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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
  
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'''May 4, 2011:''' - Jeff, Dani, Martin, McQ, John
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
  
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* Investigating an SWT blocker preventing checkbox tables from working
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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* Ant mail task issue: document it
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* Git migration:
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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** Kim and DJ are investigating migration of the build to Git. Making progress but don't have a full build working yet
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.  
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** We should consider summer 2011 for migration. For those teams with forked code between 3.x/4.x, they are finding it difficult to keep fixes in sync and potentially git can help with that.
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''April 27, 2011:''' - Jeff, Dani, Martin, McQ, John
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* Dani '''still 100 bugs tagged 3.7''' - need to remind in the archcall to properly tag target milestones
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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* John '''EDL for Examples'''
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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** Value of examples is they're there to be used - there's no business value in holding on to IP via Copyright so EDL seems right
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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** Re-licensing existing examples is difficult (eg SWT examples); but new examples should go under EDL
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
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** Including examples in distributed features must take care of fixing abouts
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* John '''3.7 plan final update''': all plan items committed or deferred; update to RH6
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'''April 20, 2011:''' - Jeff, Dani, Martin, McQ, John
 
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* Jeff,Martin '''Builds at Eclipse''' - Work ongoing. IBM Mac has been donated. Mac testing has problems with some weird vnc bug
 
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** Martin - could kick a 3.6.2+ build and artifacts OK, but confused by lots of warning messages. Kim responded immediately, but can this be made "more official" ?
 
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** Public Builds - get the engineering underpinnings in place, then polish afterwards
 
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** Won't get a lot better in 3.7 but could make it a plan item for 3.8
 
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** John agrees that improving the warning messages to be more informative is a good thing - Kim's very helpful
 
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* Dani '''Polish Bug to be prioritized''': {{bug|342648}} In SWT on Linux, RTL mode, Tree.getItem(Point) gives invalid result.
 
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** Regression ?
 
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** McQ: Every GTK version needs work - maybe it's specific to a new GTK; might be more than a P2
 
  
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''April 13, 2011:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani, Jeff
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* John: reminder to review proposed project charter update
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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* Freeze plan for Indigo is ready
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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* Reviewed new polish items
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
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* Investigating some 4.1 compatibility problems, possibly related to EMF changes
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'''March 30, 2011:''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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* Discussed and clarified the API approval guidelines. Will be announced in the arch call.
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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* Dani - Java 7 deferred from 3.7. GA planned together with 3.7.1.
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** Well received so far
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** John: is feature work which might need review
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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* John - we need to prepare the Git migration
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** John to ask DJ to do investigations
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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* ECF relation
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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'''March 23, 2011:''' - McQ, Dani
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= Archive =
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* Prioritized the [[Polish3.7]] list. This is a recurring task for the next few weeks.
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* Discussed and agreed on API change approval process, see [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg01368.html PMC mailing list note].
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'''March 9, 2011:''' - John, McQ
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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* Ongoing discussion of direction for 2012 release train. Will continue discussion in email to ensure all PMC members are involved.
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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'''March 2, 2011:'''
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* McQ - Migrating to 4.x. Don't be disruptive when there is no need to. Want to avoid migration pain.
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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** New feature work will be in 4.x, but as long as there are committers working on 3.x it will stay alive
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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** Make sure that quality keeps up: Releng / Build, make long-term committers continue reviewing contributions
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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** Problem with 4.x is just the bugs (impeding productivity), it's not anything architectural
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
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** '''Convene again next week and come up with a consistent message''', AI McQ get hold of Jeff for a statement
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
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* John - '''3.6.2+ builds''' set up on Hudson now
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** Kim's {{bug|338557}} Job's mostly ready, Martin is the first tester. Should inform the Community once things go smoothly
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** Updating version numbers like going to a virtual never-existing "3.6.3" release in order to give a clear and consistent message
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** Dani has an (internal) document - Martin: interested for TM and CDT projects - '''AI Dani''' send Doc to Martin for for meeting notes
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** Always updating the micro by one only ... so if bundle was not updated in Helios SR1 or SR2, it should go .1 in 3.6.2+
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'''February 23, 2011:'''
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* Martin - '''3.6.2+ M-Builds post 3.6.2''' - needed for adopters to get 3.6.2+ bundles signed; on demand only? If scheduled, how often?
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'''February 16, 2011:'''
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'''February 9, 2011:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
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* Dani - '''Builder bug''':  Theoretically, the builder bug can cause bad binaries shipped from Eclipse.org
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** But switching the builder now could have other consequences. Most people likely use the 3.6.0 or 3.6.1 builder
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** Platform uses the 3.6.1 builder. Bug appeared in 3.6.0
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** McQ thinks we should recommend using the new builder - John: can never know whether a problematic code construct is there or not
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** Provide a patched version of the 3.6.1 basebuilder as an option for people to use - '''AI John''' ask Kim to re-produce a new basebuilder, then respin RC4
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* McQ - '''Builds at Eclipse.org'''
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** IBM Ottawa consolidating 7 offices into 2, plan to not have a build lab
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** Kim still frustrated with Foundation facilities; McQ talked to people both inside IBM and the Foundation
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'''February 2, 2011:''' - Canceled (no topics)
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'''January 26, 2011:''' - Dani, John, Martin,
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* Dani: {{bug|330534}} '''ObjectTeams Contribution''' - JDT might allow using their namespace as an exception, couple p2 bugs pending
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** If the p2 solution cannot be done, OT/J will need to remain off the train
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* Martin: Concerned about '''Eclipse 3.x quality''', many regressions and not being addressed
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** {{bug|320329}} ThreadJob#waitForRun can spin when blockingJob is not RUNNING
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*** '''Platform Runtime: Regression''' introduced in 3.6, can have severe Performance impact, reported 10-Jul, commenters unsure about approach to fix
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*** A buggy contribution was accepted, and then the contributor left
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*** John spent a lot of time.. there was a fix that didn't work
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*** Dani: Could the contribution be pulled out? - No because it's new API (yield())
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*** Contributor was quite good originally but then just switched teams and was no longer available
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*** The new testcase from Markus Schorn might help narrowing down the case quickly
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** {{bug|335153}} Regression: p2 downloads are much slower due to picking remote artifacts even when a local file: URL is available
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*** '''p2: Regression''' introduced in 3.6, reported 24-Jan, testcase + patch attached, response pending
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** {{bug|332840}} Wrong error about API change (Regression; works with 3.7M3)
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*** '''API Tooling: Regression''' introduced in 3.7M4, reported 17-Dec, Olivier:  "I'll take a look" but no response since
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** {{bug|332838}} Bogus potential null pointer access warning (regression; works with 3.6)
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*** '''JDT: Regression''' introduced in 3.7M4, reported 17-Dec, Ayushman: "I'll investigate" but no response since
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** {{bug|332507}} [regression] incomplete build path reported on o.e.rse.subsystem.shells.local
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*** '''PDE UI: Regression''' introduced in 3.7M4, reported 14-Dec, initial traffic but no followup since 16-Dec
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** {{bug|335466}} Regression: category.xml processing fails when "name" contains special chars
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*** Just detected recently
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** {{bug|313899}} [Progress] Every user-job causes a busy cursor to be shown for a minimum of 250ms
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*** '''Platform UI''': Patch provided on 21-May, no response whatsoever from Platform UI
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** John: There had been a fair bit of turnover, new committers getting up to speed ... having less experienced people is a fact
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*** Identifying key bugs in the big bug database takes a lot of experience
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** Dani: M5 is the Major feature freeze, so new feature / API work has highest priority ... so quality drop is somewhat expected in M5
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** Even for regressions... if the regression is less critical than new bugs, it goes behind
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** '''RESOLUTION:''' Make the important bugs visible to the component leads or PMC. It's natural that we sometimes need to ping on a bug. M5 is a problematic time.
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* John: {{bug|335374}} '''Redhat 6 as a Reference Platform'''
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** SWT team doing some final testing, then will put only RH6 on the Ref Platform list
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* John: '''OpenJDK as a Reference Platform''' - Oracle is interested and might contribute testing
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''' January 19, 2011:''' - McQ, John, Jeff, Dani, Martin
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* Jeff will be unavailable for meeting next 6-7 weeks
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* John: How do we interpret "under the direction of the PMC" in [http://www.eclipse.org/legal/EclipseLegalProcessPoster.pdf Eclipse legal process]?
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** McQ: Not about approval, but about PMC being aware
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** Jeff: Goal is to indicate "Working with an Eclipse mindset", ie in close collaboration with a committer ... contributor must be aware of IP due diligence guidelines from the beginning of evolution of the code. We want to avoid introducing IP leaks by accepting legacy code that was written before assuming an Eclipse mindset.
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** McQ: This is about understanding the direction of Eclipse as a whole. Request a PMC +1 on the bug as work is being started. PMC should work with committer to ensure that contributor has been instructed about IP rules.
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''' January 12, 2011:''' -
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''' January 5, 2011:''' - McQ, John, Dani, Jeff, Martin
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* Dani: Component Lead progress? - Portal still doesn't have the correct list of components
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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