delivered for M2 of the SimRel
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'''June 12, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars
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* RC4a looks good; hidpi fix is in place
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** no plans for further builds at this point
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'''June 05, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Tom, Dani, Lars
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* Dani:
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** Image limit for help should be increased? -> Not covered in the call
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** Will most likely not be able to join the next call
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* Alex:
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** Support only last LTS version of Linux?
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*** Agreement to drop old LTS versions for 4.9 but not to change the target environment for 4.8
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** Dropping big Endian -> we all agreed to drop it, MQ found the email to cross, so we can remove it
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* Lars:
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** Update to EPL 2.0?
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*** change of about.html is trivial
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*** requires version updates of MANIFEST.MF and pom.xml
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*** Script for source update look good, Lars checked manually lots of files
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*** Coordindate with Jay or Noopur for the JDT UI update
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*** Dani suggested to announce such work via the mailing list so that everyone is aware of the work
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** Only one N&N per release? -> Agreed to have one document per release
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** Do we get a name for Photon+1 -> Dani: Our SDK is called 4.9, splash screen will only be month year, planning counsil still discussing
 +
** Include Tips and Tricks in the SDK -> Not covered in the call
 +
 
 +
 
 +
'''May 29, 2018''' - Alex, Tom, Dani
 +
* Dani:
 +
** Uploaded IP log
 +
** Working on issue with IP log: looks like a CQ is missing for com.google.code.atinject.tck
 +
** Finalized Photon plan
 +
** Sent Release Review material for approval to PMC mailing list
 +
** RC3 looks good so far
 +
 
 +
 
 +
'''May 22, 2018''' - Alex, Tom, McQ, Dani
 +
* EPL 2.0
 +
** Still working with foundation on whether we can gradually move to 2.0
 +
* Will we be supporting updates from release to release in the new 3 month release cycle?
 +
** Yes, unless we explicitly indicate otherwise.
 +
** To simplify this, we should have a "latest" update site
 +
** We need to make this simpler for users, but not get in the way of the EPP, OOMF, etc.
 +
** Alex to write this up in more detail
 +
** Dani reminded us that there had been a previous discussion in the planning council
 +
* Project leads have updated Photon plans
 +
** Dani will be updating the overall plan; PMC to comment on bug 529640
 +
* Dani also working on release review and IP log
 +
** PMC members to approve once it's ready
 +
* As previously discussed our first milestone will be called "M2"
 +
 
  
* Martin: '''ide-dev''' discussion
+
'''May 15, 2018''' - Alex, Tom, McQ, Lars, Dani
** A Platform team tries to come up with features and architecture that they think is valuable...  
+
* GDPR
** but there's not the same drive towards a product / UX that a commercial product has
+
** audit did not report any issues on our project pages
** Because of the nature how we do things, it's harder to get to a polished UX
+
* Opening development for 4.9
 +
** Will branch RC2 and update master with required Releng work
 +
** master will be open after RC3
 +
* EPL 2.0
 +
** No plans to do anything for 4.8
 +
** Lars will look into it
 +
** Ideally we gradually move to 2.0
  
<hr/>
 
'''September 18, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
* Mozilla: Orion vs CodeMirror as Editor - Speed of progressing on Editor features, Community size ?
 
** CodeMirror addons can't be absorbed at Orion (licenses, provenance, etc.)
 
** Can we prove that the Orion editor is better ?
 
** What matters is our amount of commitment to "Development in the Cloud"
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''May 8, 2018''' - Dani, Alex, Tom, McQ
'''September 11, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
+
* GDPR
* John: '''RC4''' navigaton history fix ({{bug|416902}}) - review
+
** Eclipse Project collects no information from the users on the project websites
* McQ: Focusing Ottawa on Orion
+
** The Error Reporting tool, might be impacted
* Martin: '''[[E4/Scripting]]''' progress. Homepage has links onto Requirements, EclipseCon Europe talk and more
+
** Also possibly bugzilla <-- Do we need to delete bugs older than some retention period?
** McQ: Overlap with RAP when JavaScript is being used ?
+
** Impossible to remove emails from all git repos (because of cloning)
* John: Krzystof Daniel of Red Hat for committer / component lead
+
** We need to be sure to respond to requests from the foundation
 +
* Jetty
 +
** 9.4.10 is in latest build, and help system is working
 +
** they made the dependencies that were problematic optional
  
<hr/>
 
'''September 4, 2013''' - No meeting
 
  
'''August 28, 2013''' - Dani, John, Martin
+
'''May 1, 2018''' - cancelled due to public holiday in most Europe
* Dani: '''Stardust adding features to SR1''' - Planning Council exception - no objections
+
* John: '''language tooling on [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/ide-dev/ ide-dev]''' - where to host the work ?
+
** Eclipse project/e4 proposed
+
** Dani: '''What's the goal?''' - make it easier adding new languages, or refactor existing projects ?
+
*** Martin interested in cross-language crossreferencing
+
**** Lua tooling / C bindings, Java/JNI, Python C bindings, TCF, CORBA generated stubs/proxies, ...
+
*** Easier to create tooling for JVM-based languages
+
*** Common support for refactoring
+
*** ...
+
** AC could be involved - makes sense for AC to be involved in a working group
+
*** In the end, it boils down to who steps up writing code
+
* Martin: short update on scripting-dev ... making progress, code has been provided, e4 proposed as a home, no feedback yet
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''August 21, 2013''' - Dani, John, Andrew, Martin
 
* Dani: '''Still need the links to the torrents?''' Can we measure usage of torrents ? "Eclipse SDK" traffic is low these days anyways, would make sense for EPP only if ever
 
* Martin: Some traffic these days on the [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-scripting-dev/ eclipse-scripting-dev] mailing list
 
** John: Some UI would likely be simpler with e4 now ...
 
** e4 would be a possible initial place for the project (incubator), initial basic hooks could even be put into the Platform
 
* Luna M1 went pretty well
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''April 24, 2018''' - Dani, Lars, Alex, Tom
'''August 14, 2013''' - Dani, Andrew
+
* Target environments
* Dani: no changes to release pace for Luna. For details see [[Planning_Council/August_7_2013]]
+
** We will keep Java 8 and 10 and remove java 9 from the list
 +
** remove JVMs as soon as they run out of support from target environments  - AGREED
 +
* javax.annotation
 +
** Version  shipped is quite old, should we update it to newer version
 +
** Update to latest standalone release to be tried
 +
** Alex to try to drive this through
 +
* Notify cross project about removal of ee modules from the JVM
 +
** People don't follow Java 11 work so will probably be surprised when things start to fail so we better try to spread the information
 +
** Dani will send a link to the JEP containing detailed information
 +
* Contribution guidelines
 +
** Do not open bugs for simple changes and cleanups
 +
** Actual bug fixes to be split from cleanups in separate patches so the bug commit is straight on the topic
 +
** Dani will update the wiki
 +
* Cancel May 1st call - public holiday in Europe
  
<hr/>
 
'''August 7, 2013''' - Dani, Andrew, Martin, McQ
 
* Dani - '''Moving to more frequent releases''' to be discussed at the PC today
 
** McQ believes that aggregating monthly releases into a train can't work given the size of the train, so the monthly release wouldn't be useful to anyone
 
** Martin agrees that as a commercial adopter, stability (of the yearly train) is key: new features are interesting in one or two projects but not in the train
 
** Moving faster with the train can't be at the expense of no longer getting backports of bugfixes to those releases that I have chosen to adopt !
 
** McQ: No more SR releases, but only converge the development streams every 4 months ? - Backports could be made but adopters would have to build themselves.
 
* What causes most grief when adopting a new Platform version ?
 
** Notifications have proven most problematic .. on either Resource / project system or XML / EMF models: subtle change of behavior can have a big impact when notifications trigger other notifications
 
*** Can it be fixed with a community effort ? [Not sure, most problems are in layers on top of the platform...]
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''April 17, 2018''' - Dani, Alex, McQ
'''July 31, 2013''' - Dani, John, Andrew, Martin
+
* On Java 11...
* ide-dev list : "Eclipse as an IDE" from a cross project / cross PMC point of view
+
** We are actually shipping the javax annotation support
** Tools + Equinox + Packages ...
+
** Java 11 is working in 4.8, but isn't in 4.7.x
* The "Uber Package..."
+
*** Tom Watson is investigating why it is not working 4.7.x
** Not recommendable. Better to improve Marketplace ... not all Train projects are on the Marketplace.
+
** Dani: As per the downloads page, it looks like the standard package doesn't have marketplace client ? - Martin: might be filtered; might be worth a bug if not visible.
+
*** filed {{bug|414305}}
+
* Looking forward to discussions on ide-dev.
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''July 24, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, John
 
* Brief planning discussion. Kepler SR1 end-game plan released. Luna M1 is August 9th.
 
* We will resume architecture team meetings on August 7th. John to remind team next week.
 
* John will be away Aug 1-16
 
  
'''July 17, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, John, Andrew
+
'''April 10, 2018''' - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex
* Brief discussion of the "code smells" thread on cross-project list
+
* Discussed {{bug|533390}}: Eclipse does not launch with Java 11
* Overall positive discussion and we hope to see good things come out of it
+
  
'''June 26, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
 
* Andrew: '''Orion Browser API Standardization'''
 
* John: '''More process around Kepler Maintenance Stream''' - 1 reviewer, similar to RC1 ?
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''April 3, 2018''' - Tom, Dani, Mcq, Lars
'''June 19, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
+
* 4.7.3a update
* John/Dani: '''Kepler Retrospect'''
+
** Delivered RC2 on Saturday, so we could fix some badness in handling Java 10 "var" support (tl;dr: rename appeared to allow you to affect "var" as if it were a type (but would not have modified the code))
** JDT Versioning: Bundles and features at 3.10 for Luna, Marketing version at 4.4
+
** Currently think we're done
** Freeze Plan: Worked fine for Platform, but others on the Train didn't quite play by the rules
+
* Naming milestones
*** Dani to replace John on the Planning Council (phone meeting once per month)
+
** As previously discussed, we will contribute the most recent I-build to the release train for the 3-week "M1".
* '''Rules of Engagement for Maintenance Releases'''
+
** We will call our first milestone (at the 6-week point) M2 so that it aligns with the release train naming.
** JDT is in the middle of a release cycle, since doing Java 8
+
* {{Bug|411132}} '''Security Advisory''' regarding raw Javadoc - Eclipse help system not vulnerable, suggest improving the docs around "Help" setting to disallow opening external links
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''June 12, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani, Andrew
 
* John: '''EclipseCon France Report''' - 2 day board meeting was good: strategic planning for what the Foundation should focus on
 
* Dani: 4.3 ramp-down looks good ... but other projects on the release train ship significant changes late ?!?
 
* Dani: Java 8 looking good
 
* John: Planning - e4 vs compatibility layer
 
** McQ: Because we want e4 to be a complete Platform, it makes sense to look at our own editors and see what it takes to have them run on pure e4
 
** But that's on a case-by-case basis only
 
** There's still a lot of confusion around e4
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 27, 2018''' - Tom, Dani, Mcq, Lars, Alex
'''May 29, 2013''' - Dani, Andrew, Martin
+
* Java packages for configured Java in workspace
* Dani: '''4.3 Release Update''' - looking good, some minor doc fixes only for RC4.
+
** Equinox no longer provides hard-coded information about execution environments.  In the past this information was used at runtime for describing the running execution environment within the OSGi Framework.  Other usecases outside the Framework started uses the Java profile data from Equinox.  Equinox no longer has any need for the hard-coded information so no longer provides it.
* Martin: '''4.3 Standard Package''' with egit and mpc - also looking good.
+
** JDT and PDE have come to depend on the internal resources of the framework to get hard-coded information about execution environments
** Minor binary diffs traced down to an "encoding" flag in the JAR format which is not significant (see {{bug|408944}})
+
** JDT and PDE need to have a common way to figure out the available packages for Java versions >= Java 9
** Automated comparison of SDK against EPP are still possible when unzipping all Jar's and comparing the contents (actually listing contents with unzip -v is also fine)
+
** See [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=531642 531642] [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=532773 532773]
 +
* SWT clean-up
 +
** Lars reviewed the removal of Windows XP.  Built binaries locally on Windows.
 +
** Found a form data issue deleted some code that was still used
 +
** Tom - Unit tests didn’t catch the issue.  Concerning?
  
<hr/>
+
--> Update from Lars after the call: Later testing did show that this is a bug already existing in Eclipse. 4.7 and master and not related to the patch
'''May 22, 2013''' - Dani, Martin, John, McQ
+
* John: '''4.3 Update''' - still 100 bugs open with 4.3 target milestone, need a reminder
+
** There's still some [[Platform_UI/Plan/4.3 | Platform/UI 4.3 Backlog]] - some keybindings, activation, about dlg; need to make some decisions what's in or what's out
+
** Don't work on the list until the last day ... for any 2 bugs fixed, there's probably 1 introduced so need to ramp down
+
** Release review: Docs, N&N looking good
+
* Google Android announcement - IntelliJ is well integrated and polished, but Eclipse has more plugins ... the 2 concepts are somewhat at odds
+
** Just one in the large ecosystem - but need to watch for a trend of others moving away
+
  
<hr/>
+
** Lars did review and test
'''May 15, 2013''' - Dani, Martin, John, McQ
+
** Dani - put all the code in the branch and produce a build and ask windows community to test it
* John: Switching focus from Orion to Eclipse Platform for the endgame - will be away first week of June
+
** Mcq - thinks it is a good idea
* Mike Milinkovich did a demo on Orion in the Zurich lab and at the Eclipse Stammtisch Zurich
+
** Dani - create an official build for testing, not out of master with normal builds
 +
** Lars - what is the risk of putting in master
 +
** Dani - can do the build right away pre-CQ review approval.  Allows for more quick testing.
 +
** Alex, no need for a branch, can be a developer build we publish.  Alex will ask Leo to do this.
 +
* Jetty version
 +
** Jetty added non-optional dependencies on service-loader
 +
** Dani - got reverted, but old versions still caused Gerrit build issue
 +
** We don’t need the service-loader for our usage of jetty
 +
** jetty may be making a hard requirement on an implementation of server-loader (Aries spi-fly)
 +
** Can we move help off jetty? Will be a major undertaking.  Should figure out what it would me to do so.  Currently no interested contributer has stepped up to do the work to figure out what this would mean.
 +
** Equinox will still need jetty for the http service implementation.  Perhaps things are more simple if this is an Equinox only dependency.  Only pull in jetty if the http service implementation is needed and then pull in all of jetty and its dependencies.
 +
** No current plans or interested contributors for providing our own service-loader implementation.
 +
** Our build should start resolving the capabilities are requirements which would catch issues like this early in the build.
 +
** Alex - can we move latest tycho to get the capability/requirements meta-data.  No objections?  Alex will move forward.
  
<hr/>
 
'''May 8, 2013''' - Dani, Martin, John, Andrew, McQ
 
* Dani: {{bug|403149}} '''Removing Tycho Dependency''' - AI John comment on the bug
 
** Martin would like to see a simple Doc page somewhere that explains how to fix the versions
 
** Dani thinks that any serious build would update pom versions automatically as part of the build
 
* Martin: {{bug|402509}} context menu filtering - request gentle nudge
 
* John: Will '''switch to Asterisk''' for the PMC from next week on - '''AI McQ''' update the invite
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 20, 2018''' - Dani, McQ, Tom, Lars, Alex
'''May 1, 2013''' - John, Dani, Andrew, McQ
+
* Dani: The IBM SWT team considers the Windows XP removal too risky and in addition has no capacity to look at that big change. Fine if someone else looks at the removal. The type changes will have to wait after Photon (too risky). Lars will ask Conrad and Alex will also look at the patches.
* John: LTS now running IBM Juno maintenance builds in LTS forge. Some small details still being worked out.
+
* Databinding generification should be done early 4.9, too late for Photon.
* Dani: Gerrit can be configured to deny non-fast-forward merges. We agreed to request that all Eclipse project Gerrit repositories be configured in this way. See {{bug|402791}} for details.
+
* Dani: Eclipse support for Java 10 will be merged to the official branches starting Wednesday. A Marketplace entry for 4.7.3 will be made available once 4.7.3 is released. The first official release with Java 10 support is 4.7.3a scheduled for April 11.
* Dani: Request for JUnit bundle to stop re-exporting Hamcrest bundle. Hamcrest was originally part of JUnit so this was done for compatibility reasons. We agreed that we will not do this because it breaks all users of JUnit bundle. See {{bug|403676}} for details.
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''April 24, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
 
* Dani: '''Upload Freeze Plan'''
 
* Dani: '''Java 8 Update'''
 
* John: '''Pawel stepping down as Platform/Debug Lead'''
 
** Leaves Pin & Clone orphaned for next year. Working sets for expression view also not in Kepler.
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 13, 2018''' - Dani, McQ, Tom
'''April 17, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
+
* Alex had troubles to join; Lars still in vacation
* Martin: '''New Classic Package''' - Will commit SDK branding, and Egit Capability def
+
* Dani: in the new release process we need to downgrade some milestones to "checkpoints" where we only deliver the bits
** CSS - Should inherit proper styling from Platform (most probably OK)
+
** ACTION ITEM: Dani to start the discussion with the PMC via e-mail and then inform cross-project
* John: '''API Baselines''' - remind teams to set API baselines
+
* Martin: {{bug|402509}} context menu filtering - request gentle nudge
+
* John: [[Platform_UI/Plan/4.3 |Triage of Platform UI issues to be addressed]]
+
  
  
<hr/>
+
'''March 6, 2018''' - McQ, Tom, Alex
'''April 3, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, John, Andrew
+
* Short call without any interesting topics
* John: Kepler draft plan update ready, please take a look and provide comments
+
* We discussed EclipseCon. It was a very good event for Eclipse project. On desktop community is moving forward on Eclipse 4. There was lots of good feedback, and very little grumbling. Orion was very well represented, lots of talks and demos from several companies adopting it.
+
  
<hr/>
 
'''March 20, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
* Dani: '''Java 8''' - jdt.core making very good progress - almost everything compiles in the editor
 
* Dani: '''pom files update''' - to be discussed in the arch call
 
* Martin: {{bug|402509}} '''Context Menus''' - no feedback, ping again
 
* Martin: {{bug|145635}} '''Pin & Clone'''
 
** Dani - the feature itself is good and makes sense, would also like it in JDT
 
** '''The UI metaphor is new and would need some testing in the Field''' - McQ would like the patch in ASAP in a way that doesn't cause more swirl to start experimenting
 
** CDT would need to adopt it, upstream changes needed
 
** Current implementation showed quite a lot of ripples and bugs
 
*** Current impl breaks existing workflows, that's the big problem
 
** John: only 1 milestone left, if it appears in M7 and breaks any adopters they have little time to react;
 
*** Can loop-in JDT and CDT, but there might be others ...
 
*** Was PTP involved in any way ? They could also be broken, they have very special requirements
 
** McQ: Do we have ownership of this work ? - If we have a clear need and a clear owner working on it we could give it a try
 
** '''AI Martin''' (1) Clarify with CDT why they didn't like the feature and what are their plans; all the rest comes after that eg PTP, Pawel, can it be done in a non-breaking way
 
* John: {{bug|402912}} '''Significant Memory Leak in M6''' fixed this week: noticable if eclipse running for a long time
 
** Workaround for M6: Turn off Workbench Autosave feature by setting it to 0
 
** ''AI Post to cross-project'' - people doing demos at Eclipsecon might want to use the workaround
 
* Martin: {{bug|397896}} '''New Classic Package''' - initial package done but unusable while the SDK branding bundle's contents is not migrated
 
** Martin will continue pushing for this to happen - fallback would be not
 
** Not much risk in judging whether it's good or not, only binary diff needed
 
* John: {{bug|380325}} '''Java 7 filesystem fragment'''
 
** McQ do we know performance implications, could we get rid of the native bundles ?
 
** Martin would like to have the fragment in all builds, to make it easier to test performance etc implications
 
* Martin: {{bug|403589}} '''eclipse.inf'''
 
** Different binary bits depending on distribution channel is bad ... Tycho removed
 
** Defect in post-processing (why does it add eclipse.inf) or defect in bundle preparation (why isn't eclipse.inf in there) ?
 
** Maybe related to pack200 conditioning - Martin thinks that eclipse.inf was used in the past as a marker to know whether pack200 conditioning has happened ... now downstream aggregator conditions and adds eclipse.inf
 
** '''AI John investigate'''
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 27, 2018''' - Lars, Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex
'''March 13, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani
+
* JDT support for new Java releases
* Andrew: '''{{bug|397896}} final throughts on the EPP package'''
+
** McQ: With current change rate and OpenJDK process we can not promise Zero day compatibility but rather release as soon as possible
** Move forward with [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=397896#c17 ]
+
** Dani: effort to try convincing Oracle to tell the features a release earlier and get easier access to OpenJDK community
** Testing - could find someone if it's just "use during the test pass"
+
* Dropping XP support
** Q: Can the EPP build be done frequently so it's available 1 week before the milestone for testing ?
+
** Dani: no objection to drop it, the question is whether to do it for Photon or delay it for next release
* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
+
** Mail to be posted to cross project by Dani to gather feedback
** Would like to get some advice from Platform on the approach; some trajectory of a solution moving forward
+
** Alex: 1 week for gathering input on cross-project - '''AGREED'''
** Not a must-have for Kepler, but would like to see where this is heading
+
** If noone speaks up with reasonable reason to keep support - preapproved by Dani, Lars and Alex
** '''AI McQ''' find Platform folk to discuss this
+
** To be formally voted after the mail to cross-project
* John: '''Eclipse 4 API Status'''
+
* Release names
** Publishing a "usable subset" of the former provisional API as final: model, core services; consume injection
+
** Version only, release names are irrelevant from Eclipse TLP side - '''AGREED'''
** Allows building a real Eclipse 4 App now on API
+
* Inactive committers pruning
*** Mostly clean-up, documentation; removing some bad stuff
+
** Lars: no access to committer emails so sending just to the mailing list
*** Writing an App on Kepler E4 API might actually be able to run on Juno
+
** Wait 2 months for reply before action
** Some of the advanced stuff remains provisional for now, eg define injection
+
** McQ: ask foundation to send direct mails on behalf of the project, if foundation is not fine - remove committers directly
* John: '''Plan Update''' - No permission to update in the PMI
+
** Alex: only public replies to the mailing list are accepted so people wanting to remain committers at least follow the mailing list
* McQ: '''CBI''' / Bad Launcher
+
* Tip of the day -
** Have an idea that doing some little extra work after the CBI build might be good enough for now
+
** Lars: CQ approved, to be merged today/tomorrow
** HP-UX CBI Build doesn't start out of the box (will likely stay a known issue for M6)
+
** Alex: we should have it part of the build and part of the p2 repo for easy testing
* Martin: '''{{bug|380325}} Java7 EFS Plugin''': Build ?
+
** Dani: unclear APIs to be removed and to be simplified so we don't end up maintaining useless parts
 +
* GTK 2 vs. 4
 +
** Alex: Gtk 4 release aiming at late 2018, it's big change in drawing so conflicts with Gtk 2 badly
 +
** Alex: Gtk 2 support to be removed in future one of the next 2 releases, whether Sep or Dec to be discussed later in the Photon release train
 +
** Alex: mail to cross project list around Photon M7 or RC when more information on both Gtk 4 release plans and SWT bugs will be known
 +
** McQ: what is our statement on supported Gtk version?
 +
** Alex: Statement should be: Once SWT switches to latest Gtk version as default, support for previous versions goes into deep maintenance mode but will kept until it starts hurting new development and support for the default version at which point to be removed.
 +
** To be discussed further.
  
<hr/>
 
'''March 6, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
 
* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
 
** AI Martin ask engineers document what we're doing today
 
* Martin: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic''' - how to proceed
 
** Martin's recent findings on Marketplace
 
*** There's p2, Marketplace, Packages in the Open but they are only parts of the solution
 
*** There's commercial installers from EclipseSource (Yoxos), Genuitec, IBM
 
*** John: p2 simplified UI (eg Webtools Server Adaptors; Mylyn)
 
** What's missing ? David too booked ?
 
* John: '''CBI Builds in Kepler''' - SDK in good shape but repo and Equinox downloadpage not quite right yet, some might take until M6
 
* John: '''Delete old Platform/UI Branches''' - any PMC Policy ? No, convert branches to tags
 
* John: '''API Freeze next week''' - some (modest) new Eclipse 4 API's
 
** McQ recommends going for a "complete, but minimal subset of what people will want to do", rather than too many convenience methods
 
** John: Some API has been provisional for 3 years - can't make wholesale changes now for the fun of it
 
*** May phase in some changes by adding @noreference rather than deleting stuff
 
*** In some cases there's pressure to use interfaces rather than classes, in order to be able and leverage Java 8 constructs
 
* Orion - anybody going to JSConf ?
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 20, 2018''' - Lars, Dani, McQ, Tom
'''February 27, 2013''' - John, Andrew, Dani
+
* Nothing noteworthy
+
  
<hr/>
+
* Dani: Update on 4.7 RC3
'''February 20, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
+
* Lars: Can we drop Windows XP support?
* John: '''Orion Release Review''', please give feedback
+
** Lars: Big contribution comes in (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=531097), dropping XP support might be a good motiviation to contribute more also to other people. Removing lots of code including the version checks will also result in a cleaner code base for maintenance and might improve performance.
 +
** Dani: IBM investigate if they officially drop XP
 +
** Tom: Do we need support XP with the latest Eclipse version?
 +
--> Pending on the answer of the IBM team, will be discussed in next weeks call
 +
* Tom: OSGI CQs updated and approved for OSGi Service Platform 7.0 version
  
<hr/>
 
'''February 13, 2013'''
 
* {{bug|156134}} re-exporting debug dependencies
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''February 6, 2018''' - Lars, Dani, McQ
'''February 6, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
+
* Lars: Can we mark MInput and MInputPart for deletion ({{bug|509868}})?
* John: '''M5a and SR2 RC4'''
+
** Dani: Before approving to mark them for deletion, someone has to investigate how much work needs to be done to do it. Both have over 50 references.
* John: Pawel and Platform / Debug work (Pin & Clone)
+
*** McQ agrees
** Only adopt when it's really ready and satisfies all criteria, otherwise not into Kepler
+
* Dani: [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/ui-best-practices-working-group/msg00743.html Topic on ui-best-practices-working-group list]: Replace "..." with an ellipses Unicode character
** Maybe pull out Debug plugins into a feature of their own ?
+
** Looks good on Mac and is actually used by Mac OS, but less good on Windows. No info regarding Linux at this time
 +
** McQ:
 +
*** Mac OS UI guidelines specify to use the ellipses character
 +
*** SWT could do the right thing depending on the platform
 +
* Lars: view menu, minimize and maximize buttons look bad to him. Would like to replace the view menu with ellipses
 +
** Dani: Would have to change all three together. View menu is always there and not indicating an overflow
 +
** McQ: Windows 10 also uses a triangle, but upwards. Current view menu is used and familiar to users for at least more than 10 years.
 +
** Lars to file a bug report and send the bug number to the PMC
 +
* McQ: Should discuss in one of the next meetings how JDT can handle the new release cadence for Java
 +
** Dani: We will see how it goes with Java 11 (18.3)
 +
* Dani: How will we name the milestones in our new new release scheme?
 +
** Consensus to start with M1 after each release.
 +
** Up to planning council to decide the release naming convention. Lars: Would prefer year/month
  
<hr/>
 
'''January 30, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
* John: '''SR2 RC3''' looking good - want to know about any remaining issues
 
* Dani: '''Java 8 Update''' - Markus Keller will move from JDT UI to JDT Core, taking over JSR-308
 
* John: '''NODE Dependency in Orion (exempt pre-req)'''
 
** Not shipping NODE ourselves, pushing to NODE package manager instead (or clone from git)
 
** Andrew: Is it a workswith ?
 
** Martin: Is there any overlap with the Java portion ?
 
*** The server code is completely distinct from Java, but the same client can interact with both
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 30, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
'''January 24, 2013''' -  
+
* General Updates (Dani)
* Martin: '''4.3 and 3.8 dual-stream''' - [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools#themes_and_priorities Webtools project plan]
+
** Shipped M5, still working some p2 issues
** egit, mylyn, dtp have been doing both n + n-1 for a long time
+
** RC1 for Neon.3 next week, may need API changes after the freeze for junit 5 support updates
** Technically, running on both should be possible if Platform API is used (except for the changes in Theming)
+
** Discussion about the incubation for Java. Ongoing thread in jdt-dev list https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/jdt-dev/msg00964.html.  The incubation features will be part of the release specification which implies they need to be implemented to be compliant.  Spend time putting them into a release only to pull out later if they don’t finalize.  Not clear there are tests added to the TCK.  Alex asks if this effects us for Java 10, no not for Java 10.  Java 10 only has local type reference, not huge delta of function from Java 9.  No incubation in Java 10.  But incubation may affect us for Java 11.
** The Eclipse Community needs to advance the latest (4.3)
+
* Info about infrastructure (Alex)
** IBM product teams have been told not to forward at all if they can't forward to 4.x - shipping on 4.2
+
** Foundation push to move to Jenkins.  Releng has moved, uncovered issues with rest API and token exchange … disabled for now for Jenkins.  Issue is being worked but only can be fixed once all is moved to Jenkins.
** John: Having '''wider ranges of tolerance''' is something we should be able to do (otherwise our plugin system is failing)
+
** Platform HIPP moving to Jenkins tomorrow.  Will be some downtime, should be less than an hour or so.  May cause several issue.  Issues in non-standard jobs with multiple repos etc.  For Gerrit verifications should be fine.  Let Alex know if there are issues.  Alex to send a note when the migration occurs.
** John: Java8 will be the first killer feature in 4.x
+
** p2 issue is real.  Other issues are pressing (infrastucture/build).  Todor has a bug that he should be looking at.  Not something happening in the past, but now the capabilities are being resolved.  Issues happened with a hand crafted p2.inf file.  Hopefully will scope down the p2.inf files.  Alex to drive to determine if a respin is needed.
* Dani: '''Java 8'''
+
** Need to monitor the p2 issue, determine how many are broken.  Cannot just break 100s of folks without serious consideration.  Why not revert?  Alex says it is not an option and we should do everything possible to fix.
** Will provide feature patches as soon as it makes sense - early draft, participating in expert group
+
** Lars asks about nominating more committers, perhaps that were rejected in the past.  Now the Eclipse PMC can overlook the nomination process.  Work with existing contributors showing interest and look for opportunities to sponsor them for committership.
** Want to have the compiler and editor ready when Java 8 goes GA - initial refactoring etc in SR1 - full feature set in the next release
+
* Tip of the day (Clippy)
* John: '''CBI update'''
+
** See [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/platform-ui-dev/msg08006.html Tips Framework]
** Consider switch after M5
+
** Tip of the Day or (Clippy) in coming contribution … looking for integration M6?
 +
** Lars thinks it is worth it.  Dani disables such things by default, and also Lars.  Alex find the function interesting.  Others are also reviewing the patch. 
 +
** Lars is moving forward with it.  If it is very easy to disable and is stable on all platforms then it should be good.
 +
** Is there a concern about a solution that requires network … it doesn’t appear to be a concern.
  
<hr/>
 
'''January 17, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin
 
* John: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic'''
 
** Could volunteer to own the EPP package from Platform POV
 
** Then Wayne would own the decision of RCP/RAP vs Classic - what's the difference, keep both or unify
 
* John: '''Test Failures on I-Builds'''
 
** Move away tests that have been failing for 9 months
 
** Dani: Most tests are actually down to 0 failures
 
* John: '''CBI / Maven Builds'''
 
** Appears to be fragile at the moment - Maven .micro releases are breaking the build!
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''January 16, 2018''' - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom
'''January 10, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
+
* Native builds at eclipse.org status (Lars):
* McQ: '''CBI''' - Switching Platform build to CBI for SR2 is not doable
+
** Dani: swt is done for some time already
** Want to make CBI work for Juno since it's the LTS stream
+
** Dani: launchers after M5 is released to prevent breakage
** CBI SDK builds are good at this point, it's only a couple of minor issues (shape of repos, download page, ...
+
* GTK launcher changes (Alex):
** When to switch to CBI in the Kepler Stream ? - Proposal do do it immediately
+
** Changes to not rely on X11 atoms but on dbus ready for review
* CBI patches waiting for Platform to pick up
+
** Linux only as no other GTK platforms are currently built
 +
* Equinox CQs (Tom):
 +
** P2 capabilities patch from Todor and felix.scr update
 +
** Slow process risking M5
 +
** Alex: Ping Sharon asking for speedup if possible
 +
* Updates from Dani:
 +
** Photon plan update - BREE to be part of the build info
 +
** End game - Oxygen.3 and M5 - send to the list
 +
** Running tests against Java 9
 +
* Java 10 eclipse release (Dani):
 +
** Oxygen.3a or marketplace feature only - Agreement for oxygen.3a
 +
** Dani: Local Variable type inference support in a branch
 +
** Future releases - to be aligned with JVM releases if they prove to release on time
 +
* BREE updates recomendations
 +
** Dani: There are reasons to stay on older BREE
 +
** Alex: ease of getting jvm is the main concern here - if a contributor can't get jvm at that version easily we can't call it supported
  
<hr/>
 
'''January 3, 2013''' - McQ, Andrew, John, Dani
 
* Andrew will recommend good conferences to promote Orion
 
  
<hr/>
+
'''Januar 09, 2018''' - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani
 +
* Updates from Dani:
 +
** Ian Skerrett is leaving the Eclipse foundation
 +
** Dani got nominated as committer representive
 +
* Planning council update
 +
** Dani: low participation in the last calls
 +
** Dani will talk with Melanie about it
 +
** Input  required for the planning council for the API and feature freezes for the platform
 +
* API and feature freeze policy in platform
 +
*** Alex: API and feature freeze in platform should be RC1, except breaking API which should be done in milestone build
 +
*** everyone agrees to Alex suggestion-> agreed
 +
* Alex: SWT linux currently uses X-Windows specific API, which does not work on Wayland. This will be moved to a DBUS API to open file and open URL
 +
* Dani: Plan update, biggest change is for the component plan
 +
** Equinox plan has been added
 +
** Manual generated BREE list has been dropped from the plan. This list is still automatically generated for every I-Build
 +
* Launcher and natives build move from IBM to the foundation still in progress
 +
** ({{bug|528230}}) Build FileSystem native component on Eclipse Foundation Infra
 +
** ({{bug|528230}}) Build launcher on Eclipse Foundation Infra
  
 
= Archive =
 
= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 11:33, 16 April 2019

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

April 16, 2019 - Lars, Dani, Tom, McQ

  • M1 has shipped -- Lots of good stuff, see the N&N
  • Plan has been posted
    • Attempt to simplify the creation process, still WIP
  • Started working on identifying inactive committers
    • Inactive == haven't committed anything for 2 years
  • Looking at ways to ensure we have enough testing of new Java features
    • Main projects should run on widest ranges of versions, so can't just raise BREE there
    • Could add new test projects, and allow tests to be written with new constructs


April 9, 2019 - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ

  • Dani
    • Lots of regressions Dani investigating
      • cycle from tests (fixed)
      • UI elements gone missing (fixed)
    • Get rid of the new index from JDT
      • Needs lots of polish to get rid of bugs, but never showed performance improvements.
      • Decided to disable the option to use it (code remains). Open to others to help maintain.
    • Created initial 2019-06 (4.12) plan
      • Still need individual plan bugs from leads (cough Equinox).
    • Created initial release record for 2019-06 (4.12)
    • Made a call for plan items for 2019-06 (4.12)
    • M1 this week
      • Looks good so far.
  • Tom
    • Investigating parallel activation of bundles bug 540507
  • Alex
    • M1 fixes for SWT
      • Fixes for other things in M1 some small regression in custom Linux environment.
    • M1 jsch update needed
    • Tom to Open bug for Apache Felix SCR update post M1
    • SWT issue
      • SVG image support for Linux-only to start. Need support for other platforms.
      • Windows has a number of patches pending. (mostly cleanup patches?)
      • Try to get more people on board for Windows support help.
      • Ask for help on the platform list. We have combined the projects and have more devs available to work on SWT if they are willing to help.
      • For cleanup you need specific SWT knowledge.
        • two types of cleanup - use quick fix from Eclipse - and real refactoring.
    • If we are to advance SWT development then we cannot continue with a single committer on a platform. Need to promote the recruitment of new SWT committers.


April 2, 2019 - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom

  • Planning for this release has started
    • Sub-projects need to have first cut of plan ready by a week from Friday
  • Also a week from Friday is our M1
  • Based on community feedback we will keep the update site for adding Java 11 support to the 2018-09 (4.9) release, the Marketplace entry remains removed


March 26, 2019 - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom

  • Dani
    • Inactive committer cleanup progress.
      • It is now harder. Portal has been deactivated and the functionality to get inactive committers is gone.
      • Looking to use some script originated by Lars for list of contributors.
      • What is the timeline to be considered inactive again? Ans. A year of inactivity will trigger the question.
  • Alex
    • Confirms that the new indexer has no value to Red Hat (see also March 5 and bug 544898)
    • bug 545032 Implement native ImageLoader (Linux only)
      • Allows additional formats not previously supported to work with the native Linux implementation of SWT
      • What kind of error message will be available on other platforms?
      • Need to confirm the API doc is updated to indicate what formats are supported on what platforms. (Alex will take care of that in the javadoc)
      • Has there been investigation into what later Java versions provide for image loading?
        • No, could be done as part of investigating support on other platforms.
      • Need to have an umbrella bug for the new functionality with additional children defects for the platforms that don't support the new formats. (Alex to open that)


March 19, 2019 - McQ, Lars, Dani

  • Dani
    • 4.11 on track - repositories and download page ready for tomorrow
    • Java 12 GA expected today
    • Will merge Java 12 work to master tomorrow or on Thursday
    • Will provide a Marketplace entry for Java 12 support for 4.11


March 12, 2019 - ???

  • Missing


March 5, 2019 - Tom, Alex, Dani

  • Dani
    • I will be away starting Friday and next week. No laptop ==> watch out for any 4.11 related issues
    • Tom, please update the status on the Equinox 4.11 plan
    • Tom: bug 544370: NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/sshd/server/auth/AsyncAuthException from SshServ
    • bug 544833: Inactive committer cleanup for Platform for the 4.12 release
      • Might be much more work since committer info from old portal is not available in the new PMI
    • Get rid of new indexer. Alex, not sure who from Red Hat mentioned it at EclipseCon Europe but there seemed to be interest to further work on this.
      • Alex: Roland looked at it and could not see any benefit
      • Current thinking: drop it, but Alex will double-check and report back in two weeks


February 26, 2019 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars, Dani

  • Dani
    • Issues with Mac signing
      • McQ: we should ask the Foundation whether they can't set up a watchdog
    • Issues with JAR signing
    • Release on track
    • Prune inactive committers
      • AGREED to do this like we did last year for Platform (bug 530200)
      • Lars for Platform. Tom for Equinox and Dani for JDT and PDE
  • Lars: move active committers to the list of contributors in the Acknowledgments
    • AGREED


February 19, 2019 - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars

  • Lars: API removal announcement on cross project
    • AGREED: To send one mail per release for RC1 announcing all removals to reduce noise on the mailing list
    • In case of more important removal it can be announced individually.
    • Dani to open bugs for releases so it's handled properly.
  • Lars: Provisional API guidelines changes
    • Current approach with internal/provisional package names until API is stable is an issue because:
      • It creates more work for maintainers to rename packages.
      • It creates more work for adopters to change references once API is stable.
    • AGREED: Use the intended package name but mark it as x-internal until API is final. Lars will update the document.
  • Dani: End game plan posted


February 12, 2019 - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars

  • Dani:
    • M3 next week.
    • Must start to work on IP log, release review and Endgame plan.
  • Alex: What's the future of ECF (not much happening there)? How feasible is it to replace ECF and HttpClient with new Java HTTP Client from Java 11?
    • Interesting to know, but unfortunately no resources to investigate this at the moment.
  • PMC decision regarding HttpClient for 2019-03: will ship what we have (4.5.5).


February 5, 2019 - Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars

  • Dani:
    • I-build contributed to 2019-03 M2, no complaints so far
    • Over 200 bugs for M3 with 2 weeks left, need to be looked at and target adjusted
  • Alex:
    • JIPPs are subject to update to new infra in the next few months. Releng JIPP is a matter of separate treatment.
    • As soon as most JIPPs (not Eclipse TLP only) are moved to new infra SWT will move to GTK 3.22 as a min version.
    • Sep 2019 release is the earliest possible for SWT GTK min version bump.
  • Tom:
    • equinox.framework and bundles git repositories merge
    • APPROVED if history is preserved
    • Alex: new name of repo should be eclipse.equinox.* not rt.equinox
    • After merge Alex takes renaming rest of equinox repos with webmaster
  • Lars: Fosdem
    • IDE and Free Tools room
    • Netbeans and IntelliJ talks and interest


January 29, 2019 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani, Lars

  • Alex: Java 11, should we move the build to Java 11?
    • Agreed to move the Tycho snapshots for testing and move back to Tycho stable after M3
  • Dani: This week is M2, we will contribute the Wednesday I-Build with some sanity checks
  • Dani: Having problems with the asynchronous JDT UI initialization bug 543935


January 22, 2019 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani

  • Alex:Felix SCR update
    • Tom: Orbit update to make felix.scr bundle imports non-optional
    • Missing compile warning in the first build - not clear why it happened
  • Tom: Equinox tests move from runtime git repo
    • Needed because tests are not run on gerrit and not findable for contributors
    • Alex: how easy it is to find which one are for equinox and which should stay in runtime repo
    • Tom: to open bug with details


January 15, 2019 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars, Dani

  • Dani
    • We shipped 4.11 M1 last Friday - no issue so far
    • Created release record for 4.11 (mandatory to be there by 4.11 M1)
  • Tom
    • Chatter about update configurator bug 542706
    • Alex: update configurator still there but not hooked into Equinox/p2/PDE anymore
    • Alex and Lars to update the bug report


January 8, 2019 - Dani, ?

  • We had a meeting, no notes were taken


December 18, 2018 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Dani

  • Talked about potential release train delay due to JAXB - nothing we have to worry about
  • Next call on January 8


December 11, 2018 - Tom, Lars, Dani

  • Dani: 4.10 looks good, work for 4.11 is open for development
  • Dani: Will add Bugzilla milestones
  • Tom: Will update Equinox to Java 8 soon will need to support Java 8 for quite some time in the future


December 4, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars, Dani

  • Dani away on Thursday and Friday.
    • Please keep an eye on RC2.
    • Please watch the release review (bug 541666).
  • Dani: 4.10 on good track but investigating last minute bug 542090.
  • bug 541689: What needs to be done to add OpenJDK on Windows as a reference platform?
    • We will add this for now, but for 4.11 we will query the community which runtimes are actually used and/or tested.
    • Alex: We need to specify from where the OpenJDK runtime comes from.
  • Tom: When do we push 4.10 to Maven central?
    • Dani: ask on Releng list.
  • Alex: Help Center issue. What's the state?
    • Tom will investigate this a bit more this week. Probably no fix for RC2.


November 27, 2018 - Alex, Dani, McQ, Tom

  • Mailing lists
    • Discussion on merging various mailing lists bug 541508
    • Merge all platform-x lists into one (platform-dev?) list, except the current platform-releng-dev will remain separate.
    • merge all jdt lists into one list (jdt-dev?) list.
    • Considered merging the equinox-dev and p2-dev into one list (equinox-dev?), will leave separate for now because the two groups still seem to have distinct topics to discuss (even if the traffic is relatively low).
    • What is the target usage of the lists? For the user community to ask questions or for the developers to have discussions around development of Eclipse? At this point the traffic is low and the PMC does not see a need to discourage usage by the user community to ask questions.
    • Before merging we need a way to have responses sent to messages sent to the old archived mailing lists which directs them to the new list.
  • Rules for freeze/endgame
    • Consider allowing the gerrit reviews to act as the way to record approval by a member of the PMC and/or project lead instead of requiring that to be flagged in the bugzilla. If the gerrit review was done by someone other than a member of the PMC or project lead then there still needs to be some record in the bugzilla that the required approval of the PMC or project lead was done.


November 20, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ

  • Dani reminded the team to update plans so we can do release review
  • Dani working on IP review
  • M3 this week; then API/feature freeze next week; then one more week and we’re done
  • JDT Code Mining went in today; test!; disabled by default
  • Demonstrated proof of concept, empty shell running on GTK4 alpha
  • bug 541307 needs to be investigated; could be a blocker for PDE or Equinox
  • Seems to be general consensus that code clean-up is more important than maintaining git blame usefulness


November 13, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ

  • Plan update 4.10 plan update 1 from Dani
    • As Foundation still provides only SLES 12 we might still have to list it
    • SWT team tests on SLES15
    • Details: bug 541074
  • Train name update from Dani: We can keep "our" Eclipse IDE name, foundation dropped the idea of adding an additional identifier to the "Eclipse IDE" brand.
  • jsch - Dani checked if preferences are used and could not find any usage, Dani did not yet contact Thomas as JGit did not make any progress in the area. Alex did update Equinox.
  • Cherry-pick as strategy in Gerrit
    • bug 541021
    • Dani does not like the idea and voted against it
    • Alex: Linux tools and CDT are using Cherry-pick

-> Everyone agrees that the build infrastructure is getting worse and that we should find ways to speed up the build, Dani will follow-up with the foundation on that


October 30, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Dani: Update on release train name
    • Foundation accepts "Eclipse IDE" as long as the scope is clear
    • Foundation can use another name when the Eclipse IDE is shown along with other IDEs, e.g. Che. Possible name could be "Eclipse Classic IDE"
  • Increase major segment when deleting deprecated API
    • Discussed last year on October 10, 2017 but did not make an official decision
    • Disruption would be huge
    • Today we decided unanimously that in general we will NOT increase the major version when removing deprecated API
      • There might be cases/bundles where we might be more aggressive


October 23, 2018 - No meeting due to EclipseCon Europe


October 16, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, McQ

  • We all agreed that at this point, the right thing regarding renaming the project is to do nothing.
  • Delivered 2018-12 (4.10) M1 on Friday. No feedback on that so far. Train to deliver this Friday.
  • Dani gave an update on the work for the EDP.
  • Alex together with Mickael will make sure that the Unconference session at EclipseCon will be split into interest groups after initial discussion.


October 9, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Tom, Dani, McQ

  • 4.10 plan and release record published
  • 4.10 M1 looks good, low number of bugs
  • Project naming - pushback in planning council and there will be no change until Eclipse Foundation provides the document describing the rules names should comply with
  • Performance tests
    • Lars: jdt.core performance tests not running
    • Dani: performance tests running (mostly) since Photon, most work done by Sravan
    • Dani: results look sane but need to be checked thoroughly for some time to ensure all the infra runs proper
    • Alex: SWT perf tests for 4.9 properly shown improvement in startup initialization


September 18, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom, McQ

  • Release looks ok, respin was required
  • EPL 2.0 conversion was done for the Eclipse SDK but not for the e4 sub projects
    • Lars: e4 repository have not been converted
    • Dani: JDT, Equinox, PDE and Equinox have been converted so the Eclipse SDK has been converted
    • Lars plans to convert the e4 spies
    • Dani will inform Wayne/ Webmaster about the EPL 2.0 migration of the Eclipse SDK
  • Alex suggests deleting the long dead e4 repository like e4 JDT (no commits for 5 years, they should be archived) -> Alex to announce on e4 mailing list
  • Lars reports that SAP might get more involved, he delivered a workshop for them and they have very skilled developers which hopefully will contribute to the platform.
  • Dani: JDT will create a common plan for its components under https://wiki.eclipse.org/JDT/Plan/4.10, similar to platform.


September 11, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Dani: 4.9 Review is done and passed
    • Release is looking good for final phase
    • RC2 is done - no planned changes left for 4.9
    • Moving on for 4.10
  • Alex: 4.9 is in good shape now
    • Had last minute issues that almost made us miss RC2 date. Felix SCR change in qualifier caused meta-data to be regenerated because of an upgrade in Tycho. Tycho now published generic OSGi capabilities. This lead to cases where Felix SCR would get included without equinox.ds. That lead to issues with activating Felix SCR.
    • Tycho is fixed now to handle starting of Felix SCR, worked around issue for 4.9
    • For 4.10 dropped 32-bit and gtk2 now
  • Tom: org.eclipse.equinox.ds to be removed. Decided to keep equinox.ds in the repository as part of the Equinox SDK feature, but it will not be shipped as part of the Eclipse SDK features.
    • Need to make sure other areas can handle equinox.ds missing (e.g PDE)
  • Dani: Informs us if the team attending Eclipse Day and EclipseCon events.
  • Via email: Pinging robot for bugs will be activated for all subcomponents of the Eclipse top level project, as it is currently not possible to activate the robot for only a sub-component.

September 04, 2018 - Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom

  • CQ in JDT was approved to create code duplication. Lars asked what caused that.
    • Delay in JDT review, biggest blocker is still not in JDT
    • Large change, agreed with Dani to get review priority review in 4.10 from the JDT team
  • Alex/Tom - 4.9 RC2 status
    • Looks good, no know bugs
  • Lars: Activate autoclose for Platform bugs?
    • Lars argues that platform and e4 has too many old bugs so people are not looking at them
    • McQ is against autoclose
    • Agreed by al to enable "Pinging the user if this problem still exists" for selected components (Platform/UI) and see how much feedback we get.
    • Email send to McQ, Tom and Alex if we could also add e4 to that pinging list -> all agreed to enable it also for e4 bugs

August 28, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Reminder - RC1 this week, RC2 next week
  • Dani on vacation starting this Friday
  • Dani will submit the release review and IP log before going on vacation (Wayne approved this)
    • Alex will handle all things that come up with that
  • EPL 2.0
    • Lars: almost done - few pending patches
    • Alex: boring work - hopefully EPL 3.0 only on 10 years


August 21, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Reminder - M3 this week RC1 next week
  • Milestone discussion
    • M2 and M3 are too close together.
    • Delivering M1 and M3 instead provides better space for the development team.
    • M1 will be short, but still should give us 1 month time to deliver.
    • For 4.10 we will try delivering M1 and M3 milestones.
  • Dani will look at submitting the release review and IP log early since he will be out during the week they are due.
    • Alex will cover if that cannot be done
  • EDP update - Arch council is making changes ... should ease some things.
    • For example, decoupling the project review from a project release. Project releases still will require IPLogs
  • Lots of bugs still open against 4.9.
    • Team needs to adjust milestones accordingly before 4.9 is done
  • Java 11
    • Work almost done to support Java 11.
    • Initial support will be delivered in Marketplace only (no 4.9a planned).
    • First official release with Java 11 support will be 4.10


August 14, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Changing our test framework to use JUnit 5 always (bug 531057)
    • In progress: suites are running, but some tests are aborting
    • Reports should be fine in next build
  • Release review and IP log will be coming soon
    • M3 next week, then one week for RC1 and one week for RC2
    • A lot of bugs in the backlog that need to have their milestone re-assigned
  • Once we get a few releases under our belt using the new process, we should do a retrospective looking at burn rates, quality, etc.
    • The good news is we no longer have to maintain two streams and back port changes.
  • Support for J9 shared classes merged into Equinox
    • Will not update launcher to specify them for this release
    • Need to provide doc on how users can specify the options themselves (via eclipse.ini)
  • McQ away for two weeks


August 7, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani

  • Dani: outstanding plan topics:
    • Target platforms should use SLES 15 (instead of 12)
      • Dani to talk to SWT team about this
    • Remove RHEL 7.4 (current is 7.5)
      • all agree to this
  • McQ to send note about Windows 32-bit EOL
  • Alex: ASM breakage in master — issue in Orbit; should be in next iBuild
  • Dani: shipped M2 last week everything went well


July 31, 2018 - Dani, Tom, Alex

  • Dani: For quality reasons, suggests to have an official M3 (August 24) since after RC1 (August 31) we will only have 1 week left
    • all agree to this
  • Dani: Initial 4.9 plan is ready but no feedback so far


July 10, 2018 - McQ, Dani, Tom, Alex

  • 32 bit support
    • Harder to find 32 bit JVM
    • Devs are not supposed to work on 32 bit OSes anymore
    • Agreement to drop support for 32 bit but keep sources and build support for some period to give people time to bring it back
  • GTK 2.x support in SWT
    • Planned to be removed for 2018-12 release
    • Needed so GTK 4.x port can be started prior to 4.0 release so SWT needs a taken into account from GTK devs
    • Bugs are not being looked at for some time already and GTK 3 has been the default for years now.
  • 4.9 release
    • M1 is this week
    • Platform will contribute I-build with some basic testing but not the full milestone which is to be done for the only milestone which is to be delivered for M2 of the SimRel


June 12, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • RC4a looks good; hidpi fix is in place
    • no plans for further builds at this point

June 05, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Tom, Dani, Lars

  • Dani:
    • Image limit for help should be increased? -> Not covered in the call
    • Will most likely not be able to join the next call
  • Alex:
    • Support only last LTS version of Linux?
      • Agreement to drop old LTS versions for 4.9 but not to change the target environment for 4.8
    • Dropping big Endian -> we all agreed to drop it, MQ found the email to cross, so we can remove it
  • Lars:
    • Update to EPL 2.0?
      • change of about.html is trivial
      • requires version updates of MANIFEST.MF and pom.xml
      • Script for source update look good, Lars checked manually lots of files
      • Coordindate with Jay or Noopur for the JDT UI update
      • Dani suggested to announce such work via the mailing list so that everyone is aware of the work
    • Only one N&N per release? -> Agreed to have one document per release
    • Do we get a name for Photon+1 -> Dani: Our SDK is called 4.9, splash screen will only be month year, planning counsil still discussing
    • Include Tips and Tricks in the SDK -> Not covered in the call


May 29, 2018 - Alex, Tom, Dani

  • Dani:
    • Uploaded IP log
    • Working on issue with IP log: looks like a CQ is missing for com.google.code.atinject.tck
    • Finalized Photon plan
    • Sent Release Review material for approval to PMC mailing list
    • RC3 looks good so far


May 22, 2018 - Alex, Tom, McQ, Dani

  • EPL 2.0
    • Still working with foundation on whether we can gradually move to 2.0
  • Will we be supporting updates from release to release in the new 3 month release cycle?
    • Yes, unless we explicitly indicate otherwise.
    • To simplify this, we should have a "latest" update site
    • We need to make this simpler for users, but not get in the way of the EPP, OOMF, etc.
    • Alex to write this up in more detail
    • Dani reminded us that there had been a previous discussion in the planning council
  • Project leads have updated Photon plans
    • Dani will be updating the overall plan; PMC to comment on bug 529640
  • Dani also working on release review and IP log
    • PMC members to approve once it's ready
  • As previously discussed our first milestone will be called "M2"


May 15, 2018 - Alex, Tom, McQ, Lars, Dani

  • GDPR
    • audit did not report any issues on our project pages
  • Opening development for 4.9
    • Will branch RC2 and update master with required Releng work
    • master will be open after RC3
  • EPL 2.0
    • No plans to do anything for 4.8
    • Lars will look into it
    • Ideally we gradually move to 2.0


May 8, 2018 - Dani, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • GDPR
    • Eclipse Project collects no information from the users on the project websites
    • The Error Reporting tool, might be impacted
    • Also possibly bugzilla <-- Do we need to delete bugs older than some retention period?
    • Impossible to remove emails from all git repos (because of cloning)
    • We need to be sure to respond to requests from the foundation
  • Jetty
    • 9.4.10 is in latest build, and help system is working
    • they made the dependencies that were problematic optional


May 1, 2018 - cancelled due to public holiday in most Europe


April 24, 2018 - Dani, Lars, Alex, Tom

  • Target environments
    • We will keep Java 8 and 10 and remove java 9 from the list
    • remove JVMs as soon as they run out of support from target environments - AGREED
  • javax.annotation
    • Version shipped is quite old, should we update it to newer version
    • Update to latest standalone release to be tried
    • Alex to try to drive this through
  • Notify cross project about removal of ee modules from the JVM
    • People don't follow Java 11 work so will probably be surprised when things start to fail so we better try to spread the information
    • Dani will send a link to the JEP containing detailed information
  • Contribution guidelines
    • Do not open bugs for simple changes and cleanups
    • Actual bug fixes to be split from cleanups in separate patches so the bug commit is straight on the topic
    • Dani will update the wiki
  • Cancel May 1st call - public holiday in Europe


April 17, 2018 - Dani, Alex, McQ

  • On Java 11...
    • We are actually shipping the javax annotation support
    • Java 11 is working in 4.8, but isn't in 4.7.x
      • Tom Watson is investigating why it is not working 4.7.x


April 10, 2018 - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex

  • Discussed bug 533390: Eclipse does not launch with Java 11


April 3, 2018 - Tom, Dani, Mcq, Lars

  • 4.7.3a update
    • Delivered RC2 on Saturday, so we could fix some badness in handling Java 10 "var" support (tl;dr: rename appeared to allow you to affect "var" as if it were a type (but would not have modified the code))
    • Currently think we're done
  • Naming milestones
    • As previously discussed, we will contribute the most recent I-build to the release train for the 3-week "M1".
    • We will call our first milestone (at the 6-week point) M2 so that it aligns with the release train naming.


March 27, 2018 - Tom, Dani, Mcq, Lars, Alex

  • Java packages for configured Java in workspace
    • Equinox no longer provides hard-coded information about execution environments. In the past this information was used at runtime for describing the running execution environment within the OSGi Framework. Other usecases outside the Framework started uses the Java profile data from Equinox. Equinox no longer has any need for the hard-coded information so no longer provides it.
    • JDT and PDE have come to depend on the internal resources of the framework to get hard-coded information about execution environments
    • JDT and PDE need to have a common way to figure out the available packages for Java versions >= Java 9
    • See 531642 532773
  • SWT clean-up
    • Lars reviewed the removal of Windows XP. Built binaries locally on Windows.
    • Found a form data issue deleted some code that was still used
    • Tom - Unit tests didn’t catch the issue. Concerning?

--> Update from Lars after the call: Later testing did show that this is a bug already existing in Eclipse. 4.7 and master and not related to the patch

    • Lars did review and test
    • Dani - put all the code in the branch and produce a build and ask windows community to test it
    • Mcq - thinks it is a good idea
    • Dani - create an official build for testing, not out of master with normal builds
    • Lars - what is the risk of putting in master
    • Dani - can do the build right away pre-CQ review approval. Allows for more quick testing.
    • Alex, no need for a branch, can be a developer build we publish. Alex will ask Leo to do this.
  • Jetty version
    • Jetty added non-optional dependencies on service-loader
    • Dani - got reverted, but old versions still caused Gerrit build issue
    • We don’t need the service-loader for our usage of jetty
    • jetty may be making a hard requirement on an implementation of server-loader (Aries spi-fly)
    • Can we move help off jetty? Will be a major undertaking. Should figure out what it would me to do so. Currently no interested contributer has stepped up to do the work to figure out what this would mean.
    • Equinox will still need jetty for the http service implementation. Perhaps things are more simple if this is an Equinox only dependency. Only pull in jetty if the http service implementation is needed and then pull in all of jetty and its dependencies.
    • No current plans or interested contributors for providing our own service-loader implementation.
    • Our build should start resolving the capabilities are requirements which would catch issues like this early in the build.
    • Alex - can we move latest tycho to get the capability/requirements meta-data. No objections? Alex will move forward.


March 20, 2018 - Dani, McQ, Tom, Lars, Alex

  • Dani: The IBM SWT team considers the Windows XP removal too risky and in addition has no capacity to look at that big change. Fine if someone else looks at the removal. The type changes will have to wait after Photon (too risky). Lars will ask Conrad and Alex will also look at the patches.
  • Databinding generification should be done early 4.9, too late for Photon.
  • Dani: Eclipse support for Java 10 will be merged to the official branches starting Wednesday. A Marketplace entry for 4.7.3 will be made available once 4.7.3 is released. The first official release with Java 10 support is 4.7.3a scheduled for April 11.


March 13, 2018 - Dani, McQ, Tom

  • Alex had troubles to join; Lars still in vacation
  • Dani: in the new release process we need to downgrade some milestones to "checkpoints" where we only deliver the bits
    • ACTION ITEM: Dani to start the discussion with the PMC via e-mail and then inform cross-project


March 6, 2018 - McQ, Tom, Alex

  • Short call without any interesting topics


February 27, 2018 - Lars, Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex

  • JDT support for new Java releases
    • McQ: With current change rate and OpenJDK process we can not promise Zero day compatibility but rather release as soon as possible
    • Dani: effort to try convincing Oracle to tell the features a release earlier and get easier access to OpenJDK community
  • Dropping XP support
    • Dani: no objection to drop it, the question is whether to do it for Photon or delay it for next release
    • Mail to be posted to cross project by Dani to gather feedback
    • Alex: 1 week for gathering input on cross-project - AGREED
    • If noone speaks up with reasonable reason to keep support - preapproved by Dani, Lars and Alex
    • To be formally voted after the mail to cross-project
  • Release names
    • Version only, release names are irrelevant from Eclipse TLP side - AGREED
  • Inactive committers pruning
    • Lars: no access to committer emails so sending just to the mailing list
    • Wait 2 months for reply before action
    • McQ: ask foundation to send direct mails on behalf of the project, if foundation is not fine - remove committers directly
    • Alex: only public replies to the mailing list are accepted so people wanting to remain committers at least follow the mailing list
  • Tip of the day -
    • Lars: CQ approved, to be merged today/tomorrow
    • Alex: we should have it part of the build and part of the p2 repo for easy testing
    • Dani: unclear APIs to be removed and to be simplified so we don't end up maintaining useless parts
  • GTK 2 vs. 4
    • Alex: Gtk 4 release aiming at late 2018, it's big change in drawing so conflicts with Gtk 2 badly
    • Alex: Gtk 2 support to be removed in future one of the next 2 releases, whether Sep or Dec to be discussed later in the Photon release train
    • Alex: mail to cross project list around Photon M7 or RC when more information on both Gtk 4 release plans and SWT bugs will be known
    • McQ: what is our statement on supported Gtk version?
    • Alex: Statement should be: Once SWT switches to latest Gtk version as default, support for previous versions goes into deep maintenance mode but will kept until it starts hurting new development and support for the default version at which point to be removed.
    • To be discussed further.


February 20, 2018 - Lars, Dani, McQ, Tom

  • Dani: Update on 4.7 RC3
  • Lars: Can we drop Windows XP support?
    • Lars: Big contribution comes in (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=531097), dropping XP support might be a good motiviation to contribute more also to other people. Removing lots of code including the version checks will also result in a cleaner code base for maintenance and might improve performance.
    • Dani: IBM investigate if they officially drop XP
    • Tom: Do we need support XP with the latest Eclipse version?

--> Pending on the answer of the IBM team, will be discussed in next weeks call

  • Tom: OSGI CQs updated and approved for OSGi Service Platform 7.0 version


February 6, 2018 - Lars, Dani, McQ

  • Lars: Can we mark MInput and MInputPart for deletion (bug 509868)?
    • Dani: Before approving to mark them for deletion, someone has to investigate how much work needs to be done to do it. Both have over 50 references.
      • McQ agrees
  • Dani: Topic on ui-best-practices-working-group list: Replace "..." with an ellipses Unicode character
    • Looks good on Mac and is actually used by Mac OS, but less good on Windows. No info regarding Linux at this time
    • McQ:
      • Mac OS UI guidelines specify to use the ellipses character
      • SWT could do the right thing depending on the platform
  • Lars: view menu, minimize and maximize buttons look bad to him. Would like to replace the view menu with ellipses
    • Dani: Would have to change all three together. View menu is always there and not indicating an overflow
    • McQ: Windows 10 also uses a triangle, but upwards. Current view menu is used and familiar to users for at least more than 10 years.
    • Lars to file a bug report and send the bug number to the PMC
  • McQ: Should discuss in one of the next meetings how JDT can handle the new release cadence for Java
    • Dani: We will see how it goes with Java 11 (18.3)
  • Dani: How will we name the milestones in our new new release scheme?
    • Consensus to start with M1 after each release.
    • Up to planning council to decide the release naming convention. Lars: Would prefer year/month


January 30, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • General Updates (Dani)
    • Shipped M5, still working some p2 issues
    • RC1 for Neon.3 next week, may need API changes after the freeze for junit 5 support updates
    • Discussion about the incubation for Java. Ongoing thread in jdt-dev list https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/jdt-dev/msg00964.html. The incubation features will be part of the release specification which implies they need to be implemented to be compliant. Spend time putting them into a release only to pull out later if they don’t finalize. Not clear there are tests added to the TCK. Alex asks if this effects us for Java 10, no not for Java 10. Java 10 only has local type reference, not huge delta of function from Java 9. No incubation in Java 10. But incubation may affect us for Java 11.
  • Info about infrastructure (Alex)
    • Foundation push to move to Jenkins. Releng has moved, uncovered issues with rest API and token exchange … disabled for now for Jenkins. Issue is being worked but only can be fixed once all is moved to Jenkins.
    • Platform HIPP moving to Jenkins tomorrow. Will be some downtime, should be less than an hour or so. May cause several issue. Issues in non-standard jobs with multiple repos etc. For Gerrit verifications should be fine. Let Alex know if there are issues. Alex to send a note when the migration occurs.
    • p2 issue is real. Other issues are pressing (infrastucture/build). Todor has a bug that he should be looking at. Not something happening in the past, but now the capabilities are being resolved. Issues happened with a hand crafted p2.inf file. Hopefully will scope down the p2.inf files. Alex to drive to determine if a respin is needed.
    • Need to monitor the p2 issue, determine how many are broken. Cannot just break 100s of folks without serious consideration. Why not revert? Alex says it is not an option and we should do everything possible to fix.
    • Lars asks about nominating more committers, perhaps that were rejected in the past. Now the Eclipse PMC can overlook the nomination process. Work with existing contributors showing interest and look for opportunities to sponsor them for committership.
  • Tip of the day (Clippy)
    • See Tips Framework
    • Tip of the Day or (Clippy) in coming contribution … looking for integration M6?
    • Lars thinks it is worth it. Dani disables such things by default, and also Lars. Alex find the function interesting. Others are also reviewing the patch.
    • Lars is moving forward with it. If it is very easy to disable and is stable on all platforms then it should be good.
    • Is there a concern about a solution that requires network … it doesn’t appear to be a concern.


January 16, 2018 - Alex, Lars, Dani, Tom

  • Native builds at eclipse.org status (Lars):
    • Dani: swt is done for some time already
    • Dani: launchers after M5 is released to prevent breakage
  • GTK launcher changes (Alex):
    • Changes to not rely on X11 atoms but on dbus ready for review
    • Linux only as no other GTK platforms are currently built
  • Equinox CQs (Tom):
    • P2 capabilities patch from Todor and felix.scr update
    • Slow process risking M5
    • Alex: Ping Sharon asking for speedup if possible
  • Updates from Dani:
    • Photon plan update - BREE to be part of the build info
    • End game - Oxygen.3 and M5 - send to the list
    • Running tests against Java 9
  • Java 10 eclipse release (Dani):
    • Oxygen.3a or marketplace feature only - Agreement for oxygen.3a
    • Dani: Local Variable type inference support in a branch
    • Future releases - to be aligned with JVM releases if they prove to release on time
  • BREE updates recomendations
    • Dani: There are reasons to stay on older BREE
    • Alex: ease of getting jvm is the main concern here - if a contributor can't get jvm at that version easily we can't call it supported


Januar 09, 2018 - McQ, Alex, Lars, Dani

  • Updates from Dani:
    • Ian Skerrett is leaving the Eclipse foundation
    • Dani got nominated as committer representive
  • Planning council update
    • Dani: low participation in the last calls
    • Dani will talk with Melanie about it
    • Input required for the planning council for the API and feature freezes for the platform
  • API and feature freeze policy in platform
      • Alex: API and feature freeze in platform should be RC1, except breaking API which should be done in milestone build
      • everyone agrees to Alex suggestion-> agreed
  • Alex: SWT linux currently uses X-Windows specific API, which does not work on Wayland. This will be moved to a DBUS API to open file and open URL
  • Dani: Plan update, biggest change is for the component plan
    • Equinox plan has been added
    • Manual generated BREE list has been dropped from the plan. This list is still automatically generated for every I-Build
  • Launcher and natives build move from IBM to the foundation still in progress
    • (bug 528230) Build FileSystem native component on Eclipse Foundation Infra
    • (bug 528230) Build launcher on Eclipse Foundation Infra

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