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= Documents =
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Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:
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* [[E4/Graduation_4.0]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Unix Groups]]
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
  
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'''Mar 18:''' - McQ, Steve, Martin
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
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* no arch next week due to EclipseCon
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* McQ found a performance test that is 8000% slower
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* teams are overwhelmed (but remind them to check performance tests)
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* Martin reminded us about use of parallel IP process:
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**  need to identify uses on the download links
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** EMO has not developed the policy yet
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** McQ: "Q: Should we just not use the mechanism?"
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** Result: Discuss at architecture council meeting,
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*** Example issues: can't put it in for I-build and remove for M-build
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</hr>
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'''Mar 11:''' - McQ, Steve, Jeff, Martin
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* Martin - '''{{bug|227055}} and late API additions'''
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** McQ: after m6 is too late if it has any downstream impact (changing behavior, deleting things, ...). Plain API additions may slip a week.
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** Steve: If new API has effect on performance and polish, may look more favorably.
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** If going in after M6, it needs to go through the process (e-mail and public discussion on eclipse-pmc list).
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** Strict API Tooling checks to be enabled next week
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* McQ - '''state of M6'''; some late UI things to review
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** Some low-risk polish Cocoa items for Eclipsecon (enablers)
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** Still changes in p2 (after m6), but stabilizing
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* Martin/Jeff - '''New Target Platform Page''' may require more tweaking - risk of breaking community workflows!
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** E.g. adding a directory to the target platform; Jeff uses target platforms a lot, so he's likely more exposed than most of the Community... 10 to 15 locations with hundreds of bundles...
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** Related to the {{bug|224145}} p2 "extension location" problem which broke user workflows. Don't want to have such breakage again.
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* Jeff - '''Status on Galileo Must do's''' - deferred to next week
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* McQ - '''p2 OSGi OBR Repositories'''
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** Jeff: OSGi wants to foster bundle store / bundle repositories, and specify a repository standard (long-standing RFE112 never been ratified)
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** Similar to p2, but does have some potential issues
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** Ideally, Equinox would be the reference impl of whatever standard comes up... but got a staffing problem, how to get the solution standardized that we need.
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*** Writing a p2 OBR repository adapter is not hard, but OBR repos won't be able to eat p2 metadata
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** p2 doesn't care about XML format whereas OBR specifies the XML. p2 got more sophisticated API model. Jeff doesn't have access to the latest spec.
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* Steve wants Eclipsecon demos to be done on '''Cocoa''', will expedite any bugfixes (please do file them!). Jeff needs browser integration.
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'''Mar 4:''' - McQ, Steve, Jeff, Philippe, Martin
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* Upgrade 3.4 -> 3.5
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** Will we be able to support this in p2?
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*** Nope, needed hooks already in previous release (ie. needed them in 3.4 to be used by 3.5)
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** Problems include replacing the Eclipse .exe
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** Is this an important use case?  There is no band width to solve this problem in 3.5
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** it's a good showcase for p2 technology
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** idea: put in the low level hooks for 3.5.1 and use them next time (ie. 3.5 -> 3.6)
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** Did Update Manager ever do this?
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*** Jeff: It does not
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* Deprecating Mac carbon?
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** Apple claims Cocoa is the future
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** 3.5 will be the last version of Eclipse where Carbon is under active development
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*** But will maintain for 3.6 and 3.7
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** Q: Has Apple officially deprecated carbon?
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*** No but they have down played it (ie. no 64-bit support for carbon)
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** Should there be an official deprecation policy for platforms?
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'''Feb 25:''' - McQ, Steve, Martin, Philippe
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* AC "committers should know" mail
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** '''Following external links''' McQ why not introduce some Javascript on the server that warns users automatically when they follow an external link?
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** Components to projects flattening (not on our plate at the time)
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* Steve Target milestones for Eclipse project
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* BZ patches to be flagged when they contain API
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* '''N-builds broken''' over the weekend (again) - 3 weekends in a row - no people currently who are willing to work during the weekend
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** Hudson might help eventually, for now using e4 builds as the guinea pig
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* '''UI Forms has no committers''' - opportunity for Community to become committer
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** migrate off (using internal browser instead)
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** no critical bugs, less than 125 interesting bugs
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** long-term future is e4 with css/styling and declarative ui
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* '''Performance:''' No news (not yet while closing down API)
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** Philippe thinks that the performance milestone must be earlier since performance might touch on API. We're losing memory because rebasing
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** McQ - this cycle we had a performance run in M2, this year we're in a better position than last year
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'''Feb 18:''' -  no meeting
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'''Feb 11:'''
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'''Feb 4:'''
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.
  
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'''Jan 28:'''
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
  
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* Java 6
 
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** move reference platform to Sun 6u11
 
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*** problem(?): Sun added 3 new items added that are licensed LGPL or GPL
 
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] Martin added comment to {{bug|261724}} to identify this issue
 
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* ICU 4.0
 
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** we will stay with 4.0
 
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* Deprecation Policy
 
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** still under discussion, {{bug|261544}}
 
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* Use of internal provisional
 
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** seems to be some consensus about *not* requiring this, {{bug|261874}}
 
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* JDT co-leadership
 
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** what is the process?
 
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*** Jeff: vote in community; then propose to the PMC
 
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*** Would like to get Dani Meghert involved.
 
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*** Philippe will check development process documents
 
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* Cocoa port
 
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** Looking good
 
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** Taking early access off and making it the "first" choice for Mac downloads
 
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* Milestone progress / 3.4.2
 
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** Need to discuss M5 in arch call (should have done this last week)
 
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** Should always remind the team in the arch call of upcoming deadlines
 
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** Performance issues that need API to fix have to happen by M6
 
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*** Teams should understand performance results (will be discussed in a couple of weeks)
 
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* Re: Reference Platforms
 
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** Java6 on Solaris
 
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*** Martin's company would like to support this
 
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] filed {{bug|262907}} to discuss process and practices around reference platforms
 
  
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'''Jan 21:'''
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
  
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* How should we track meeting minutes topic - Wiki
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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* Provisional API conventions - Jeff working on {{bug|261874}} for discussion at the AC
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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** should there be a tag in the Javadoc (ie. "experimental")?
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** Well received so far
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** Jeff wants to keep the concerns "conventions" vs "Javadoc" separate
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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** Jeff, "... Javadoc should not be generated for provisional ..."
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Martin disagrees, "... need feedback and discussion for new API ..."
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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* What is the '''role of the PMC lead?'''
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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** global view of components/processes
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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** organize architecture call, ensure we are on track
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* ECF relation
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** spark conversations (ie. M5 is feature freeze)
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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* '''Reference platforms'''
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** we should choose JDK1.6, "update 11" rather than "update 4"
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** around "RC time", solidify the reference platform (it is the one we are testing on)
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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= Archive =
  
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* PMC component ownership x bugzilla pmc authorization
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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This page was last modified 10:39, 28 September 2022 by Lars Vogel. Based on work by Alexander Kurtakov, Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran and McQ and others.

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