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= Documents =
 
= Documents =
 
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
'''October 31, 2012''' - McQ, Andrew, John, Martin
 
* John: {{bug|393195}} '''Kepler Plan Updates''': Removed XP from Plan, Mac from 10.6 to 10.8 (Means Oracle Java)
 
** How to position GTK3 ?
 
* John: '''Committer Group Granularity''' - Google doc listing #active committers per group
 
* Martin: '''CVS readme.txt replacement''' - not yet implemented by Platform, create scripts if it's done
 
  
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
'''October 24, 2012''' - Dani, Andrew, Martin, McQ
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* Windows 8 and Eclipse : Seems to run fine so far - no requirements known so far for Metro
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** Use of space in Metro "Modern UI" looks similar to what Orion does ... maybe some potential there
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** Supporting "Modern UI" with SWT would require complete API rework (not just a skin)
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** Classic desktop apps look less shiny than on Win7
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
'''October 17, 2012''' - Canceled, not enough members available
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.
  
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
'''October 10, 2012''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
* {{bug|389175}} dual 3.x and 4.x stream releases - good discussion, good resolution by the Planning Council
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
* Can we do more frequent maintenance releases ? - PMC said no
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
* Orion Graduation Review - great video
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
* Dani: remove 'org.junit' version 3.8.2 from SDK - PMC says "yes"
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
  
  
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
'''October 3, 2012''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
* Debugging issues with Java Heap
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
* John: '''Commit Rights Granularity''' - avoid components at risk of being orphaned
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
** JDT still good. John going to look over components.
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
  
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
'''September 26, 2012''' - McQ, Martin, John, Andrew
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
* '''Members Meeting / 4.x Performance'''
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** Well received so far
** Are there any things that prevent commercial adoption ? - 4.x is the path forward and here's where we invest. Beyond that, 3.x is still around.
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
* Andrew: '''Papercuts Feedback''' - small problems that people run into ... will think about useful ways in which Community can contribute small things
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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* ECF relation
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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= Archive =
'''September 19, 2012''' - McQ, Martin, John, Andrew, Dani
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* Martin: Juno patch feature for {{bug|381407}} and {{bug|383890}} ?
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** This got fixed by a re-spin of RC4
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* McQ: '''4.x Performance''', and Platform committers
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** Team is working on issues... like [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2012/09/17/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish/ Jochen Krause's blog]
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** LTS going to improve things
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
'''September 12, 2012''' - Andrew, Dani, John, Martin
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
* John: '''CBI Build''' - good progress with Thanh from EMO visiting Platform Team's offices this week
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
** Focus on Juno Stream because LTS builds need to get done
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
** Can produce an SDK but cannot produce many of the other artifacts (That's good enough for LTS which only needs a p2 repo)
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
** Can claim readiness only when binary bits are the same (p2 comparator tool from Olivier - which does byte code level compare of class files, and binary comparison of other files)
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
* John: '''4.x Performance''' - Several people on the team actively looking at issues, some problems identified, some not yet reproduced
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
** Some work started on re-enabling Performance tests
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
** start running on virtual machines to see whether dedicated machines are needed or not
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
** How to improve the process integrating people / resources / donations from companies (EMO pushes towards more contributions)
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
*** Need more committers for longer term, not only short-term patch contributors
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* Andrew: '''FOSDEM''' Europe (Brussels) coming up - Ian Skerret going to reserve a room, asking for people to join, good conference, lots of cross-pollination
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'''September 5, 2012''' - Andrew, Dani, Martin
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* Martin: '''Windows 8''' testing ? - Filed {{bug|388560}} to get "Windows 8" added to bugzilla
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** Dani: Initial testing by SWT team didn't reveal anything; Dani in favor of getting W8 deployed on Hudson once it is out officially
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** Should consider adding to the Kepler plan; consider backports to Juno SR for issues found
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* Martin: '''3.8 vs 4.2''' - posting on [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg08123.html cross-project list]
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** Need to look at stack traces in detail eg {{bug|385272}}. Watch how that E-Mail thread evolves.
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* Dani: '''Go/No-Go''' decision process for RC's - to be discussed in the Arch call
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'''August 29, 2012:''' - John, Dani, Martin
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* John: Bugzilla's new auto-duplicate-find ... Dani likes it but moved suggestions somewhere else with Greasemonkey to avoid interfering with typing
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* Tom Watson: Big changes coming in Equinox for Java modularity - thought about Kepler but will wait for another year in a branch
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** Java 8 also won't be in Kepler ... so will likely be kind of a Maintenance Release
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* Dani: [[Version Numbering]] document is a bit unclear about upreving from a n.n.2
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** RESOLUTION: desire is clarifying the next is n.n.100
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* Dani: '''Delete files from CVS projects''' and add a README ?
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** Yes if it can be done in an automated way .. to avoid confusion about outdated sources
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*** eg README points to a Wiki page
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*** John: Keep the .project in place such that jumping from version to version doesn't break a workspace
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*** Martin: Acceptance criterion that importing from scmurl in MANIFEST.MF still works (when choosing the tag ... choosing HEAD should bring up the README)
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* John: '''Plan Update upcoming'''
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'''August 15, 2012:''' - John, Dani, Andrew
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* Do we support removal of bugzilla CLOSED state? Resolved: yes we do
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* Discussion of long term release plans beyond Kepler
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'''August 8, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* Dani: News from Jeff
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* McQ vacation from August 13 to August 31
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'''July 25, 2012:'''
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* '''CBI Build'''
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** For SR1, the build can produce what the Release Train needs ... but not all the extra validation
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** Need to run both builds for now ... until the CBI team's bytecode verifier produces the same output
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** CBI team continues to look at the list of diffs and improve their builder
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** Platform team would be OK dropping the legacy build once the bytecode validator has no diffs
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** Platform team can't commit more resources to CBI now (Paul Webster already heavily involved)
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* '''Losing Commits on the Orion git repo'''
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** Dozen commits or so
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** Might be a defect in the Orion git tools, but the server side should prevent that !!!
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** DenyNonFastForward should have protected ... need an extra layer of protection ?
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'''June 27, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
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* Eclipse Demo Camps - none in Ottawa
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* Going to skip the arch calls for all of July - leave the PMC slot in place.
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* Should keep an eye on the Community feedback for Eclipse 4
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'''June 13, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
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* Discussed the ECF rebuild request ({{bug|382206}}). Arguments in favor: it is a safe change, it reverts the situation to where it was in RC3 and earlier. Arguments against summarized in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=382206#c20.
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* We will need to tag the release but we can wait until we are officially done (week of June 25th).
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'''June 6, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John, Andrew
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* Discussion of how to handle test failures for final build. Most of the remaining failures are infrastructure issues related to our move to Hudson for tests. We will document the failures through bugs, and include a note on the build results page for the final build explaining the failures
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* Discussion of whether we need a 3.9 release. Unanimous conclusion was that we do not see a need for it. Reducing to one stream will greatly reduce our development overhead and encourage consolidation around the single stream.
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* Discussion of how to handle the disappearance of org.eclipse.equinox.concurrent from our RC3 builds. This was never deliberately included in the platform, but was present due to a greedy optional dependency from ECF. By very close 3/2 decision PMC decided to leave it alone and document the disappearance in porting guide, readme file, release review material, and cross-project list.
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'''May 23, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin
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* McQ: '''CBI / Tycho builder''': Paul Webster driving Platform efforts (AI Martin notify about {{bug|359719}})
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* Martin: {{bug|380984}} ant / Orbit respin? - Unclear for now
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* McQ: Finally figured out some long-standing bug eg "Variables view sometimes empty"
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** Dani: It's 2 issues: First-time switch to Perspective deferred to 4.2.1, but {{bug|379818}} is finally fixed
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** The actual underlying defect had been in there for years
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'''May 16, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
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* Dani: '''Version Number''' in branding features gets auto-generated and 3.8 version is now higher than 4.2 (since 3.8 build runs after 3.8)
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** John thinks it's not a big deal
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* John: '''CBI Patches''' - CBI has lots of patches downstream in their POM's ... RC2 is the last chance getting that in
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** Auto-generating the POM.XML would be nice but that's not how things work today
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'''May 9, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani
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* John: Classic update can still be enabled via capabilities - should we remove it?
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** Dani: in general "yes", but too late now
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** McQ: too late, but make sure we do it for Kepler
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'''May 2, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
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* John: '''Forking of SWT''' 3.8 and 4.2 are now separate Streams with CTabFolder implementation being the only difference
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* Dani: '''Icons''' (not discussed)
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'''April 18, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
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* Martin: [[E4/Scripting]] initiative
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** McQ thinks the E4 Application Model should be exposed as a DOM to scripting .. anything other than utilizing the e4 DOM for hiding a view feels wrong
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*** Martin: Approach is very pragmatic - don't see anybody investing into new Frameworks at this point but converging on what already exists
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*** If this goes towards macro recording, the recorder should utilize the e4 app model
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** Signing up on the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse-scripting-dev eclipse-scripting-dev] mailing list will keep people in the loop (expect low volume)
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* Dani: '''API Approval Process''' Approval on Bug plus sent to eclipse-pmc list (like last year)
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* John: '''PDE Committers''' - perception of not being open
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** McQ would like to see a plan item for next year "actively promote more committers from outside"
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* Martin: [[Asterisk]] - will need a dialin for Dani in Switzerland; '''AI Dani''' forward his dialin to Martin for the time being
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'''April 11, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew, John
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* Martin: '''LTS vs Quality/Fixes in Current Stream''' - Like John's reply making the link between the two
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* McQ/John: '''Builds''' - Moving forward
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* McQ: '''CBI Builds''' - Platform not going to take any ownership but will be a consumer like others - still shooting for Juno SR1
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* Andrew: '''4.2 Builds in Fedora 17''' - Testing now
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* McQ: '''IBM Ottawa Team moving to new building''' - expect delays during next couple days
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'''April 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* Dani: '''VM Requirements''' - Help no longer works on Java 5, this surprised some people... but Project Plan talks about a Java 6 req now
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** Martin suggestion: on the "Required JVM" table in the Project Plan, add a 2nd column with closure of BREE including all pre-reqs (continue having 1st column the BREE of the bundle itself auto-generated)
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* Dani: '''Jeff still mentioned as PMC member'''
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** '''AI Dani''' send E-Mail
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* Martin: '''Concern about Platform Quality''' - eg SWT Redraws on 3.7.x - Old-time committers moving away
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** McQ: Platform team's focus will continue being maintenance, and new Platform support ... team's capacity is going down, but SWT is not affected mosted
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** Martin: Code contributions are easy, hi-quality triage and review are harder
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** Martin: Re-think the idea of having committers paid by the Foundation and Member Companies paying their share
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*** Example: Why would Pascal review p2 in his sparetime ... but if he gets paid per bug his experience can be extremely valuable
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*** Be more creative on resourcing side
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** McQ: In favor of putting more structure in place similar to LTS ("hire people for fixes") ... just continue with LTS ?
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*** IBM will have a need for fixes for at least another 8 years .. but that's a very self-serving focus
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** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' send E-Mail to Mike to keep the ball rolling
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* Dani: {{bug|375292}} '''Reference to Marketplace in the SDK'''
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** Martin: "Classic" is a Building Block but "Packages" are for end users
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** McQ: The purity of the SDK in itself isn't relevant
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*** Martin: Why not just create a new package "Classic" which is at +3 and pulls in egit + marketplace ... the process for building is all in place, may just need a package reviewer
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''AI Martin''' mail Markus
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'''March 21, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Andrew, Martin
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* McQ '''Oracle Java on Mac'''
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* Dani '''denyNonFastForward'''
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* McQ '''JDT Team might see some losses'''
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* Andrew '''Running OpenJDK tests now on ARM''' :)
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'''March 14, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, John
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* Losing Eclipse project release engineer next week
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* David Williams is stepping in to help with our builds until Juno
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* Most immediate issue is that our build needs elevated privileges to tag, sign, and promote builds
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** kmoir was the only committer with sufficient privileges
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** We either need to give another committer sufficient rights, or give build user access it needs
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** Could use hooks to ensure build user isn't doing anything other than tagging
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** All agreed the build user approach was the best option. John to open bug against foundation to carry it out
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'''March 7, 2012:''' - McQ, Andrew, Martin, John
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* John: '''API Deletions''' {{bug|370248}} - PMC agrees.
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* McQ: '''Common Build Infrastructure at the Foundation'''
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** Shipping Platform Juno bits built by PDE ... but Foundation wants EPP packages built by Tycho; Platform can't support this
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*** Reason might be that 4.2 is planned to be the start of LTS and VLTS .. ok for now if LTS bits are different since not publicly available
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*** Plus, LTS really starts after Juno SR2 ... Platform might be in a better position for Tycho by then
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*** In Linux, Fedora also builds by themselves ... but assumption is that people come to Fedora support first
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** Martin, Andrew really concerned about fragmentation and duplication of effort ... eg what if the qualifiers don't match
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** Should be treated as proof of concept but not publicly available until Juno SR2, in order to avoid fragmentation !
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'''February 29, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
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* John: Orion team received a box full of '''Black Ducks''' to honour their Black Duck Rookie of the Year award
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* Dani: '''Gerrit Move'''
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** John: Important information needs to stay in Bugzilla ... don't pull from outside git exclusively
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* Andrew: '''Platform Defect Contest'''
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** McQ concern: Lots of duplicate bugs would take focus away from the team
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** Martin: Could encourage triage as part of the contest, and only count good/new bugs
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** John: Some low-hanging fruit bugs in Platform UI but not necessarily in 4.x ("helpwanted")
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** John: Re-introduce the "greatbug" keyword ?
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*** A greatbug is relevant, new, good description that helps understanding/finding the issue; ideally with a patch.
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*** Resolution: '''AI John''' send note to Mike
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* John: '''PDE API Moved'''
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** Some internal, provisional API was migrated to full API in this release
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** Someone from SAP (Dimitar Giormov) Asked adding back the provisional API such that they could support 2 versions of Eclipse with one codebase
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** McQ: Would have helped them 4 years ago .. but at the moment don't have enough people
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*** McQ: Question how pervasive their use of the old API is ... how much Reflection would they need to put int
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*** One resolution could be OK but only if they provide all the patches
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** This kind of duplication is error prone and adds a maintenance burden on the project
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'''February 22, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John, Andrew
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* Repeat of PDE build discussion from last week. We decided to nominate John Arthorne as a committer so we at least have someone to accept community patches. We will revisit after Juno and perhaps do a larger restructuring
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* Communication with eGit: We have written some patches for eGit that have been growing stale. Dani will review the patches, and then send an email to eGit lead asking if there is a particular reason for not accepting them. If there is no problem with the patches we will track down an eGit committer to release them.
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* Andrew asked about process for approving CQs:
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** Any PMC member can feel free to approve CQs
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** New versions of existing third party libraries are a no-brainer, typically just +1 right away
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** For new third party libraries we may need a PMC discussion about why the library is needed, what feature it will live in, etc
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** For code contributions just make sure the legal process has been followed and then +1. We generally trust the judgement of the committer who will process the contribution.
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'''February 15, 2012:''' - Dani, McQ, John
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* Some discussion of what to do with PDE Build, which lacks committers. PDE as a whole has barely enough committers to be a functioning project, so maybe we should be looking at a larger restructuring after
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Juno rather than one piece at a time. We lacked quorum to make a decision so we will defer discussion to another week.
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'''February 8, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, McQ
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* Andrew: Eclipse stand at '''FOSDEM in Brussles'''
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** Lots of people just dropped by to say hi and thanks
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** Mike Milinkovich was showing off Orion; Gunnar and Andrew did others (Web, EclipseRT, C/C++)
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* McQ: '''4.2 Quality''' ... current list of defects looks manageable to tick all off .. any messaging we want to do ?
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'''February 1, 2012:''' - Dani, Martin, John
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* Dani: '''No UA Committers any more''' - move UA under Platform UI such that at least somebody can apply patches
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** AI John check with Wayne ... UA is a subcomponent now, may not even need a move review.
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* Dani: {{bug|343150}} git '''DenyNonFastForward'''
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** Orion could eventually add tooling to support easy workflows in spite of deny on the repo ... but not in this release
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** Ping on the bug again and proceed
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* John: Decide when to switch 4.2 builds from re-using 3.x binary bundles vs full 4.x builds
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** Today, the 4.x testsuite just tests 4.x specific stuff; things like JDT tests just run against 3.8 today
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** Today, cannot generate Javadocs in 4.x today sine it needs the full source
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** Today, nightlies are running 3.x only (could change to running 4.x nightlies only)
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** Today, 3.x builds run at IBM and 4.x builds run at Eclipse.org
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** Only few test failures left in the 4.x builds --&gt; ready to switch
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** AI: '''Kim''' to send 4.x test results to the mailing list, consider switching right after M5
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** '''Performance Tests:''' Not yet run on 4.x yet - should be able to run on Denis' vserver
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*** IBM is going to lose the physical machines for performance tests in 2 weeks ! (Going to migrate to vserver too!)
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*** Need a new baseline
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** Andrew: at '''FOSSLC''' in Brussels this week, going to represent Eclipse with Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and others
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* '''Gerrit''': Platform won't jump in as an early adopter this time, wait for other projects first
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** Not all Platform Unittests can run on Hudson today (need at least some fingerprint tests to get value from Gerrit)
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'''January 25, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
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* McQ: '''Note about 4.2 on Release Train'''
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* Andrew: '''Eclipse 4.2 for Fedora''' - Feature note written for Eclipse Juno led to some discussion at Eng.Steering Committee, but finally approved
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* Dani: Team down by 1 but no impact (Dani is going to take over responsibilities)
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* John: '''Build Failures in UA, Update, PDE, p2 yesterday''' after the move to Java 7... nobody watching these, need to find caretakers
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** UA tests often fail due to a link validity checker, these can be caused by anyone
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** Certificate Validity issue (Jar signing)
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'''January 18, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew, Dani
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* McQ: '''4.2 quality''' and next steps
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** More resources found to enable 4.2 as the LTS base - encouraging, although some items still missing
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** Fedora 17 think about shipping 4.2m6 (work ongoing) - that would be a large stack on top of 4.2
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** John: '''Oracle Java 7 as Reference Platform''' now that the most severe issues are fixed (Java 6 EOL is June 2012 !) - that is Oracle, not OpenJDK
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*** Not remove Java 6 for now
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*** Fedora also does all tests on 7
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'''January 11, 2012:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* McQ: '''State of Presentation API's'''
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** Different API's in 4.2 and 3.x -- will need to deprecate API in 3.x
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** Christian suggested deleting API that's not implemented in 4.x to get compile errors ... John thinks that binary compatibility is more important
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*** Plugins will be "mostly OK", presentation API is cosmetic anyways
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** McQ: get in touch with clients who use presentation API, telling them what's best to do ... often newer 4.x infrastructure is much better than trying to keep 3.x around forever
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* Andrew: '''Cairo and GTK3'''
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* John: '''4.2 compiling now'''
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* Martin: '''Updated JSch-0.1.44 version''' - how to announce properly
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** AI Martin Announce on eclipse-dev and cross-project
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** Should also put into migrtion notes and README
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'''January 4, 2012:''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* McQ: Pascal's note about p2 leadership .. not sure who could step in and make a commitment (may see the same fate as UA)
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** Tom Watson looking for candidates, but looks like none in McQ's team
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

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Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

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